EP 10 Rigged & Ruled! I African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News, host Adesoji Iginla leads a discussion featuring guests Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq., which delves into the complex themes of Africa's representation in Western media, the racial dynamics in the U.S., and the political landscape in Uganda, with particular focus on Bobby Wine's opposition to the Museveni regime. 

The discussion also touches on international relations, colonial legacies, and the implications of Trump's comments on global politics. Activism and the importance of resistance in the face of systemic issues are emphasised throughout the dialogue. 

Continuing the conversation, the speakers discuss themes of global politics, colonial injustices, and the impact of football on African identity. They explore the lessons learned from international relations, the hypocrisy of justice systems, and the importance of remembering historical resistance movements. 

The conversation also highlights the role of corporations in perpetuating colonial exploitation and calls for a reevaluation of African football's structure and its cultural significance. on the desperation felt by many Africans, leading them to consider foreign intervention as a solution to their problems, despite the historical context of exploitation and oppression.

Takeaways

*The portrayal of Africa in Western media often lacks nuance.
*Racial dynamics in the U.S. are complex and multifaceted.
*The media plays a crucial role in shaping political narratives.
*Bobby Wine represents a significant opposition force in Uganda.
*International relations are often influenced by colonial legacies.
*Trump's comments reflect a broader trend in global politics.
*Activism is essential for social change and resistance.
*The youth in Africa are pivotal in driving political change.
*Understanding history is crucial for addressing current issues.
*Solidarity among marginalised groups is vital for resistance. 
*Standing up together can lead to significant accomplishments in global politics.
*Colonial injustices continue to affect nations like the Chagos Islands and Greenland.
*The hypocrisy of international justice is evident in the treatment of different nations.
*Commemorating resistance movements is crucial for understanding colonial history.
*The narratives of those who resisted colonial rule are often missing from mainstream discussions.
*Corporations play a significant role in the exploitation of African resources.
*The future of African football requires a reevaluation of its structure and purpose.
*African nations must harness their talent for their own benefit, not just for foreign interests.
*The importance of self-determination and justice for all oppressed peoples is paramount.
*Cultural identity is deeply intertwined with sports and resistance against colonial narratives.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to African News Review
02:37 Weather and Local News Updates
05:12 Brutality and Systemic Issues in America
08:09 The Nature of Resistance and Revolutions
11:03 The Ugandan Political Landscape
13:34 Media Representation and Election Integrity
16:19 The Role of International Politics
18:59 The Impact of Dictatorship on Society
21:59 Conclusion and Call to Action
30:01 Activism Against Corporate Exploitation
37:00 The Role of Power in Global Politics
43:38 Historical Context of Colonial Resistance
52:46 The Legacy of Colonialism in Modern Times
59:43 Colonial Resistance and Historical Memory
01:06:15 The Legacy of Colonial Violence
01:09:30 The Future of African Football
01:29:12 Empowerment Through Knowledge and Community

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:02.001)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review. And yes, we have another conversation around Africa's depiction in the Western media. And my name is Adesuji Ginla, joined as always as the queen of the house.

Milton Allimadi (00:25.518)
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Adesoji Iginla (00:26.579)
Aya Fibera Enelie Squire, is author of Kwanzaa Is Celebration, host Rethinking Freedom, 98.5 FM, co-host Women and Resistance. The gentleman would need no introduction but we shall accord him his dues. He is none other than Comrade Milton Maddy. He is the host of Black Star News, WBAI 99.5 FM.

offer of the book Manufacturing Hate, which inspired this program. And so both of you, welcome, welcome, welcome.

Milton Allimadi (01:05.103)
and Santa.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07.699)
So as is usual, news from where you are at, please. We know the snow is there, but there was still news. Who wants to go first? Ladies first. Yes, that's true.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:18.866)
No, we'll start with brother. We've missed him.

Milton Allimadi (01:23.01)
So I think what you've been hearing is about the weather, first of all. so DC is blanketed right now in snow. I went out for a little bit. My phone actually kind of froze. I was worried because I used my hotspots. I was worried whether I would be able to even participate on today's show. So that is the domestic, right local news. But obviously, of course, the national news is what we are seeing in Minnesota.

Adesoji Iginla (01:26.929)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:37.943)
Hm.

Milton Allimadi (01:52.686)
with the execution, the second execution in recent weeks. This point blank shooting of this individual who was surrounded by several ICE officers. can see, and what's interesting is that these are the kind of acts of brutality that Afrikaner people

Adesoji Iginla (02:12.215)
and Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:20.04)
Well.

Milton Allimadi (02:20.843)
used to be subjected to, whether black, Latino, and they would complain, and nobody would take them seriously. So to show you the nature of, we have to go really beyond race, right? Because these last two victims are being Europeans, and they're not being shot in under darkness of night. This is in broad daylight. So it tells you what the system is willing to do and defend.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:27.555)
you

Adesoji Iginla (02:38.771)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:39.696)
you

Milton Allimadi (02:50.811)
And it takes me back to what the very wealthy individual told me, and I've spoken about this at least five or six times during our shows over the last many months now. And the more I think about it, the more I realize how correct he was. This is a billionaire who, and now I can't precisely place the timing, but it might've been as long as 15 years ago, told me that, Milton, we might see a revolution in this country.

Adesoji Iginla (03:01.991)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (03:08.242)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (03:20.425)
And now he's about 95 years old. So I guess he maybe was in his late seventies then, or maybe early eighties. And I said, why? He said, because you cannot sustain a society like this where you only have people like me and everybody else. He said, when I started making my money in the 1980s, there was a middle class. You could have one decent job, pay off your home, retire and still have money. You've sent your kids to school. You've been taking vacations. Now you need three jobs.

just to exist. And when the problem is, we're going to have these uprisings and the big mistake they believe is that they'll be able to use the armed forces to suppress it. But it's not going to work because it's going to be huger and huger in size and multiple locations at the same time. It may not happen in my lifetime, talk about him, but most likely in your lifetime.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (03:52.061)
to exit.

Adesoji Iginla (04:04.237)
To quiet. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (04:17.255)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (04:18.309)
Every time I see these kinds of instances, I reflect upon that. So the incident itself, superficially, it might be because people are angry at the way they are going after undocumented people in this country. But that is only the surface level, right? There are a lot of other grievances that are not being expressed at that particular moment, but that exists, right? And I think the combustibility...

Adesoji Iginla (04:45.031)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (04:47.621)
is going to keep increasing. And now you cannot dismiss the words of a billionaire saying there might be a revolution in this country.

Adesoji Iginla (04:59.75)
Okay, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (05:01.886)
I have so many songs playing in my head right now. I'm hearing Tracy Chapman talking about a revolution. But I'm also hearing my sister singing, we who believe in freedom cannot rest. And one of the things that I've seen from time to time on social media and even in conversation with some people is.

Adesoji Iginla (05:12.051)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (05:26.794)
you know, black folk, we're going to set this one out. Some people who were criticizing Dunlemon and the civil rights attorney who went out to the church in Minnesota and obviously DOJ targeted the black people first and said, hey, told you all to set this one out. This is not our fight. And to the point that comrade Almaty is making.

Adesoji Iginla (05:40.179)
Maybe I'm

Milton Allimadi (05:43.206)
So.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (05:52.202)
This goes so much beyond just, we're trying to quote unquote get illegal immigrants out. This is not what it's about. We know statistically that the Obama administration deported more people than the Trump administration has, and we did not see this kind of terror on the streets. So this is not about getting rid of criminal immigrants. I mean, if you're going to people's jobs, if you are pausing,

naturalization ceremonies. If you are going and pulling people out of their, when they're reporting to their immigration officer like they're supposed to do, following the legal process and that's where you're arresting them, this is not about criminality. And then when you hear,

Milton Allimadi (06:22.628)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (06:26.277)
errands.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (06:40.764)
I don't know what you call her. Her face seems to be melting in real time. No, when you hear her say, if Minnesota would just turn over the voter rolls, they will leave Minnesota. You understand that white folk who are still, because I noticed that they said 48 % of white people still approve of what Trump is doing in terms of ICE and...

Adesoji Iginla (06:44.995)
to Mr. Noem.

Adesoji Iginla (07:08.755)
border control.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (07:08.874)
and quote unquote getting rid of the illegals 48 % this poll came out after rene the good was murdered and so I you know whiteness is a hell of a drug that's all I got to say it's a hell of a drug um and they've killed another one of their own and so

Adesoji Iginla (07:18.813)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (07:18.838)
Interesting. Interesting.

Milton Allimadi (07:27.595)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (07:32.722)
I just want to say to all of us, there's no sitting this out because what we're seeing now, when we asked the question, what were they doing when they came in, started kidnapping people in Africa? Why didn't the other Africans fight? You're seeing some of the answers here. Looking out for their self-interest. If I protect myself, it won't touch me. And then by the time you realize it was coming your way, there was no one else to fight with you.

Adesoji Iginla (07:50.102)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (07:56.331)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (07:59.09)
It's too late. Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (08:00.609)
Very good point.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:01.514)
What happened in, in, um, in, Germany with neighbors turning on neighbors, what has happened in Gaza? What are we still doing watching? It's like Twilight zone board of peace. By the way, 50 % or more of the countries that are supposedly on this board of peace are banned from coming to the United States of America. I don't even know what those leaders are thinking. So-called leaders are thinking.

Adesoji Iginla (08:08.029)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (08:28.421)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:31.59)
But the rest of the world has stood back to allow this 34th time felon, whom by the way, they should all have barred from coming to their nations anyway, the same way they deny visa entry to other criminals. They could have done that instead of, instead the UK were like, yeah, come sleep in Buckingham Palace.

And now this guy is unilaterally choosing who he wants to sit on this so-called board of peace while they're building their condos on Gaza, going to transport these Palestinians to Somaliland. I mean, this is crazy. If someone had written the script 15 years ago, most of us would have said 10 years ago, five years ago, this is ridiculous. This can't happen.

Adesoji Iginla (09:14.705)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:26.718)
but we're watching it in real time. And here's what this is exposed, if nothing else for me.

that the world is largely made up of lot of cowards.

Milton Allimadi (09:38.781)
Absolutely.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:40.68)
And I'm really speaking to each and every one of us. Listen, I have children. I want to be around to see them grow up. I want to possibly see grandchildren. But you know what? I'm willing to speak out. And if it's my time to go, let me go. Let me go fighting and standing because this acquiescence or Neil Hurston told us, you know, you're quiet. It will kill you and tell and say that you liked it.

Adesoji Iginla (10:08.211)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (10:08.764)
It's like when women get raped, well, she didn't cry loud enough. She must've been enjoying it. We have to resist in every way that you can think of. don't care how small you think your resistance is. We have to resist in every way. Last thing. We did have a debate in Texas yesterday.

Milton Allimadi (10:13.595)
or she must have, or look at what she was wearing. Look at what she was wearing, that's what they're saying.

Adesoji Iginla (10:13.789)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (10:22.151)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (10:35.836)
between James Tallarico and representative, jasmine crocket and I was glad to see that they did not sling mud at each other because we don't need that I wish we could have coordinated better and that they didn't have to run against each other but here we are whatever it is Whatever letter you have behind your name, which is ridiculous because nobody was born with a d and r and i or whatever listen

We need one of them to represent Texas in the Senate. So go out and vote. I'm going to be voting for you. You can ask me later. I'll tell you who.

Adesoji Iginla (11:09.863)
success.

Adesoji Iginla (11:16.921)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (11:18.94)
If you follow me, actually already know who I'm going to be voting for in the primaries. But even if the candidate I go for in the primaries does not win, I will be going for the other one. So my vote for Senate will either be Jasmine or will be James. Vote Jays. And we are going to try and get them into the Senate because we need them. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (11:38.296)
Okay, so very quickly, just a few seconds on what you said. The world is filled with cowards. Fortunately, the good thing is sometimes when a few step forward, you will see the immediate surge. I think we saw that in Gaza. When South Africa stepped forward, the world really became very vocal after that. After South Africa filed the action at the International Court of Justice, ICJ. In terms of the Board of Peace,

This is Berlin conference in real time at least in Berlin conference the victims were not aware of these conversations but in this this time the victims are watching in real time and the rest of the world is also watching and doing essentially nothing for the victims and then the third point in terms of What you said about Germany, so now you see how

Adesoji Iginla (12:10.661)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (12:34.253)
very easy it was for Hitler to emerge because you have the German populace who feel they've been aggrieved, they were humiliated by the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. So this individual is bringing back, you know, it's comparable to what Trump is doing. Why? There you go. No, absolutely, there you go. And that's exactly what he's manifesting in this country.

Adesoji Iginla (12:47.419)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (12:52.618)
He made Germany great again.

Adesoji Iginla (13:01.042)
Hmm

Milton Allimadi (13:02.942)
And so long as it doesn't impact me, it impacts all the others. I can live with it.

Adesoji Iginla (13:07.815)
I don't care. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the news here is when Trump, speaking to Maria Barry-Tamu or whatever her name is, said, we don't really care about Britain. They didn't really support us, you know. And when they came to Afghanistan, they were doing some patrol.

So you can imagine the rural Britannia crowd over here. They're like, what is he talking about? And yeah, so they made him understand the fact that Britain lost 457 soldiers in Afghanistan alone. And the fact he also said something, which I think he said a Davos, he was Davos, yeah, where he said, waiting up for the American role.

Europe will be speaking German. Yes. Yeah, there's an element of truth to that, but also devoid of real context of history. I think we need to clarify that. There were two pivotal battles in World War II. Two pivotal battles. You could look them up. It's the Battle of Stalingrad and the Battle of Berlin, none of which the West partook in.

Milton Allimadi (14:07.608)
You did say that.

Adesoji Iginla (14:35.435)
It was the NKVD, the Red Army of Russia, that in pushing back at the Battle of Stalingrad, in surrounding the German, is it the Sixth Army? I think it was the Sixth Army. And Stalin asked his generals, went to Stalin and asked, what do do next? He said, well, you have to follow them to Berlin, which they did.

They went into Berlin, committed so much atrocities, some of which is well documented. You could read Anthony Beaver's classic, Berlin, or Stalingrad, or even World War II, which combines the two, gives you an overall view of all of the histories I'm talking about. It's not that the Allied forces didn't do their part in Germany, but most of the victories they won was outside of Germany. So that's where

that element of truth needs to be told because the vilification of Russia, which again, we can go into, is why most of this history is skewed. Because if you went in as a combined force hoping to defeat Nazism, by the moment you come out, you want to dominate the entire conversation, it is where we get the East-West conversation, which is totally unnecessary.

That is a matter for another day. That's it.

Milton Allimadi (16:05.299)
No, think it's necessary. It's competing ideologies. After the war, you had the US Capitol against Soviet so-called communism. It was not really communism per se, because as Marx himself said, communism can only come after an advanced industrial society. So in fact, the best candidate would be a country like the United States, not a backward country like Russia.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (16:05.45)
Since.

Adesoji Iginla (16:09.144)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (16:19.463)
Yeah,

Adesoji Iginla (16:33.575)
Thank you very much.

Milton Allimadi (16:33.602)
Russia, whatever system they had, it was opposed to the West. And I think it had some benefits because during the bipolar era, that is also the era of African liberation. We got weapons and support from those countries that are opposed to the West, which was the Soviet Union and China, People's Republic of China. So it helped us in some ways as well, you know, as Africans.

Adesoji Iginla (16:39.539)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (16:47.143)
I'm just.

Adesoji Iginla (16:59.602)
Mm.

So that's a bit of a.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:03.051)
So interesting that you mentioned Russia though, because Putin just played another great hand. You got to pay a billion dollars to join my board of peace. First of all, where is the money going? listen, the complicity of the US Congress is mind boggling. I mean, really? Really? Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (17:10.205)
There you go.

Milton Allimadi (17:19.205)
you

Yeah. No, it is.

Adesoji Iginla (17:26.333)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (17:28.913)
I think the big question is, can it go on for three more years? That is the major question. This one year alone...

Adesoji Iginla (17:29.088)
Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:36.898)
mean, they have torn apart their own country because what else? Like he said, I can shoot someone in Central Park and I will go free. He is proving that because how does a president sell resources of another country, an account, bypass Congress, an account that only he has access to and the media has said nothing.

Milton Allimadi (17:47.342)
Perfect.

Milton Allimadi (17:56.463)
Right.

Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:05.116)
It's business as usual, but let's get back to Russia. Russia says.

Milton Allimadi (18:07.577)
Right. And then he sets up a poinsic scheme. This is a poinsic scheme, this Board of Peace thing. You invest a billion, you invest three billion, you have a membership for three years, you know, amazing.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:21.162)
And by the way...

this board of peace. But then, I'm sorry, Putin said, we'll join, use the money that you've already seized. That's it. We can't get access to it anyway. Go ahead, take that money and just put it in there. And so you've just money laundered.

Adesoji Iginla (18:34.684)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (18:43.059)
Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:47.668)
For Russia!

Adesoji Iginla (18:50.109)
There you go. There you go.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:51.516)
And again, the media is, as we will say in Nigeria, they have said, you got to be, you got to go on and visit it in Africa to know there's like nothing, not a word, silence. So yeah.

Milton Allimadi (18:59.086)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (19:05.745)
And you've noticed that, I mean, we'll come to one of it in one of our stories, the way they pay hard and fast rules with so-called rules of engagement. I'm talking about the United States, the EU, and all its so-called Western democracies is just indicative of madness. This guy, Amy Cesar, in his book, Discourse Colonialism,

He said a civilization that plays hard and fast rules with its principles is a dying civilization. And we can see it happening in real time. So that said, we will go into our first story, which comes from the Financial Times, the Money Paper. And it's titled The Opposition Leader.

Milton Allimadi (19:41.185)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (19:57.235)
Bobby Wine opposition leader Bobby Wine urges Ugandans to reject fake election results. Speaking to Financial Times from hiding, Wine said his safety is at risk after son of President Ewery Misuveni threatens to kill him. Opposition leader Bobby Wine calls on Ugandans on Tuesday to reject Ewery Misuveni's purported victory in last week's election and told the FT that a police crackdown

on his supporters was on the way. So the official results gave up to Jirarian Museveni, who was seeking a seventh-elected term in office. Nearly 72 % of the vote to wined 24 % on a turnout of just over half of the electorate. The usual refrain, whine a former pop star whose real name is Robert Cuniani, described the results as fake and widespread balloting stuff into

place. We did our party said in the telephone interview, our democracy has been abused, the election has been rigged. But there's a part here which is funny. The former head of state in Nigeria, President Good luck, Jonathan criticized the involvement of the military in the electoral process and said the internet shutdown has created public mistrust. There were scattered protests in Kampala. This is the FT reporting, but nothing on the scale of what happened in neighboring Tanzania during the disputed polls last October. newspaper said

when the state oversaw a brutal crackdown. Then here is one key point I want us to put a pin in. Most of any who took power in 1986, the head of a rebel army, stability for his victory and said an atmosphere of maximum unity was returning to the country. He claimed Wines national unity or platform party had planned to attack polling station in places where they were losing and said

one of its some of its members were terrorists. Would you say what would you say to just to begin with what would you say to that part? They were terrorists and maximum stability. What is your is very suggesting there that he is the habit of truth, the habit of justice or what? Comrade.

Milton Allimadi (22:21.394)
So.

Adesoji Iginla (22:21.779)
We should also say, disclaimer that you're of Ugandan descent.

Milton Allimadi (22:28.032)
Absolutely. I'm anti-dictators everywhere. I've condemned them in Cameroon, in Ivory Coast, in Tanzania. I've called for popular prisings in all those countries. So of course, I also endorse popular pricing in Uganda to get rid of illegitimate regimes. So you asked that part about attacking polling stations where they were losing. How would they know they're losing?

Adesoji Iginla (22:31.184)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (22:41.648)
Okay.

Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (22:56.495)
in those polling stations. How would they know? Think about that. So, you know, the lies are so obvious that you just have to pay attention to what is being said to see how preposterous it is. Number number one, but the most essential thing is there were no elections in Uganda. There were no elections in Tanzania. You cannot have something where you turn off the lights and you call it election. It's like us having the electorate in a large room and then

Adesoji Iginla (23:08.093)
that.

Adesoji Iginla (23:26.163)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (23:26.721)
with the candidates, Milton and Adey Sogi. And I am the one who appoints the person who counts the votes. And then my people turn off the lights. And while the lights are still turned off, somebody shows a flashlight at the person who counts the votes. And it says, Milton won, Milton won. That's how preposterous it is. So even for media to take that seriously,

Adesoji Iginla (23:36.183)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (23:49.287)
Ha ha ha!

Adesoji Iginla (23:55.481)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (23:56.792)
and not make them the lead in their articles. This article, by the way, is less offensive than the ones in the BBC, you know, which said, know, we serve anyone and opposition candidate cries foul, right? So this one actually is much better. But for them to not lead off with the fact that essentially the lights were turned off. And of course, something like this would not be acceptable in Britain.

Adesoji Iginla (24:13.2)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (24:26.599)
Nobody would take it seriously. People would probably be behind bars by now. There would probably be a popular uprising. People would not take it seriously in the US or in Germany or in France or in Italy, these so-called quote unquote advanced countries. So why are you accepting that elections were held in Uganda while the internet was turned off? There could only be a couple of reasons. Number one,

Adesoji Iginla (24:36.659)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (24:50.803)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (24:55.194)
You don't really see them as human beings. know, the British people would not take anything seriously in the United States, if the United States, even under Trump, let's say, were to so-called hold elections while the internet was switched on. So you have different standards. There's standards for humanity, and then there's standards for, quote unquote, the others, including Africans, right? That's the only basis or explanation that, you

Adesoji Iginla (25:21.351)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (25:25.669)
that could make that acceptable, that you're not judging them by the same standards. And then here's the other interesting thing, which was also dominant in BBC articles, right? At one point, they said the internet was turned off, so it was not easy to get reliable information. But yet, they also said...

Adesoji Iginla (25:32.417)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (25:52.664)
Bobby Wine said the elections were rigged without providing evidence. But they did not say Museveni's end-appointed election commission provided any evidence to show that he actually won. And then one final point. The electorate, okay, so they gave Museveni 72 % and Bobby Wine 24%. I think they essentially just switched the numbers because the population of Uganda

Adesoji Iginla (26:12.615)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (26:21.028)
73 % is under the age of 30. There's no way in hell that they would have voted for Museveni. And they make the overwhelming majority of the population. So most likely, Bobby Wine actually won by 72 % and Museveni earned 24 % of the vote. And then one final correction. And this is a direct message to comrade Bobby Wine. You are not the opposition leader. You are the winner of the election.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (26:25.363)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (26:29.107)
Thank much.

Milton Allimadi (26:50.967)
So you have to say to media when you speak to media that I am the winner of the election, I'm the legitimate ruler of Uganda, and Museveni is the opposition leader. In fact, not only opposed to the electorate, but actually in opposition to the people of Uganda.

Adesoji Iginla (27:09.454)
Hmm. Media training.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:12.906)
because words matter.

Milton Allimadi (27:15.16)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (27:16.879)
Sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:17.406)
First and first and foremost, I am so grateful that

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:27.07)
I shouldn't call her Mrs. Wine, because that is not their real name. Mrs. Carrie Honey. Barbie, That she is at a hospital that although she was brutalized in other ways, it does not appear that she was sexually brutalized. Because when I heard that, some of you may not know this, but basically his, Wine's home was under siege.

Milton Allimadi (27:30.816)
Yes, Barbara goes by Barbie, right. She goes by Barbie.

Milton Allimadi (27:41.205)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:56.616)
He was able to escape because they really were gonna kill him. That's just how these things go. But she was still at home with other people. Family members were trying to get to them to get food and resources to them and they could not get to them because most of many people would not allow them access. They eventually broke in. There's evidence on the internet of how they destroyed his home and brutalized his wife.

trying to get her to give up his whereabouts, which she probably had no clue where he was anyway. And as I was reading that story, my heart was absolutely in my stomach because for far too many women, we don't just get beaten up physically. There's a whole other level of abuse that happens that is very hard to heal from. But fortunately, she surfaced in a hospital.

Milton Allimadi (28:42.251)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (28:54.066)
she has granted a number of interviews and some world leaders have spoken up not criticizing the election itself, but at least saying that the government should not go after Bobby Wine and his family. So I don't know if that puts a little bit of a pause because the rhetoric coming from Museveni's son, who by the way is positioning himself,

as the next dictator after his father dies is very concerning. And he was very, very bold in saying not only what he would do to Bobby Wine, but also to Larry Maddow, who is a journalist. And then also what they're doing to many of the, quote unquote, opposition leaders, really the party that won, who are still

Adesoji Iginla (29:24.637)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (29:49.126)
Missing they're over 2,000 missing. They're claiming 30 dead But the people on the ground are saying that they're really thousands that have been killed So anyway what we know for sure with any of these stories the articles that are being written is if there was an internet blackout If you did not have journalists on the ground Observing you have no clue what the hell you're talking about

Milton Allimadi (30:12.652)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:18.174)
You are basically using the talking points of the regime. And we know for all the reasons we've discussed over the past month here on this channel, that the West likes Museveni in power because it provides quote unquote some stability to them. And we know that other African leaders will not speak out because they don't want the scrutiny for when they act up either. So they're all largely either quiet or

Adesoji Iginla (30:35.229)
is

Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:46.846)
congratulating him, including Jonathan Goodluck, who by the way, comes from River State in Nigeria, which is where my family is from, where the governor there has been under assault since he was elected. They're now trying to impeach him because the previous governor feels like he should still be running that state. And Jonathan has not been able to wield any kind of influence.

or bring about any peace right there. And so for you to be talking about an election in Uganda that you were not physically on land to witness, and then this is the statement you have to make, it's ridiculous. So there's a lot of complicity here.

Again for the people of uganda i'm seeing the pictures the videos of mothers crying my heart always goes at anyone who's buried a child Or a brother or sister you guys know this pain Nobody wants to sacrifice their lives or the lives of loved ones but these dictators Will not go out by just being if we just appeal to their better humanity because they have none They have none

Milton Allimadi (31:48.831)
run.

Milton Allimadi (31:58.462)
Absolutely. Absolutely. I think if you needed people to really come out to remove colonial rule, to remove apartheid atrocity, and there's essentially no difference because they're using the same apartheid methods, know, repression, brutality, killing, locking up people, exiling people, and to be addressing

Adesoji Iginla (32:00.788)
doesn't exist.

Milton Allimadi (32:28.785)
the regime itself, it's almost a waste of time. You have to go after the structures that support the regime. So in the case of South Africa, people went after corporations that were sustaining and after the governments that were sustaining. And that is the approach that the youth in Africa have to start adopting. So for in Uganda, for example, and the same thing I said for Cameroon, totale.

Adesoji Iginla (32:33.139)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (32:36.925)
That problem, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (32:58.973)
Total can just not be allowed to be profiting from the blood of Africans, whether it's in Cameroon, whether it's in Uganda. So there has to be a campaign against Total. And there actually has been a very effective one in Uganda for that pipeline that they're trying to build from Uganda to Tanzania. So because of a lot of the mobilization, a lot of the activism, a lot of the financial backers of that pipeline disappeared.

Adesoji Iginla (33:16.403)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (33:27.802)
the insurance companies disappeared. So those are kind of efforts that need to be escalated. And then they will realize it's time for us to part company with this dictator of 40 plus years.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (33:40.126)
And I'm going to say this because sometimes we just feel like we're so powerless to do anything. And I understand that all of us have really busy lives. There's so much going on already, but really it's still works even in this crazy political environment.

to call your senators, your representatives to send postcards and to verbalize or to put in writing your opposition to whatever it is that's going on. So it's a simple script like, hey, I'm asking for safety guarantees for Ugandan opposition leader, or I'm asking for the United States of America to stop supporting.

the regime of Mussoumeni because they are killing people. I mean, whatever words you need to use, and if you need help, hey, you can reach out to us. We will help with that. We need to make our voices heard because when we look back and study how we were able to overcome apathy, there were a lot of tactics that we used. And one of them was putting pressure on the US government.

Adesoji Iginla (34:33.693)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (34:45.401)
Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (34:45.607)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (34:50.686)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (34:50.782)
but also on, as you mentioned, comrade, on these various corporations as well. So don't feel that, it's a world away. I am powerless to do anything. First, getting educated, very important. Spread the word, and then use whatever power you have in whatever way that you can. And just stay.

Adesoji Iginla (35:01.813)
Wireless.

Milton Allimadi (35:11.871)
And I just want to add one other word. The fact that he so-called escaped when his home was surrounded by hundreds of soldiers, that to me is actually a good sign. I think some of the soldiers were not willing to carry out the order, which I'm sure was to eliminate him. It could be like, he resisted arrest or what have you, or to at least capture him so that he's in captivity.

Adesoji Iginla (35:25.171)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (35:40.247)
I think it's much more likely that some soldiers allowed him to escape. And that is why Mujozi, Moussar Rene's is in such a panicking mode because he realizes that the military may not be 100 % behind him. And it would not be surprising. I don't believe that every member of the armed forces would endorse a commander in chief who tweets that we killed 22 of them. And I hope the 23rd one is going to be Bobby Wine.

Adesoji Iginla (35:45.841)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (36:10.882)
Or last May when he posted a photo of Bobby Wyden's head of security, whom he had captured and shaved off his head and then tortured him and the guy is bleeding. And he boasted that I'm torturing this guy in my basement right now. It's on Twitter. It was a front page on many national newspapers. So I believe that, Mouhozi believes that the military is playing a factor in what is going on Uganda right now.

Adesoji Iginla (36:39.303)
Well.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (36:40.498)
That might be the case, and I hope it is, because then that means there's resistance from within. There's a spiritual side of it, because there was a time in my life, actually I was a first year law student, and the army surrounded our home in Potaca to arrest my father. And they were gonna charge him with treason. And.

Milton Allimadi (36:58.731)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:03.083)
If I tell you how my father escaped today, if he tried it again, he could not get through the bars that he got through. I couldn't get through the bars he got through. I absolutely believe it was an act of God, but I might be wrong. And he was able to, cause the house was surrounded. He got through this, you know, a lot of African homes, have the bar, the, the bug Larry proof on the rods to keep thieves out, but then it can also keep you in. Um, but he escaped through that.

Milton Allimadi (37:12.273)
Wow.

Adesoji Iginla (37:12.325)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (37:25.773)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (37:27.902)
Right. Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:32.93)
and was able to find a cut in the fence that we kids had done to get out. When we shouldn't have. And he was able to slip through that to get over it. So I don't know how he got out. I'm glad he got out because I think it's really important that he was not in that home when they broke in.

Adesoji Iginla (37:38.811)
I probably thank you now.

Milton Allimadi (37:40.562)
Wow.

Milton Allimadi (37:50.238)
Absolutely, I agree.

Adesoji Iginla (37:53.363)
OK. Speaking of getting out, Trump is of the opinion that the UK is being critically stupid, as he puts it. For that story, we go to The Guardian. I can't imagine. But hey, listen, people do talk. He said, and I quote, Trump cites UK stupidity over Chagua's island.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:54.132)
What?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (38:04.266)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (38:23.143)
Chagawas Islands as reason to take over Greenland. The US president said on social media that Britain's decision to cede islands to Mauritius is an act of total weakness. Donald Trump has suggested Britain's decision to cede the Chagawas Islands to Mauritius is amongst the reasons he wants to take over Greenland. Writing on his website, Trump said, shockingly, our brilliant NATO ally, the United Kingdom.

is currently planning to give away the island of Diego Garcia at the site of a vital US military base to Mauritius and do so for no reason whatsoever. A UK spokesman, I have said, the UK would never compromise on our national security reacted because the base on Diego Garcia was under threat from after court decisions undermined our position and would have prevented it operating as intended in future.

Immediately after the comments, the shadow press secretary, look at that name, Priti Patel said, President Trump has said what we've said all along. Labels 35 billion Chagwa surrender is a bad deal for Britain. It's bad for our national security. We're opposed to it from day one. It's time Starmor, who is the UK prime minister, puts the security of our country first and scrap this rotting deal. Who wants to go first?

Milton Allimadi (39:47.58)
You're

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (39:48.188)
I brother should go because I missed him the last couple of weeks.

Milton Allimadi (39:52.038)
Okay. Okay. So first of all, I just wanted to note that, you know, your father was a cat in a previous life, obviously, to be able to make that kind of escape and blessings to him. Now, in terms of this story, first of all,

Adesoji Iginla (39:54.663)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (40:02.451)
Kind of escape. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (40:16.214)
Russia and China saying thumbs up and Ukraine is saying wow and Taiwan is also saying wow Because there's a quote there in the story Where is it now essentially saying might is right And he said these you're referring to Russia and China. These are international powers who only recognize strength

Adesoji Iginla (40:30.291)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (40:38.535)
Yeah. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (40:45.998)
which is why the United States of America under my leadership is now after only one year respected like never before. So he's saying this conduct is correct, which means that it is correct for Russia to pursue the same policy toward Ukraine. It is correct for China to pursue the same policy toward Taiwan, which of course,

Adesoji Iginla (40:54.067)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (41:14.867)
Type one. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (41:15.786)
these people like, you know, Rubio scratching his head. That's the major point I wanted to make on this story. And then the second one is, Chagos, Chagos, Chagos. I don't understand when they say they need it for security needs, whether it's the United States, whether it's Britain. This is the philosophy of 19th century colonialism. Before you had

Adesoji Iginla (41:21.811)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (41:40.499)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (41:44.425)
carrier ships. Now you have carriers that each can hold dozens of fighter jets. You're floating islands that can go to whichever location you want to conduct your imperialism. So why do you really need Chagos? What's missing in the story? There's something that I've failed to comprehend. Are there minerals involved somewhere that we don't know? By having this lease

Adesoji Iginla (41:45.201)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (42:10.355)
.

Milton Allimadi (42:13.8)
Do the British have access to oil finds that they've not revealed to the people of Chagos and Mauritius? There's something that's been missing for a very long time in the story. In the era of carrier warships, you do not need a physical static island. I would take a ship that can move a floating island over Chagos anytime. So those are my two comments.

Adesoji Iginla (42:44.207)
Sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (42:50.506)
I hope Africans across the diaspora pay attention. Because when Mark Carney made his comments at the boss this past week, and he said plainly what many of us who have been paying attention already know.

Adesoji Iginla (42:52.327)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (43:08.284)
about this world order that they tell us is for the peace and the well-being of everybody and they're looking out for all of us. But really there are different sets of rules for different people. And of course, Mia Motley has been saying that many other people have been arguing that. I think for those who always believe the white man's ice is colder, it took hearing a white man say, listen, and he used these exact words. If you're not at the table, you're on the menu.

Adesoji Iginla (43:35.84)
new, correct?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (43:38.377)
In this whole article, the Africans are not at this table. You are not, listen, might is right. We are going to not solve world hunger. We're not going to cure diseases, none of that. We are going to use every resource. We're gonna use your blood, sweat and tears, your taxpayer dollars to fund more military.

Adesoji Iginla (43:44.211)
So, clearly, they are good.

Adesoji Iginla (43:50.483)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (44:00.274)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:08.506)
exploits to to build patriot missiles faster and bigger and more invisible and so on and so forth so that we can conquer more of the world and by the way of course that he's very smart man smarter than anybody who's ever lived said look we have a winter storm coming that means there's no global warming

Adesoji Iginla (44:14.205)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (44:19.879)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (44:27.441)
with this maneuver.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:32.784)
The same time that it's like the Arctic is melting the idea cannot put two two things together So anyway, in reading this article first and foremost You guys it should be really clear. You cannot believe anything that the felon in chief says If he says something to this minute it can change the very next second And so the fact that they signed off on first of all

Adesoji Iginla (44:55.661)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (45:01.353)
Thank you.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:02.603)
Americans have no agency. have no agency. Comrade Alamadi has already made it clear. We are not sovereign. We have no independence. We're just lying to ourselves. Let's just be clear about that. even with this whole decision, okay, so whatever pressure was put on the UK, they signed this disagreement. There are people in the UK who are opposed to it. But Trump and Rubio say this is a great idea, once upon a time.

Now all of a sudden, it doesn't suit their needs. We don't know all the reasons why, except that I think this man probably is incredulous himself that the world is not providing any obstacles to his.

grandiose ideas of ruling the world. mean, didn't feel, listen, the first time he won as president, he didn't believe he was going to win. And then he won and it was like, okay, now what? And he didn't know what quite to do, which is why we didn't see as much chaos and there were still some adults in the room with that first presidency. But once he was like, and then.

Adesoji Iginla (46:05.565)
What do I do with this?

Adesoji Iginla (46:15.729)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:20.753)
some of these puppeteers started to gather and said, hmm, we know how to get him massages ego and we can get him to do anything. And we see that these people are following this golden cough. So we can make him do the things we want done to achieve our own aims. Boom. They put up this, put together this project 2025 and their goal as they wrote in that project 2025 was

Milton Allimadi (46:26.846)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (46:28.339)
stroke is ego. Yeah. Anything.

Adesoji Iginla (46:35.155)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:50.632)
to minimally have 60 % of it implemented within the first year. And I have to say, they have probably exceeded that goal. And they have surrounded him with yes men and women. yes, so anyway, coming back to this, Africans, need to be very concerned because today it's the Chaco Islands, it's Greenland.

Adesoji Iginla (46:55.889)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (47:00.492)
Mm. Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:19.824)
and tomorrow it could be another Berlin conference.

Adesoji Iginla (47:23.635)
.

Could be.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:28.26)
and it will be the super world powers. The other idiots on the board of peace will not be at the table because the price will go up to 20 billion and they won't have it to pay, but it will be Russia, possibly China and US. And it's like, okay, which part of Africa do you want?

Adesoji Iginla (47:38.163)
They're gonna be part of the menu.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:53.544)
We need to be very careful. The time to resist is right now. That's all I have to say on this one.

Milton Allimadi (47:59.526)
All right, so two quick points. You spoke about him not encountering any resistance. This time he did on Greenland. And that's why we saw some moderation in his tone toward Greenland because the Europeans realize he's gone beyond the line. We can't just allow him to walk over us on Greenland.

Adesoji Iginla (48:00.497)
want to say something the comment?

Milton Allimadi (48:29.561)
They gathered, they fortified their backbone a little bit so that Trump actually had to acknowledge that we had some talks with NATO. We've come to an agreement that he can't disclose the detail, but I don't think we are going to be seeing the US flag soon yet over Greenland. But that to me is a lesson that when you do stand up together, you can accomplish some things. And then the second lesson here is this whole thing.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (48:58.228)
So why couldn't they stand up for the Palestinians? Why couldn't they stand up for the Venezuelans? And why are they not standing up against this board of peace that was signed in Switzerland on European land? That's ridiculous.

Milton Allimadi (49:02.82)
And that's the problem. That's a very good question.

Milton Allimadi (49:14.772)
No, but I'm agreeing with your point. I'm agreeing with your point. And the point is that in the other cases, these are not Europeans. The Palestinians are not seen as worthy of them standing up. And they never would have even said a word had South Africa not launched the first salvo with the lawsuit at the International Court of Justice. But this whole thing with the, you know, the Council of Peace or whatever it is,

Adesoji Iginla (49:20.027)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (49:42.602)
you

Milton Allimadi (49:44.718)
should be a lesson to other, the BRICS countries. The BRICS countries, this is an opportunity to expand BRICS into what the United Nations should have been, where you don't have five members with veto power that can unravel anything and everything that's been agreed by the General Assembly. So this is your opportunity to set up a real United Nations.

Don't give it the same name, of course, because I imagine that would be copyright infringement. But come up with that organization that is actually needed today. And then that's how you make this Trump World Peace Council irrelevant. If you set up a true United Nations through what you have, your foundation already, your bricks, built from there.

Adesoji Iginla (50:16.933)
You

Adesoji Iginla (50:35.347)
OK. Sister mentioned something earlier that which Makani talked about, which is if you're not part of the planning team, then you're obviously on the menu. The Chagos Island, Diego Garcia in particular.

and Greenland, they have a couple of things in common, which is why sometimes, I don't know which gentleman said it, oppression somewhere is oppression everywhere else. Injustice somewhere is injustice everywhere. I think it's Martin Luther King Jr. The reason I say that is in the 1960s and effectively in 1973, April 27, 1973, the UK by the Queen's

royal consent signed an order that the place be vacated. And they moved everybody out of the place, handed it over to the United States to create a base, Diego Garcia in particular. Not the other island, just Diego Garcia, one of the islands among the Chaguan archipelago. So basically, you wiped out an entire generation. You concrete over their land.

Milton Allimadi (51:28.034)
you

Adesoji Iginla (51:50.641)
you gassed their animals. I mean, there's a documentary on YouTube. I think it's titled Chagos. It's just titled Chagos. If you look it up, you will see it. It's all documented there. So in Greenland as well, the Danes went into Greenland in the 1700s. And what did they do? A similar type colonial conquest. They used this colonial language. is

Terranulius, which is nobody's land. So basically, human beings there don't exist. The British did it as well in Australia. The Germans did it in Namibia. So you've got this recount where we say it's, I think it's the comrade who said the Berlin conference is effectively in full effect again. That's what the Board of Peace is. That is when you hear this, all of this silly pronouncements, but

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (52:24.212)
So.

Adesoji Iginla (52:49.503)
this you're being idiotic for giving back what you stole from somebody else why would you do that the danes not only did that but also sterilized the women

They sterilize the women, they rob them of their language, of their culture, and they have only been making small gestures of apologies and compensation of late. And we're talking about the early 2000s. So imagine you've been doing something since the 1700s, and you're only coming to terms with it in the 2020s. And the idea that this island was supposed to be returned

was only because the International Court of Justice in 2019 said Britain has no right to own in somebody else's land. They tried as much as possible to push back the time to say, well, Britain claims a right, which is what that opposition shadow secretary, Priti Patel, was loading up to that we

we push back, push back. Eventually, when it became too embarrassing for them, that is when they agreed that, OK, we'll speak to Mauritius and then try as bring up an idea which is where we got the 35 billion for 99 year lease deal. And again, goes back to understand colonial history will give us a broad idea of where all of this story sits.

And that is that for the Chagos Islands.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (54:33.064)
So, so, so will the ICJ weigh in on the Virgin Islands? Will they weigh in on Puerto Rico? How far are we going?

Milton Allimadi (54:42.112)
All right.

Adesoji Iginla (54:44.147)
Yeah, they bring, if they bring the, if they bring, what's it called, if the people on the island bring a credible case, yeah, the eyes, the eyes, sometimes it's not even the power for them to push anything. Like the good comrades.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (54:53.898)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (55:00.682)
So then why aren't we applying that same lens to Gaza? Why are we not applying that same lens to Gaza? Yes.

Milton Allimadi (55:04.158)
Sister, sister, no, no, sister, sister, hear my interjection. We can spend a week on this topic and we'll never get to any other topic, but I agree with you. It's hypocritical, 100%. If we are to go by that yardstick, all those territories you mentioned should have self-determination. I agree with you, 100%.

Adesoji Iginla (55:23.879)
Yes, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (55:32.219)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, it's laughable, yeah, is that, and I want people to go away with this. Anytime they hear that phrase, terrinulis, it's a colonial term, essentially mean we have the right to this place devoid of its people. So the Brits did it. Yes, go ahead.

Milton Allimadi (55:34.407)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (55:54.973)
I think what Sister is saying is that yes, and good for Chagos that things are turning the way it is. But she's saying that if we were to apply that same issue of justice, right, I'm out of justice, there's so many other good candidates. And I agree with her totally. In this case, I think there's some...

Adesoji Iginla (56:12.499)
Hmm. Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (56:17.703)
Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (56:24.305)
blessings at play, not in Puerto Rico, not in so many other occupied places around the world, and of course, most blatantly, Gaza.

Adesoji Iginla (56:38.403)
Yes. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (56:39.594)
So I'm just hoping that to the extent that the Europeans have found a little bit of a spine to draw a line as it pertains to Greenland, that hopefully that is going to extend to Cuba, which we know Rubio would definitely like to get his fangs into. And yeah, so we shall see.

Milton Allimadi (56:57.883)
Yeah. He said by the end of the year, I think.

Adesoji Iginla (57:07.111)
Well, OK, on to the next story, which comes from Radio France International. And it's that an Ivorian village is remembering its revolt. But unfortunately, there is still a sad tale to it. It's that Ivorian village remembers revolt that killed a French colonial officer. Residents of the village of Rubino in south eastern Cote d'Ivoire continue to

commemorate an uprising against a French colonial army officer killed there on the 7th of July, 1910. The village is named after Rubino. The officer targeted in the revolt by the Abbe people. The uprising is remembered as an act of resistance against colonial rule and the event is still commemorated more than a century later. In the middle of a forest near Rubino, a dismantled bridge stands as a reminder of the revolt. The Abbe people remove its boat.

by hand to stop the train carrying the officer. But here is where it gets tricky. The revolt was not only directed at the officer himself, but at the system he represented. Abbe people rebelled against forced labor imposed during colonial period. Rubino worked for the French Company of West Africa, CFAO, a training business active in colonial West Africa in the late 19th and early 20th century. That company still exists, by the way.

and is still operating it within Africa. So sister, your thoughts.

Milton Allimadi (58:39.352)
Actually before she says something, sister, before you say anything, I have a question for both of you. What is missing in this article?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:41.044)
first and foremost, yes, please.

Adesoji Iginla (58:43.635)
Okay. It's the, when I read it, what jumps out at me was the fact that the people were not one. Yes, they were celebrating the fact that they revolted, but the

end of it is not talking about what their agency truly is. That was it for

Milton Allimadi (59:15.192)
All right. See you, Stu.

Milton Allimadi (59:20.982)
what was glaringly missing in this article.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:22.972)
Again for me.

For me, what is always missing is our story. What led to the revolt? What was going on that caused the people to revolt? And then of course, in what ways was that revolt completely squashed? And then then because so many times these stories are not told, how common these revolts actually were, even though we are not taught about them. So even when I speak with my friends,

Adesoji Iginla (59:45.735)
Hmm. yep.

Milton Allimadi (59:52.216)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:55.24)
are African-American here who are like, why didn't the Africans come to save us or fight? I'm like, they were fighting for survival as well. But what do you see as missing?

Milton Allimadi (01:00:04.116)
Okay, so you said it, but I wanted to elaborate on that. You said the word squash.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:10.163)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:12.905)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:14.978)
When you squash something, what happens?

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:16.529)
Massacred.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:21.566)
No, you hit it right on the-

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:21.715)
They were... Yeah, they were massacred. No? No?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:22.014)
They kill them off.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:24.598)
Okay, so do we see any numbers? Do we see any numbers?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:26.099)
Yeah.

no, because there are no humans involved.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:32.99)
But you hit it right on the price. said, okay, how was it squashed? How was it squashed? You in translation is how many people were killed. The article does not name, not even a single casualty in a rebellion, a rebellion where nobody died.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:33.575)
No, exterminate all brutes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:43.199)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:50.191)
except the colonial officer.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:52.266)
except the colonial officer. This one guy and they're showing his grave and the leader or the chief is by his grave. I mean, I've never seen such propaganda ever before. Blatant. What publication is this again?

What publication is this? This is outrageous, outrageous. I wanted to interject that in the very beginning.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:11.847)
Radio France International. Radio France International.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:13.639)
Of course.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:24.069)
Okay, sister, continue.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:27.243)
Again, we see the role of these international multinational corporations. They're always the ones that they come in first as we're just trading partners. Then the spiritual part of the, that's the next wave that comes in to kind of get people not paying attention to what they should be doing spiritually. And then the gumbo diplomacy.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:39.463)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:44.497)
the missionaries.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:54.43)
And they're all working together, which is, also see this with the United States of America, even with this quote unquote strong arming, it's to allow American corporations that are these oligarchs that are paying into Trump's treasury or whatever, to go into these countries and have unfettered access to.

you know, withdraw resources and colonize us essentially. And so the tactics remain the same. These traders, we're talking, we're just making money. It's just, it's not a big deal. It is a big deal. They are usually the first to show up and they are never there to really build true partnerships.

They are there to exploit and like you said, they are still in existence. So that was one thing for me again, just really hurt my heart that This place is now called Rubino like there we did not exist before this I never want to strip anybody of their humanity, but this piece of shit of a human being who came there

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:42.259)
It's just a dream.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:07.306)
as the face of, and usually, let me just be very clear, having lived on the continent of Africa, most of the white people who come to Africa to make their wealth are actually the ones who cannot survive on their own land. Yes, even the

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:19.261)
We're the Draggs of society.

Yeah, they were the dregs of society.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:28.082)
who came and started the United States of America. A lot of times it's like, can't make it over here. I'm going to come over here. And then somehow we give them this elevated status. I see it in my black community here in Texas where I am. White people who are completely without any true talent within their own communities, all of a sudden show up within the black community and we elevate them. We're just so happy.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:48.775)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:56.702)
that a white person showed up and then they become, okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead, go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:56.756)
Let me interject here. Let me interject here. You remember when Trump, what's the Trump popular refrain? They're sending their ass, they're rapists, they're crazies, they're projection. Portercott is named after who?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:13.012)
Projection. Projection.

A pedophile.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:20.462)
Mm-mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:20.755)
Most of the rivers in

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:22.346)
adjudicated pedophile.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:24.927)
Most of the rivers in the Great Lake region is named after Europeans.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:33.726)
So let me very quickly on Rubino so that comrade can get into this. The key factors that led to that revolt, first of all, were forced labor. We should understand that. So while Africans may say we didn't have slavery in Africa, that's only because we do not have memory of what really happened. We may not have called it slavery, but it was slavery. So there was forced labor. The Abbe people were compelled to work on colonial structures, projects.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:55.315)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:02.715)
particularly railways, go and read Malido Masome's book. There's so many other books too that talk about the number of lives that were lost, building these structures for Europeans to be able to extract wealth from Africa, right? The abuse of authority, so they could harass villagers, that's their term for us, tax us, rape us.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:04.708)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:12.499)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:31.518)
have babies, abandoned babies in my own family. I have a cousin who was sired by someone else who was actually a French man who was there doing some work, whatever. And yeah, that's it. He's gone and she stayed behind. Yeah. Theft, of course, of our resources. And so we were fighting back. We've always tried to fight back. And so one of the things that our people did,

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:45.587)
It's compact, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:01.366)
is they disabled the railway lines. And that is how that train could not go through. And they were able to then abduct Rubino and kill him. And then of course, the whole focus as Comrade said is on this one person, as opposed to possibly hundreds, thousands of people who had lost their lives prior to this revolt.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:23.495)
What?

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:29.875)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:30.163)
and then in the ways that they were quote unquote squashed. And there were similar revolts in so many other places. You can look at the Volta-Bani War, 1915 to 1917. This was a large scale anti-colonial uprising in Burkina Faso and in Mali area and included tens of thousands of fighters. You can look at the Baoli and Agni resistance that was in also in Cote d'Ivoire. So you can look at,

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:41.927)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:57.447)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:59.892)
from the 1880s to almost the early 1900s, the Samori Taore. So all across Senegal, Guinea, Dalmi, we had this revolt. So just for those who are thinking we didn't fight back, we did. And the brutality in which, comrade will probably go into it, they were squashed. We still have not completely studied and we're still not even talking about.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:06.412)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:24.453)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:24.891)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:29.821)
There's a before the comedy goes there is a book that will give you an entry point into the domination and resistance. It's read as part of the General History of Africa series written by a Du Bois him. It's Africa on the colonial domination and in the older documented resistance is in the multiple pages of some of the most atrocious things that were done to people.

and how they push back against it. So the book is General History of Africa. It's volume seven. And it's Africa under colonial domination, 1880 to 1935. Yeah, go on, Kamrad.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:13.933)
All right, so this, as I said, is one of the worst propaganda stories that we've discussed recently. So this Rubino, in fact, comes out almost as saint if you read this article. And that photo, the chief visiting is great. 574 of the Abbe people were killed. So why was the article not about them?

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:19.571)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:29.319)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:33.661)
Yeah, rave, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:42.551)
and showing their grave. You know, in fact, one of the questions the sisters raised was what I was asking myself too. Why is there time? It's much more likely, and this is not told, that it was the French who decided to name the plate Rubino. I can't imagine Africans, no matter how docile they are, would resist, would take out one of them, and then would change the name of their location.

to the person they just killed in resistance. Think about that. So we're not even told who named that Rubino. And then we are told that he's buried in a spiritual ancestral location, almost leaving the impression that the African said, you know, no, we killed him in resistance, but let's bury him in our ancestral spiritual land. In fact, it's much more absolutely, it's much more likely.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:24.594)
in this. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:28.051)
Who else did that?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:37.406)
We killed that master. We killed Jesus representative.

Milton Allimadi (01:09:42.757)
Like the French said, you know what? Not only are you going to rename your town after the person you just killed, you're going to bury him in your revered ancestral land. Bury him while I'm watching. Right? And then in order to do the fighting for them, of course, you know, they bring Africans that they are dominating. So it was Senegalese Africans that fought against the people.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:48.751)
You're going to be...

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:58.877)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:13.242)
The article was so outrageous that I said, you know what, let me take a few minutes to look up more information. Senegalese, 1,400 Senegalese were brought to suppress the people of Abbe. And the Senegalese fighting for the French lost 21 people. Where is their grave? They're not even mentioned in this article. This article is so outrageous to believe. And then finally, in terms of the cost of building the railways that the sister mentioned.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:19.731)
You

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:35.74)
Mm, mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:42.015)
the people that died. 14,000 Africans died building the French railway from the coast to Brazzaville in French Congo. You know, people sometimes confuse there was French Congo and there was Belgian Congo, which is the one that was Kinshasa. Right. And then there was French Congo, which is the one with the capital, Brazzaville. And that's where they killed 14,000 Africans died just building that one railroad.

And the Africans were not allowed to use the train. Who's real line that they built? Yeah, so I just wanted to point out, there were so many missing things in this article. said, you know what, let me take a look. Who killed somebody in resistance and then names their own city after that person? No, no, it was just too much for me.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:14.083)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:18.844)
Nope.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:24.997)
And.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:38.506)
then buries them in a sacred place and then honors them. But again, I don't know what has been passed down generationally because really they need to dig up those bones, desecrate them.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:51.679)
No, no, no, no, actually, I wrote that in my note. I said it should be relocated away from the ancestral, you know.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:54.932)
I'm out.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:12:01.075)
Yes, blast them out. Take that poison away from your community. But let me say this, because we should always learn from history. When you talked about the Senegalese who came to fight against their own brothers and sisters, thinking they're going to gain whatever, people of Opovo, which is my ancestral homeland, went and fought on behalf of the British against their shanty. Defeated their shanty.

And then when the British were done with King Jadavah Pobel, guess where he was tried? He was tried in Ghana, not too far from the place where he helped to defeat the Ashanti's. And there was no one there to fight for him. And he got deported. So black Republicans, who think you are fighting for your master and they are going to take care of you? Let me tell you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:33.009)
Shantyland.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:12:55.53)
History has shown us time and time again. They will use you, yes, to destroy some who look like you. And when they are done with you, they will destroy you too. So learn, learn and do not be used. What ever little game, what's his name? King Jaja got a sword and a red coat.

Milton Allimadi (01:13:06.61)
Right. We'll be discarded.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:11.667)
Yeah. I'm probably, I'm probably say you liked it as well.

Milton Allimadi (01:13:24.626)
Wow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:25.544)
and a letter from the Queen of England.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:28.093)
Yeah, well decorated.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:29.758)
that he wore with a lot of pride until they were done with him. Stop fighting for your masters against your own.

Milton Allimadi (01:13:36.884)
Who better couldn't help him.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:41.619)
And speaking of bearing of this people in ancestral land, guess who else is buried on spiritual land in Africa? You can make it up. Sesu Rhodes is buried in Matumba Park in Zimbabwe.

Milton Allimadi (01:13:43.362)
and the coat couldn't help me either.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:47.432)
No!

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:14:02.25)
I knew you were gonna call that name. I knew you were gonna call that name.

Milton Allimadi (01:14:10.02)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:10.765)
It is the ancestral land to the in the belly. You cannot.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:14:17.098)
because they're representatives of white Jesus and we cannot desecrate white Jesus.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:23.601)
Well, I mean, it's sometimes you've got the most in between the so-called Lake Victoria Falls. Just dig up the bones and just toss it in the river. And it will stop whatever it needs to, you know, that kind of thing. But, you know, I guess my people just.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:14:45.938)
need African spiritualists to get to work. That's what I have to say.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:48.975)
Yeah, just go dig the thing. Dig them up, man. Shovel. Shovels. Final, final take. For everyone here, if this is your first time, do like, share, subscribe and do all the good stuff. The audio version of this will be available on all major audio podcast platforms tomorrow. And yes, bring, bring one, bring all. And for our final story is...

Milton Allimadi (01:14:49.412)
truth.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:18.191)
a bit, this strikes at the heart of Africa. And it's going to be a quick one. It's titled from the Guardian. It's African football chiefs accused of not consulting fully on controversial Afcon change. And for those who are not aware of what Afcon is, it's the African football confederation competition. So tournaments, well, the tournament at the moment is played twice.

is played every two years. It's now supposed to be played every four years from 2028. Federation denies that use is breached in making decision. so the lead reads, the Confederation of African Football, CAF, has been accused of pushing through its controversial decision to stay the African Cup of Nations, AFKON, every four years without properly consulting member federation.

Here is the key part I would like people to concentrate on. Constant Omari, a former CAF vice president, believed the consequences of African football would be severe. First of all, AFKON is the biggest source of income for CAF, he said. Secondly, having CAF, AFKON every two years allowed host countries to build real infrastructures that has helped the development of football. For our reality, AFKON every two years helped local players stay competitive. Omari said the plan to make AFKON every four years was first raised

openly by Infantino. And people remember Infantino is the guy who gave Trump his Medal of Peace. At a CAF seminar in Morocco in 2020, Gianni gave the speech in front of all African FA presidents. He said officially that Afghans should move every four years in the future and the process must be started before that we are fighting against it. And so knowing that an inf

An European has come in now to tell you how to run your house, even though CAF was founded in 1950. AFKON started in 1957. How does that make you feel? Who wants to go first? Comrade, you're a football fan?

Milton Allimadi (01:17:34.039)
Sure. mean, to be honest, I actually endorse the move. I think, yes, and I'll you why. Not because this European suggested it, but without him, I had already been thinking, even before this story, a couple of weeks ago, when the African couple of nations, the one that just ended, Afkom, came up. And I said, wait a minute, wasn't there?

Adesoji Iginla (01:17:42.033)
Hmm. OK.

.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:01.127)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:18:03.999)
something just a few months ago in South Africa. And then I realized that one is, that one was the African Nations Championship, which is for national teams in African countries, but with players who do not play in foreign leagues, don't play in the European League, for example, or any other international league, but they play for the national team. And then the one that just ended in Morocco,

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:08.765)
No, to the what?

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:14.245)
leak. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:18:33.767)
is for any good player for an African nation, whether they play domestically in Africa or whether they play in international league. So that's a second tournament. And then I think there's a third one for African clubs, know, exactly domestic football clubs, you know, like we have all over African countries. So those are three. And then in addition to that, we have the World Cup every four years.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:40.338)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:45.107)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:49.245)
Yeah, Champions League.

Adesoji Iginla (01:18:55.335)
Yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:19:01.319)
Yeah. OK.

Milton Allimadi (01:19:02.848)
So I had been thinking even before this article many weeks ago that we have too many competitions. And rather than improving the quality of play, it may be too much on the bodies of these athletes. So for example, that's why, you know, in this country, they have professional league. They take long periods of seal run where the body is healing and then they resume training.

Adesoji Iginla (01:19:21.467)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:19:26.877)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:19:32.02)
And then the league begins again, like basketball, same thing. Baseball, the same thing. Football, the same thing. It takes its toll on these professional athletes because they play at a very high level of competition. So I don't see anything wrong with having this tournament every four years instead of every two years, because in other words, it would still translate to two years anyway. Their training...

in two years to play for AFKON, they're training for another two years to play for the World Cup. So if it's in between years, not in the same year. So for example, this year, you have AFKON just ended in Morocco, a few months time we're going to have the World Cup in the United States. So they should be staggered. If you're having, for example, this is 2026, you have the World Cup, let the next AFKON be 2028. And it means the next World Cup is going to be...

Adesoji Iginla (01:20:24.337)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:20:31.637)
2040. The next off-court is going to be 2042. So stagger it that way so that the athletes are resting their bodies. That was my main thought. And then the criticism is that, this is our main revenue source for African countries and all that. Well, apparently the money is not going to the teams. I'm always hearing stories about African players for their national team going on strike because they're not being paid. Isn't that true?

Even the Morocco team, I think there was an issue with Morocco. There's an issue with the Cameroon team the other day, Ivory Coast. So the argument that, this is going to diminish the revenue, I don't buy it because apparently the revenue is not going to the right place anyway.

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:02.131)
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:17.747)
Okay sister. It's football. It's not soccer. It's football.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:21:20.682)
Full transparency. When I first saw this article, I'm like, what the hell am I talking about soccer about? Listen, no, no, no. Haven't said that. I grew up playing soccer and I, yes, I played soccer. even coached soccer. I get it. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:21:33.362)
Aha!

Adesoji Iginla (01:21:33.551)
It's football. It's No football. Hello, hello, hello people. It's football. It's not soccer. Thank you. Thank you all.

Milton Allimadi (01:21:37.813)
Yeah, you had court soccer too.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:21:43.562)
Okay, okay, let me rephrase. I played football growing up in Nigeria, yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:21:46.428)
Sister, sister, sister, sorry, let me rob your time a little bit. I coach both boys and I coach women's soccer. And I coach women's team for three years. We have identical record every year. Eight win, no loss, two ties. The boys team was a bit mixed. Maybe like eight wins, three losses. But I'll tell you this, the women actually, I don't know whether it's a...

Agenda thing or what have you but I'm speaking from experience. They respond to coaching The guys are like they respond maybe maybe 75 to 80 percent because What can you know that? don't know right but the women if you draw up a plan they executed as discussed and I would like to say that perhaps that's contributed to their good record as well

Milton Allimadi (01:22:44.226)
Go ahead.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:22:44.779)
So I I wouldn't I did not coach at that level I coached my Children's soccer teams. So yeah, I call it soccer because we're in the US at the time But yes when I played I played in Nigeria and we played when you know based on resources It was shirts and shirtless. That was that that's how you distinguish the teams So I was young enough that I could you know, I could play shirtless as well but you know great cuz you could just go out and have fun just the ball and

Adesoji Iginla (01:23:02.387)
Yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:23:03.163)
This is it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:23:13.191)
Yeah. Yeah. And run.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:23:15.978)
You know and your parents are not worried about where you are what you're doing. so I saw all of that to say yes I understand the importance of the sport however, just in the large scheme of everything that is That Africa is faced with at this time. It was also just like really is this what I want to discuss So let me put that aside Haven't said that though the some some of the issues that keep coming up is yes

I agree with you, comrade, in terms of let's look at these things for ourselves and say what makes sense. But it's where we are not making these decisions for ourselves and where we are waiting for other people to tell us what we should do based on what works for them. That's my concern. We also know that we have a lot of talent in Africa.

Milton Allimadi (01:23:56.365)
All

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:24:10.034)
And because we have not properly figured out how to harness that talent, these young people end up a different form of slavery, working in Europe and in Asia and in these Arab countries under conditions where, yes, they may be making really good money, but they are also just having their self-esteem battered, their humanity questioned on a daily basis. And why?

Milton Allimadi (01:24:18.508)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:24:21.947)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:24:37.406)
because their continent will not, our continent will not take care of us and provide those opportunities for us. Can you imagine if we got all of these brothers playing for all of these other clubs and we were able to provide that infrastructure? So I would like to see where we are actually talking about believing in ourselves and having a game plan for not just being a farm where other people come and pick us off.

Adesoji Iginla (01:24:41.139)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:24:50.317)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (01:25:01.747)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:25:08.739)
Use us where they want us and then discard us and we are making money for them. We are generating funds for them and those those resources never come back to help our young people to create the schools and the academies where they are growing their minds as well as having facilities where they can train their bodies where we can afford to pay physical therapists and we have good health, it's struck, you know, infrastructure and so on and so forth.

Adesoji Iginla (01:25:16.531)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:25:38.164)
So those are the things that concerned me as I read through this. And then just the fact that I don't know who got paid what, but to the extent that you have an organization, you have an entity and some people can make the decision and everybody is kept out. But then those people who are kept out seemingly don't have a voice, have not figured out how they can. You are in the majority and your players. If this is something that you don't agree with, you're going to just roll over and play dead.

We have to learn how to stand up for what we want. So those are just some of the my initial, know, when I, when I went through this, just the initial take, but you know, Africa, we have a lot more issues at stake here. Although even this issue with, with soccer is since it's a symptom of some of the other issues that we're dealing with, but we need to come back to our resources, our talent.

Adesoji Iginla (01:26:27.825)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:26:35.604)
How do we harness it for our own good and not just always to be for the entertainment and the use for other people because as they have shown us, might is right. And they have no qualms about taking everything that they can because they do not see us as human in the first place.

Milton Allimadi (01:26:58.78)
So based on what he said, let me just add one other thing. She said something very important and how to empower our own leagues, domestic leagues in our countries. You know, here in the United States, and I don't remember the history too well, but very vaguely, and I think it was actually a black player. think his last name was Flood, a baseball player. He was important in the founding

Adesoji Iginla (01:26:59.323)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:27:28.197)
of free agency because he said, why are all these clubs making all the big money? And I am, we are the athletes sacrificing our body all these years. So he would refuse to play if the salary was just being discussed among the lead, the owners of the teams. said, I want to negotiate directly with each team.

So I'm not locked up to one team. I can go and negotiate with any team. And that's how fee agency, I believe, began. And the salaries just astronomically escalated. And if they're willing to pay you astronomical relative of what you're making, it means they were making astronomical amount relative to what you were making for many years. So sister, you said they may be paid well, but the teams also make a lot more money.

Adesoji Iginla (01:28:09.981)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:28:22.227)
Sure.

Milton Allimadi (01:28:29.509)
I think we should have our version of, as I said, his last name was Flood, say, I'm not going to play for you unless you give this amount to my home football confederation as a bonus. The bonus, I want my own bonus, right? But I want a bonus for my home football confederation as well. And that's how they will really make impact domestically within their own countries. So I think...

Adesoji Iginla (01:28:37.267)
caught flood. in the.

Milton Allimadi (01:28:59.31)
I thought of that as I was listening to what you were saying.

Adesoji Iginla (01:29:04.659)
Okay, yeah, which regards to the agency part of it. There was a case in the early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. It's called the Bosman Rule, where a Belgian player took the overall football club's UEFA to court. A court of appreciation that a player in the last year of his contract can be allowed to speak to any player

any club and take 100 % of the money. So that became a rule. Now back to the African Cup of Nations. The African Cup of Nations is not a competition. People just see the football and think about just the football. It's actually a festival of culture itself because it brings all this continent. It brings the entire people of the continent together and showcased what makes each of this body of people

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:29:57.482)
Adesoji Iginla (01:30:04.701)
different. And you can see that on play every time you watch, what's it called, every time you watch the African Cup of Nations, you saw key events about setting group of people. The last one was the showcasing of a gentleman who stood for 90 minutes, you know, holding the position of Patrice Lumumba. And he went viral with that. And that became the face of that competition. I'm not saying

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:30:27.86)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:30:33.971)
Obviously, we can't look at the impact of too much football matches on the players. The problem is Europe has been trying for the past four decades to get African, to get calf to go to the four year format. Now that they've gotten somebody who is leading the

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:30:56.683)
So.

Adesoji Iginla (01:31:01.191)
Confederation of African Football, a very compliant person, to agree they've effectively just cornered the others and told them this is what you're doing and there is no other matter to it. One final thought on the entire thing.

They not only do that, but prior to them doing that, they've already told, they've agreed that every football competition or match sanctioned by FIFA, you are allowed to release the players 14 days. That's two weeks before the match. They've cut that down to seven days. Going against even FIFA's rule. So you begin to see that this is not just about the players. This is about

them controlling the narrative. And so I would want calf to push back.

Milton Allimadi (01:31:51.57)
I'm still not hearing any argument refuting my position in terms of the impact on the athletes. I mean, I never played professional, but I played some, you know, they call what, say, my college or something. And it does take impact. And this is not even professional. So because, you know, they train in the gym, they train in the gym, they do road work, they run, you know, it is really, it takes, the long run, it shortens the professional lifespan.

Adesoji Iginla (01:32:00.964)
Okay, okay.

Adesoji Iginla (01:32:09.467)
Okay. Okay. I will.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:32:22.141)
That's why we have very few players like Roger Mila, who played till he was like almost 40.

Adesoji Iginla (01:32:22.981)
Okay. okay. So, so the pushback would be this. The pushback would be this. In Europe, in Europe, they've got the European Cup, which they play every four years. In between that, they've got the Nations League. They played every two years. They play Champions League every year. They've got club conferences. I mean, they're not the same clubs, playing them obviously.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:32:46.09)
you

Adesoji Iginla (01:32:53.277)
but they've also got their local leagues. So you're reducing the football played in Africa, but yet they're still showing up for the same, even if not more amount of football in Europe. Make that make sense. Yes. Make that make sense. Okay. Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (01:33:07.625)
and they're being paid in Europe. And we are not being paid in Africa.

Milton Allimadi (01:33:16.417)
No, really, listen, I think it is bit too much. You have every two years, Afghan, and then you're supposed to prepare for the World Cup. In fact, one could argue that that's maybe one of the reasons we've never won the World Cup, because our players are never rested enough to play at that top level. By the time the World Cup comes, they've been playing in all these other leagues.

Adesoji Iginla (01:33:41.405)
So, okay, so we can make the same excuse. I mean, I don't want to make comparison. can then.

Milton Allimadi (01:33:47.711)
I cannot disrepute your excuse. You say Europeans play too much and yet they win the World Cup. They win the World Cup because they field much many more teams than we do. It will feel this.

Adesoji Iginla (01:33:55.917)
I'm saying we can make the same excuse for England. England plays...

Milton Allimadi (01:34:01.309)
No, but I just answered that question. said Europeans. How many European teams are in the World Cup? Out of the total.

Adesoji Iginla (01:34:06.877)
They're about, okay, they're now 48. It's a 48 team format. So they've got about, I think 24.

Milton Allimadi (01:34:13.599)
Okay, so if Africans have 24, they can play every day. One of them would win. They have the system rigged against us. And I think our best bet is to improve the quality of our players, but don't overplay them. Once we have as many teams as they field,

Adesoji Iginla (01:34:17.971)
Africa is never going to get 24 teams. And it goes back to you.

Milton Allimadi (01:34:37.727)
Play them every day if you want. We can debate.

Adesoji Iginla (01:34:41.075)
Okay. Listen, I know where I stand.

Milton Allimadi (01:34:46.175)
I I know many Africans don't like the fact that the president of FIFA is this European guy who made this suggestion. But I wish it had been made by an African actually. So I can understand that part. Because we saw his conduct in the Afghan. He was pro-Morocco. He was against, you and you're the president of FIFA, you're supposed to appear to be neutral and impartial.

and you're celebrating for one of the teams, Morocco, against Senegal. And then now you're banning Senegal because the coach had them walk out for a little bit. They came back and they played. And Morocco, had they scored the penalty, they would have won. They missed the penalty. Senegal did not miss the penalty for them, you know? So understand that part. I don't like him either. I don't like him. Infanta, you know, I detest him.

Adesoji Iginla (01:35:35.283)
And.

Adesoji Iginla (01:35:40.659)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:35:41.317)
He showed his racism and his bias, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (01:35:46.94)
Thank you, thank you, thank you. And with that, we've come to the end of another African News Review. Hopefully you all found value in our discussion. And I can only tell.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:36:00.683)
Karen says help sports talk has taken over. Yes, we are going to have an African's review in person and Each of us will have a soccer team and we are going to play best of three and see who whose team comes out on top No, just penalty kicks just penalty kicks

Adesoji Iginla (01:36:06.427)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:36:19.613)
Thank

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:36:25.236)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (01:36:25.779)
No, I insist on two years. That said, we've come to the end of African News Review. And sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:36:42.378)
It's always a pleasure to be in conversation with you two brilliant gentlemen and with our whole community. And I just want to encourage all of us. We've been through worse, and we're still here. And so we will survive this and we will thrive as well. We just need to keep fighting.

Adesoji Iginla (01:37:03.795)
Well, speaking of Survive Through This, next week, Saturday, we're going to start the first of our series of book talk, Pre-colonial Black Africa. Join us. That will be at 3 PM Eastern Standard Time on Saturday.

the 30. So to join us, we're going to be discussing how it all began, how we were before then. That's one. And then two would be in the course of the week, we're going to be looking at Anna Julia Cooper as part of our continuous series of Women and Resistance. The Good Sister and I will be doing that. So yeah, join us.

for Women and Resistance, Wednesday, 7 PM Eastern Standard Time, Anna Julia Cooper. And on Saturday, the first of our series of book talk, it's going to be Greek colonial black Africa, Cheke Atediop. yes, until then, thank you and God bless, sister. Final thoughts? OK, yes. And good night and God bless.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:38:33.172)
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