EP 8 Another Attempt on Traoré?! Maduro's African Angle and Stop Tourism I African News Review 🌍

In this conversation, Host Adesoji Iginla, alongside Aya Fubara Eneli Esq. (Milton Allimadi was called away), delves into the depiction of Africa in the Western Media.

The panel examines various pressing issues affecting Africa, including political dynamics in the upcoming Uganda Election, and how foreign interests play a role in determining the outcome. 

The cultivation of law enforcement violence from colonial and post-colonial engagement with previous colonial masters also came up in the discussion

In light of the serial attempts on the life of the Burkinabe Leader, Capt. Ibrahim Traore, Adesoji, and Aya explore the historical context of coup attempts and call for action.

On Africa’s response to situations like Venezuela's President’s kidnapping, the speakers emphasise the importance of sovereignty, the role of African leaders in global politics, and the environmental concerns surrounding tourism in Kenya. 

Finally, they also reflect on the need for collective responsibility and the significance of standing up for truth and justice in the face of oppression.

Takeaways

*The upcoming elections in Texas highlight significant political dynamics.
*Law enforcement violence continues to be a pressing issue in the U.S.
*Coup attempts in Africa often have historical roots and implications.
*The death of individuals in ICE custody raises concerns about accountability.
*International responses to events in Venezuela reflect geopolitical interests.
*African leaders must navigate complex relationships with global powers.
*Tourism development can threaten local ecosystems and livelihoods.
*The importance of collective responsibility in addressing societal issues.
*Historical figures in Africa serve as reminders of the ongoing struggle for liberation.
*Silence in the face of injustice does not protect us.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to African News Review
01:03 Texas Primary Elections and Political Dynamics
04:42 The Impact of ICE and Law Enforcement Violence
06:34 Coup Attempts in Burkina Faso and Historical Context
20:36 International Law and Sovereignty in Africa
21:02 US Intervention in Venezuela and African Responses
34:36 International Law and Sovereignty
37:12 Media Narratives and Sanctions
39:31 Global Reactions and Historical Context
41:41 The Nature of Power and Control
43:47 U.S. Withdrawal from International Organisations
50:13 Uganda's Political Landscape
57:05 The Impact of Governance on Society
01:01:14 Tourism and Environmental Concerns

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:07.802)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to African News Review. I am your host, Adesuji Iginla, and welcome to another conversation about Africa as seen in the Western media. And with me, as usual, are my two co-conspirators, as they would say. Now is Aya Fubera and Eli Esquire, author, Kwanzaa is Celebration.

host Rethinking Freedom, 98.5 FM Killeen, Texas, and co-host of Women and Resistance. Welcome, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (00:44.835)
Thank you so much.

Adesoji Iginla (00:46.828)
And the gentleman, where do we even begin? Well, host Black Star News, WBAI 99.5 FM, New York, offer of manufacturing hates, comrade Milton Alima.

Milton Allimadi (01:01.406)
Santisana. Caribou. Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04.528)
Yeah, welcome, welcome. So let's get into it. News where you're at, please. Let's begin with a good

Milton Allimadi (01:13.846)
Go ahead, system.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:16.366)
I thought he was starting with you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:17.97)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:18.239)
No, no, we are all comrades.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:24.441)
The news continues with the upcoming primary elections in Texas. And we have some very important races coming up. One of, think, the most important ones in Texas is who will be the Democratic representative for Senate, and then also on the Republican side, whether it will be Ken Paxton.

Adesoji Iginla (01:28.837)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:51.513)
who had gone through impeachment in the Senate here and despite overwhelming evidence of all his wrongdoings was cleared nonetheless. And he's running against Senator Cornyn who is definitely a Trump supporter, a MAGA white nationalists, but he's incredibly enough.

to the left of Ken Paxton, who made his career suing Biden every step of the way for every single thing. And so it'll be interesting to see who.

Milton Allimadi (02:24.059)
Interesting.

Adesoji Iginla (02:35.432)
trying to make a name for himself.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:38.424)
The Republicans choose in light of everything that's going on just how far they want to go and there's definitely blood in the water and we've seen how vicious Republicans are to each other when they decide to primary someone that they feel Trump has not supported. I have not checked to see whether Trump has come out and endorsed Paxton, although I would expect that he would.

because his politics are definitely even more so aligned with Trump than Cornyn who every once in a while will vote as though he is a human being. So that's on the Republican side. And then of course, on the Democratic side, we have James Talarico versus Jasmine Crockett. Some of you may have seen Jasmine Crockett.

the Congresswoman recently speaking about the murder of Renee Goode and getting emotional about it. Emotions are things that we all have and should have otherwise we become robots. And there was more outrage because she in using a quote used the F-bomb.

There was more outrage about that F-bomb versus the actual murder of a woman who posed no threat to these modern day Ku Klux Klan members parading as ICE. People should really ask themselves why law enforcement requires masks, why they have masks on and are obscuring their identity.

Milton Allimadi (04:01.831)
All right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:24.4)
And James Salarico happens to be a white male. He happens to quote scripture a lot. He does fight for humanity, but we see racism and misogyny at play. And again, it will be interesting to see whether in spite of how much work Jasmine Crockett has already done.

Milton Allimadi (04:34.598)
Thank

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:50.558)
in Congress, the U.S. Congress, whether enough of us are invested enough in what's going on to one, come out and vote because the primaries don't usually have a great turnout, and two, whether we're going to choose her as the candidate to represent us.

Adesoji Iginla (04:54.416)
or that that translates.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (05:11.992)
or whether we're going to choose James Tallarico who is male and white and quote-unquote Christian and maybe more palatable to some palates.

Adesoji Iginla (05:30.312)
Okay, good comrade.

Milton Allimadi (05:30.904)
All right, yeah, Sister's touched on the other issue also that I wanted to mention, actually, the execution. So I don't have to say much about that, except for the fact that, you know, so it was obvious that something like this was going to happen at some point. We just didn't know which city it would be. But because when you give, as Sister said, you're allowed to...

cover, you know, so that you're not identifiable or recognizable like bandits do when they're about to, you know, rob a bank, correct? And the language, the license to kill, the rhetoric that is coming from the administration was just a question of time. Now there are two things. Are they going to learn any lesson from this? And the answer is obviously no. You've heard what

Adesoji Iginla (06:10.31)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (06:29.38)
what the president himself said, complete falsehood that they were literally coming toward him to kill, you know, this ICE agent.

Adesoji Iginla (06:41.467)
agent.

Milton Allimadi (06:43.896)
So the answer is no, which means, unfortunately, we're going to see more of this kind of incident. And then at some point, there would be consequences. There will be some sort of implosion. Because I doubted that people are just going to be watching people get getting shot point blank, know, cold blooded killing multiple times and that nothing would happen. So that's the operation I to make. And also just want to give a little heads up, of course, that I told you earlier.

Adesoji Iginla (07:08.466)
Mm-mm.

Milton Allimadi (07:13.54)
to our esteemed viewers and listeners that at some point I may have to leave prematurely because I have somebody who's in hospital. So when that person calls, I may have to leave today's podcast. So I just don't want listeners and viewers to be surprised by that. All right, thank you. I'm ready.

Adesoji Iginla (07:33.681)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (07:34.732)
I should note this that although Renee Good's death, rightfully so, has been publicized in the way that it was, I should say, murder, that she, I believe, is the 23rd person killed by ICE. That is not to include those who have died in detention under all kinds of circumstances and are not being investigated.

Milton Allimadi (07:55.906)
running conditions.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:02.665)
That there is no transparency With where people have taken how they are treated whether they get the medical care that they need People are being murdered we heard the Recording from the ice agent himself who was recording on his personal phone Not even on the body cam what is going on there and after shooting her he called her an effing bitch

Milton Allimadi (08:11.246)
Good points, good points.

Milton Allimadi (08:31.076)
Thank

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:32.168)
and you hear all the venom and the vitriol and if you have ever been in a domestic violence situation or know people who have, you can hear that rage when a person feels they are losing control and they've got a huge hole.

Milton Allimadi (08:48.61)
Okay, very good. I'm glad you said that because now what we need to do is examine some of his past interactions, not only with the public, but even at home. So I'm glad you brought that out. That's very critical.

Adesoji Iginla (09:03.596)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And yeah, one of the audience, Peggy Miller also said, don't forget the young man that was killed in California by an off duty ICE agent after I heard them shooting in celebration in the street.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:05.44)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:20.96)
Yeah, yeah, just executed him. There's another young man who is the father of two young children and he was shot in the neck. I believe attorney Merritt is on that case and is leading the investigation. And the fact that the federal government is refusing to cooperate with local law enforcement there

Milton Allimadi (09:46.773)
Think about that.

Adesoji Iginla (09:48.818)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:48.843)
icing out pun intended the state apparatus the local apparatus Because this is all a cover-up. So these these ice is Basically the way I see it Trump's personal army Sent out

Milton Allimadi (10:04.93)
Of course.

Adesoji Iginla (10:05.65)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (10:08.194)
to enforce.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (10:11.286)
his laws and he has made it clear he is a law unto himself, not the US Constitution, not international law. The only morality that counts is whatever he thinks. And if any of you watched the latest, his meeting with the oil executives, in the middle of the meeting, he gets up, walks over to the window, loses his train of thought, starts talking about a view, so on and so forth.

Adesoji Iginla (10:29.404)
hold on to that, hold on to that, hold on to that.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (10:40.83)
after claiming that they've pledged $100 billion in these executives to their credit, sitting in the room saying, we pledge no such thing and we have no intentions of going into Venezuela. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (10:42.975)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (10:52.09)
Right, right, right. Here's my prediction. This is not an easy job. I think we discussed this previously and I said it's not an easy job. No matter how laid back you want to be, there's some decisions you have to make personally. You're going to be working up at odd hours. At this level, it's going to be very difficult to continue for three years. We already seen the stress, the consequences

Adesoji Iginla (10:53.828)
You

Adesoji Iginla (11:18.696)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (11:29.156)
Okay, okay, okay. that's so, unfortunately, hey, you won't have to join us any further, but we are in capable hands and the sister and I will pass through today's stories. speaking of which, let's go to the first and it's from the BBC and it's that this gentleman has survived another.

attempt on his life. So the BBC reports that plot to kill Burkina Faso leader foiled said Yohonta. It goes in a little bit further it says a plot to kill Burkina Faso's military leader Captain Ibrahim Traore has been touted. The West African nation has announced the sophisticated plan had been hatched by Lieutenant Colonel Paul Henry Damiber, the military officer ousted by Traore in September 2022.

the security minister said in the late night broadcast. I'll just read this quote. Our intelligence services intercepted the operation in the final hours. They had planned to assassinate the head of state and strike other key institutions, including civilian personalities, said Maamadou Sanaa, further alleging that the plot had been funded by neighboring Ivory Coast or Cote d'Ivoire, as they choose to be called. So sister, when you read the story,

What were your thoughts and your initial thoughts and then what you came away with?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (13:05.184)
Well, we know that this ongoing fight for Africa did not start today. I think part of the reason that you don't see more uprising, more quote unquote resistance, rebellion in this way as they would couch it is because of the way that they fight back.

whether we look at Sankara, Lumumba, Steve Biko, Emelta Cabral, Walter Rodney, Malcolm X in the United States, Hampton, you know, we can go on and on and on that whenever we rise up and fight for our liberation, although they will tout, give me liberty or give me death, liberation is only for white people. But when Black, Brown,

Adesoji Iginla (13:53.276)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (13:55.587)
people when women rise up and say, we want our liberation, we will take our liberation, they come at us with all forces. So beyond the shadow of a doubt, he understands that these attacks will be ongoing. We know from history that typically they find people within our own communities that for whatever reasons they're able to.

used as puppets to carry out their will. And I'm glad that he survived this. It's not the first coup attempt, not the first, you know, attempt on his life that he has survived. Unfortunately, there probably going to be more and I'm just praying for his safety.

Adesoji Iginla (14:25.682)
Yep. Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (14:45.32)
I mean to add a bit of background to what you just said, yes, this was not the first one, certainly won't be the last. And the reason is his mentor or the person he looks up to, Thomas Sankara, actually survived five. And the fact that when they finally got to him, the call also came from Cote d'Ivoire.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (15:11.256)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (15:11.976)
And then it was the French intelligence network using the man next to him, Blaise Campaure, who happened to be his best friend, his father's adopted son, who will do that to him. He was also Blaise Campaure's best man at his wedding, which I mean, yeah, which also happened in Côte d'Ivoire. The wedding happened in Côte d'Ivoire.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (15:26.872)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (15:34.422)
Wow.

Adesoji Iginla (15:40.88)
Bless Campari at the time was married to the niece of the Cote d'Ivoire president, Félix Hufubwanyi. And so Campari and Sankara went there and the rest, as they say, was history. October 15, 1987, he would execute his coup, assassinate his friend, and then had the temerity to dump his friend in a

refuse being. It was the people that gathered the body and dug graves that buried Thomas Sankara. So his final resting place was not his initial resting place. It was only when this government came in and decided, you know what, we have to give him a befitting burial, that it was relocated. And we've seen history of this across Africa.

We talk about Patrice Lumumba earlier, Muaman Gaddafi, Sivi Olympio in Togo, who, again, was coup was organized, financed by the French. He escaped into the American embassy at the time. The Americans pushed him out, and he was assassinated in the streets.

What can we think of the world? And I also want...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:10.488)
What I would say to all of us, know, because again talk is cheap and Trial rate is an example of someone who's putting his literal life on the line and Some might say this is easier, you know said than done easy for me to say this speaking from the comfort of my home in Texas But here's the deal None of us is gonna live forever And the question is

Adesoji Iginla (17:13.384)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (17:37.082)
Of course not.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:39.991)
Are we going to live standing, die standing, or are we going to live and die on our knees? In the sense of kowtowing, appealing to the morality of people who have shown you over and over again, they have no morality.

Adesoji Iginla (17:59.048)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:59.351)
And of course, what we see, you look at Steve Biko, for instance, you look at Thomas Sankara that we've evoked a number of times today, many others that we've shared over the year when we talk about issues of Africa, is that you may kill the body, you may kill the person, you may dissolve the body and all we have left is a tooth.

Adesoji Iginla (18:22.44)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:22.668)
But you do not kill, you cannot kill the spirit. You cannot kill the idea. So Tama Sankara lives on. And so for any of us who are afraid, there are times, know, my family will say, my gosh, you know, be quiet. You know, my mother will call me, hey, listen with what they're doing, you know, be quiet, don't say anything.

Audre Lorde has told us that our silence so as Zora Neale Hurston our silence is not going to save us and so, you know whether I die at a hundred haven't lived a very meek life where I Just did whatever my oppressors wanted me to do and I had no agency or whether I died before my 55th birthday and I stood for something I I would

Adesoji Iginla (18:48.71)
that.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (19:09.802)
I would take standing for something because that fight and that death actually becomes a seed that grows and can produce fruit in a different way in terms of our long-term liberation. But I do not want to forever just be a slave, a willing slave.

Adesoji Iginla (19:31.602)
Hmm. And sometimes it's all you have is your voice. So if you mute yourself, what uses said voice to humanity, you have to try as much as possible to not only read, but also give voice to what you feel, to what you know is not just. This guy has basically been at the tip of the spare for literally

the last three years he's been there. Every other year there has been a tent on him. And so one would ask the question, why him? Well, if you think of the spider web, sometimes it's the joints that is the key part. You just need to cut the key part and then the entire web just breaks apart. So he is playing his role, which is the Sahel states.

are effectively telling you this is what is possible if you kick out a neocolonial interest. And the neocolonial interest would not want a successful model or an example to anybody that has such aspirations of liberation. Because the moment you can see that something has worked somewhere, it becomes a template. And they cannot allow that happen. And what's still

France is bearing the brunt of it. You've got three of them. are literally holding the economy of Spain by the jugular. You've got uranium, you've got gold, and you've got you've got gold gold in both of them in Burkina Faso and Mali. And you've got uranium energy source to the French economy. Basically now

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (21:07.288)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (21:26.0)
you know, looking elsewhere for it and they would have to pay a premium which

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (21:30.456)
as they cycle through prime ministers.

Adesoji Iginla (21:33.746)
Thank you very much, which the great ancestor John Henry Clark would often say, Africa has stuff that nobody wants to pay for. So that said, any final thoughts on that story?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (21:50.327)
Again, our silence will not save us. As a matter of fact, if you stay silent, they kill you and tell you that you liked it. And there's no evidence we haven't spoken up to tell our own stories or to say where we stood on the issues. so.

Adesoji Iginla (21:59.08)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (22:04.959)
Speak up in the ways that you can. I'm not telling anyone to go and sacrifice their lives, so to speak, but it's also examining what kind of lives we're living if we will not speak for truth. And if we cannot stand for truth, how do we expect allies to less of our enemies to care about?

Adesoji Iginla (22:23.362)
Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (22:23.714)
about us. If we don't care about ourselves enough to fight, we say Black Lives Matter. If we don't care enough about our lives, if we don't see that our lives matter enough to fight for it, to put something on the line, to sacrifice whatever our comforts are, then we should not at all be surprised when other people disregard us or treat us as, as they would say, no humans involved.

Adesoji Iginla (22:32.646)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (22:51.62)
evolved, yeah? No humans evolve or sometimes exterminate all brutes, as they would say. For our next story, we go to the German outlet, Deutsche Welle, and it reads Maduro's capture, put a pin in that, sparks African debate. African leaders weigh sovereignty, international law, and strategic interest after the US seized Venezuela president

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (23:13.14)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (23:20.818)
put another pin in that, seized Venezuela's president, Nicolas Maduro, and flew him out of the country. The US military pre-dawn attack on Venezuela on Saturday and the capture of a two, put another pin in that, leader, Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Celia Flores, over alleged drug offenses prompted a swift response from the African Union, where the African Union called upon all parties to exercise restraint responsibility

for international law to prevent any escalation and preserve regional peace and stability, it said in a statement on the situation in Venezuela. But there was one key thing I wanted us to focus on. In outset, strategic ties trumped public condemnation. Nigeria has been relatively quiet, not denouncing US action, dot to DW. Same thing for Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, he said.

And even governments which had a history of some form of anti-imperialist rhetoric, like Namibia, for example, have been pretty quiet. So South Africa, on the other hand, which Trump has accused of alleged discrimination and even genocide of minority white Afrikaans, called the US military action a grave violation of international law. So the question is,

What should be Africa's response and why has it been so baited?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (24:56.96)
Well, I ran out of pins. You kept saying put a pin in that and I ran out of pins. Yeah, yeah, address address your pins because I ran out of pins.

Adesoji Iginla (25:02.244)
Okay, so let's take the pins out one by one. Okay, so when they say, when the news media said, where is it? Where's the first pin? The first pin is the capture. The second pin is seized. The third pin is authoritarian.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (25:18.808)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (25:27.488)
And the fourth and final one is legitimate precedents. OK, so do you want to have a go at them? Or do you want me to explain why I said put pins in them?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (25:37.144)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (25:45.932)
Well,

They have something called habeas carcass under the US law. And so when you go back, go back to that very top, the very, the title.

Adesoji Iginla (25:54.408)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (25:59.368)
Okay, the title says, capture sparks African debates.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (26:03.097)
Capture Sparks African.

We're talking about

a sovereign leader not charged in international court, at least that was not the basis for quote unquote this capture. You use your domestic laws, which international law says that there is a law against charging and diplomats, foreign leaders in that sense with your own domestic laws going into their country. didn't say kidnap.

because all of these things have different connotations and legally mean different things. It's just, we captured him. Meanwhile, let's just be clear, Netanyahu flies in and out of the United States, comes to the White House, Congress, Mar-a-Lago, at will, certainly has been, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (27:02.364)
goes for walks.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:05.388)
has been accused of committing war crimes. We see all the evidence. It's not an allegation. He's not, quote unquote, captured. But you have these trumped up charges against, and I'm not defending Maduro and his suppression and oppression of his people. But you go in and you kidnap him and his wife.

Adesoji Iginla (27:08.634)
and it has an international warrant.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:31.402)
You brutalize his wife and then say she ran into a door.

And somehow this is the title that comes up. And then when it's saying that African leaders are weighing sovereignty and international law and strategic interests, I'm not really sure where, what the basis of that statement is. Cause I really haven't seen any evidence that publicly that they are weighing anything. We see the strident comments that came out of South America, South Africa.

But that is really the only African country that has really come out and strongly opposed what is happening.

And so I don't know what debate it's saying that leaders, African leaders are having weighing sovereignty. I think when you go back to the creation of the African Union, which I believe was in 1968, at that point, what African leaders did in opposition to Kwame Nkrumah and his vision of a United States of Africa was they essentially codified

Adesoji Iginla (28:30.408)
63.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (28:43.936)
what happened in the Berlin conference. They essentially accepted the arbitrary carving up of Africa and decided these are the rules within which we will operate.

and we have been at a disadvantage ever since. And so what debate on sovereignty are you possibly going to have now when you cannot work as a collective? And as we are saying this, mind you, Rubio and Trump have been very active, not just signing this so-called peace deal in the Sudan.

but also in now signing 14 memorandums of understanding with 14 African countries. And so if Comrade Milton was here, he would start off by saying,

Adesoji Iginla (29:37.412)
on understanding.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (29:53.835)
We have no sovereignty. We have no independence. So just to begin there, what are you people talking about? But please carry on. Why did you put a pin in it?

Adesoji Iginla (29:56.552)
You

Adesoji Iginla (30:02.396)
Okay.

Okay, yes. So you actually went there. So let me stop sharing. When you said they signed a memorandum of understanding, let's look at the quote unquote the invasion of the invasion and violation of Venezuela's sovereignty. When Trump went in there, they didn't hide why they went in there. What did they say? They said they

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:26.966)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (30:34.548)
oil, the oil, and they have companies ready to go in. Where does that sound familiar? It sounds familiar in Africa because as you said the Berlin conference which happened 1884 between November 1884 to February 1885, we're actually in the longest month in the course of said meeting where Africa was effectively carved out

But here is the kicker that most people do not focus on. It was carved out so that those countries can sell concessions to companies to come into Africa and exploit. That is where you have your Royal African Company, your East African Company, your British South African Company, Sessu Road, which gives us the bears, the bears that has the only

company that has the right in the world to sell diamonds, you had. Now, the United States is doing the same thing in Venezuela, hoping that American companies will go in to exploit the oils, the oil in Venezuela. And what did the chief executive said? We have no interest in going there to exploit said oil. Why?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (31:37.442)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (32:01.916)
because they know not only is that oil difficult to invest in, you would need a lengthy timeline in order to make it viable. And here is the part that is often hidden away from the world. In 76, when the oil in Venezuela was nationalized. Yeah.

It was nationalized after a referendum with the people. I repeat, it was a referendum that was given to the people and the people said we would nationalize it. When Hugo Chavez came in 98, he gave the companies a reversed deal because the deal at the time was basically

so lopsided in the interest of the foreign interest that he called for a renegotiation and they did. Every one of those companies sat with their deal. Only one company in 1998 signed a deal of continuance and that was Chevron. The rest of them left. So when Trump said they took our oil, it is a figment of his imagination.

Now, how does that come into Africa? We've seen in the last couple of months when we've been doing stories here of companies mining gold in Mali, in Burkina Faso, the uranium in Niger, the oil in Mozambique, oil and gas in Mozambique. But every time these people try to assert their independence,

or their ownership of the resources. The countries scream, but it's not really the companies screaming. It's the shareholders of these concessionary companies who are screaming. So Africa, when Africa is talking about independence, you're not really independent because you have no control over these concessionary companies. So when he said most of these countries were quiet, Kenya, Ethiopia, Nigeria,

Adesoji Iginla (34:27.942)
what is effectively saying is they're beholden to those concessionary companies. And as long as those concessionary companies hold licensing in those countries, they're not going to speak as one voice. So over to you, Zez.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (34:45.036)
Yeah, so just really quickly, I do want to say this for those who might be interested in the legal aspects of this. And as I stated before, Trump has already told us he doesn't care about international law. And so just think about your family or where you work. If there are absolutely no guidelines and one person or some people just get to do whatever they want.

just how much chaos, much pain and suffering will that inflict on everybody else? just some of the rules, the international laws that were violated with this quote unquote capture really is kidnapping of Maduro and his wife, brutalization of his wife. UN charter article two four prohibits, has a prohibition on use of force.

Adesoji Iginla (35:24.018)
Kidnapped.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (35:36.184)
that states must refrain from the threat or use a force against territorial integrity or political independence means nothing to Trump. Not just African countries haven't said much. The European Union has not said much. China, all of these other countries have not said much. Like really the world has been silent on this, right? There was more outrage when Russia invaded Ukraine.

Adesoji Iginla (35:51.826)
I'll come to the European Union after you finish.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (36:05.005)
than with what is going on right now with Venezuela, or even just openly saying, yeah, we're going to extract their resources and the money realized is not even going through, and Americans are not even paying attention to this. It's not even coming in, I thought it was America first. It's not even coming into the coffers of the US Treasury. No, he said it out loud, which is why some of you love him. He's a strong man. He says what he believes. He said it out loud. I will control the money.

And the money is gonna be put in offshore accounts. Really people, really this grifter, this felon who has unpaid bills all around the place, over 21 credible people accusing him of some of sexual abuse, sexual assault, whatever.

This this is who we're just going along with and again I will see how people choose to vote in the primaries Or whether they're just like this is fine with us. Okay, so another un law um un chart charter article 2 1 2 7 customary non-intervention sovereign equality no coercive intervention in another state's domestic affairs, of course, we saw france and nigeria

Insert themselves into the affairs of Benin No comment, right we just Yeah, so the people it may rise up and say we don't want our leaders anymore outside influencers can come in and say no This is who we're keeping in place, which is why maybe most of any is still there All right, then kagami and we can go on be so on. UN Charter article 51 self-defense limits

Adesoji Iginla (37:24.168)
Banner Republic, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (37:29.564)
Yeah, kept it moving.

Adesoji Iginla (37:37.276)
No.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:50.349)
Force allowed only if an armed attack occurs. Venezuela did not attack anybody. If anything, we saw video of civilians just being murdered in the Pacific Ocean, right? Again, very little outrage about that.

There's another law, customer international law, head of state immunity. Sitting heads of states generally enjoy personal immunity from foreign jurisdiction while in office. Now don't even know how Florence got roped into this. And the three charges they have against her, one was owning weapons.

Adesoji Iginla (38:33.487)
Only in weapons,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (38:34.392)
machine guns and other weapons and another one was conspiracy to Access weapons and i'm going wait a second. I thought america is all about the second amendment And everybody's rights to bear arms. So how is she being charged if she really did own? What why is she not allowed to own arms in her own country? No less. Okay? Another law. I ccpr in us is a party to this group

Adesoji Iginla (38:38.588)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (39:03.436)
The arbitrary detention and due process norms. No arbitrary detention is allowed. Fair process and legal basis is required. So how did you become the judge, executioner, everything, and we're just gonna go kill however many dozens of Cuban.

Adesoji Iginla (39:26.088)
Commit murder, commit murder in the course of.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (39:28.94)
Cuban military men, guess, who were guarding the president, bombed some other facilities in Venezuela that is not being widely reported, and quote unquote, detained the president and his wife, a sitting president and his wife. There's another law, aggression. Aggression is the most serious form of illegal force. Legal treatment depends on

Adesoji Iginla (39:34.214)
Yeah, Medical facilities.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (39:55.031)
Forum and jurisdiction so you just bypassed all of the international Law Institutions and just decided I am a law unto myself I have the military capability paid for by us the taxpayers and I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want to and literally Trump is saying who's going to check me boo and so far definitely the African leaders have said not us and the rest of the world

Adesoji Iginla (40:01.224)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (40:25.9)
To a great degree so far, we'll see how it plays out, but so far as saying not us either.

Adesoji Iginla (40:33.026)
And I want to also add this. do a lot of reframing the narrative on here. Another narrative that we need to also help excise is the fact that if you listen to the Western media and when they're reporting on Venezuela, they will often say this. They will say, look at their infrastructure. They've run it into the ground. They can't even maintain their own stuff. How are you going to maintain it when

you literally had had sanctions on Venezuela since 1998. I repeat, you've had sanctions on Venezuela since 1998. How do you expect the country to go out knowing that they use the international currency, which is the dollar, which the US Treasury through said sanctions

holds over the head of anybody that deals with them. So how do you go out and buy anything other than

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (41:39.651)
Same argument for Cuba. You basically punish them, put an embargo. You punish any countries that try to trade with them. And then you turn around and say, look, they're so impoverished. They're so backward. They don't have this and they don't, yes. As though America, if there was an embargo on America for even one Christmas.

Adesoji Iginla (41:45.36)
since 1958.

Adesoji Iginla (41:51.247)
Look, the cans…

Adesoji Iginla (41:55.974)
So you begin to see.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (42:03.427)
how many of the gifts that you got, that you bought, that you gave were made in this United States. And if you couldn't import, right now, the CEO of Ford is saying that they have over 5,000 mechanic jobs. They are offering $120,000 pay for those jobs and they cannot find Americans to fill those jobs.

Adesoji Iginla (42:22.311)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (42:28.53)
There you go.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (42:29.314)
So if there's an embargo, can't bring in your steel, can't, all the things that America purchases, how long will it take for America's infrastructure as well to become outdated and backward? I mean, it already is in many places, which is why Biden had the infrastructure bill, but we're not gonna argue that today.

Adesoji Iginla (42:48.776)
Now, and also going back to when you mentioned the European Union has largely been silent, with the exception of Spain and even Spain qualified it. Spain said, although Maduro is not our cup of tea, this was a violation. Russia also, obviously, because of its adversarial nature, said this is clear violation and should not be allowed to stand.

But I am curious about the United Kingdom government, which went out of its way to actually help them stop a ship that was laden with oil leaving Venezuela, leaving Venezuela and stopping said ship in the middle of the sea. Now, when we're talking about history, this is where it becomes important.

Royal Navy did what they used to do back in the day, which was if we cannot capture your land, anything that is going to set place or coming away from there is considered war booty. And so essentially what they did was revised the old method of sea piracy because stopping a flagship

with no international backing is essentially piracy. again, here is where it comes back to bite them. The moment Trump started talking about Greenland,

which as regions will have it is essentially part of Denmark, the EU then got a bit of backbone and said, we're standing with Denmark. It remains to be seen because two weeks ago, about 10 C-17 planes, military transport planes, landed in RAF Fairfax in the UK. And

Adesoji Iginla (45:02.63)
hints are that that is going to be used as a staging post in order to go and do whatever they need to do in Greenland. So that remains to be seen what transpired thereafter. Any final thoughts?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:14.956)
Well, let me let me say this to all the white nationalists listen No, seriously. Go back to go back to slavery days. If you see a an enslaver

Adesoji Iginla (45:26.728)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:28.588)
who can traffic in the bodies of people, who can sneak out of his house, or sometimes just walk out the front door and go brutalize an enslaved African woman and then come back to your bed. You better believe that that person is brutalizing his own flesh and blood, his own white family.

Adesoji Iginla (45:46.736)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:49.845)
We always get pulled into these white on whites crimes And so for any white nationalists for any white people who are thinking They're just going against the black and brown get rid of those immigrants, you know whites only and so on and so forth Let me tell you

If you guys would leave us alone, we will actually quote unquote go and some of us are there are some who will beg to stay and serve you but some of us will go if you would leave us alone so we can just do our thing and live at peace. But you can't leave us alone. But if you ever did guess what you're going to do. You guys are going to turn on each other because the evil hat knows no bounds. And so for white nationalists who initially was no he just fighting immigrants. You know these black people, these Mexicans, these whatever these shit whole countries.

Now they're coming for Greenland. He's talked about Canada. He wants to be president of the universe. And all of you need to bow down to him, regardless of your skin color, including what's her name in Venezuela, who is asking, who is wanting to share her Nobel Prize with Trump.

Adesoji Iginla (46:57.85)
Maria Machado. Maria Machado.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:00.928)
Machado wants to share a Nobel Prize with Trump and the Nobel Prize committee who I don't know how they came up with that decision to give her the prize to begin with but now they put out a statement saying no the prize cannot be shared transferred so on and so forth giving away so on and so forth but just the the mentality I guess she considers her white skin is going to save her with Trump but I think that there's a bigger issue here that I want to touch on just briefly because I know we have other articles to look at

Adesoji Iginla (47:22.568)
Mm-mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:31.392)
What Trump also did this past week is he withdrew the United States from 31 United Nations organizations and I believe 35 non-UN organizations. I don't know how many of us really paid attention to that strategy that his...

Adesoji Iginla (47:45.8)
That's correct,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:53.633)
Yeah, his international strategy that he laid out. There's a document you can go read in December of 2025.

But basically his reasoning for pulling the United States out of all of these organizations is it does not align with their anti-woke and their anti-diversity initiatives. So very quickly, I just wanted to run through not all, but just some of the organizations that the United States has now pulled out of. So United States is becoming a law onto itself.

And for those of us who are still in this country who have the ability to vote, you get to actively choose starting with the primaries, which way this country goes. Now, I know there's some of you who would say, it implode. It's going to implode anyway and no empire lives forever. But the question is how much harm is done to the world and to our climate? Because regardless of all these lines we've drawn,

Adesoji Iginla (48:43.506)
Of course.

Adesoji Iginla (48:53.128)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (48:53.922)
climate issues impact us all. So it's not a matter of do I have a passport somewhere else because that's not gonna save me somewhere else. Some of the issues that are at play here. So they pulled out of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs.

They pulled out of the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean They pulled out of the Economic and Social Commission for Asia in the Pacific. They pulled out of the Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia and they pulled out of the International Law Commission Commission. They pulled out of the International Residual Mechanism for crime for criminal tribunals Yes, because I'm a criminal. I don't want anything that is going to restrain me in any way, right?

There's no longer the Office of the Special Adviser on Africa because no humans involved. They pulled out the Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary General for children in armed conflict, because we don't care. We will use whomever, including children, to achieve our goals. And if their children being used as soldiers, conscripted as soldiers being trafficked,

Adesoji Iginla (49:42.728)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (49:57.512)
to fight our wars.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:05.078)
Not our business, right? They pulled out of the office of the special representative of the secretary general on sexual violence and conflict. Well, yeah, if you got a whole bunch of pedophiles, if you don't want to show the Epstein files, if you believe in trafficking people, why would you care about sexual violence and conflict? Okay. Which is why Maduro's face is untouched, but his wife's face is brutalized. Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (50:32.028)
My face is yuck.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:34.627)
They pulled out of the Peace Building Commission, because we're the Department of War. They pulled out of the Peace Building Fund. Permanent Forum on People of African Descent. Who are they people? They're not people. They pulled out of the UN Collaborative Program on Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation in Developing Countries, because we don't give a damn. Cut it all down.

Adesoji Iginla (50:38.82)
War.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:00.067)
But listen, anybody watch that movie, I'm not a fan of Dr. Seuss, but he wrote a book called The Lorax. And when my children were younger, we would watch The Lorax. And you see how they cut all the trees down and they're singing songs and then people have to buy oxygen and all of that. And so now you're poor, you can't even breathe, you can't live. So a program to reduce emissions from deforestation, they pulled out of, because that is wokeness.

Adesoji Iginla (51:28.498)
Drill baby drill. Drill baby drill.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:30.133)
Okay, they pulled out of the UN democracy fund. They pulled out of the 24 seven carbon free energy compact. Of course, they proved pulled out of the Paris Convention already. So hey, American companies. Yes, pollutes, whatever, no regulations do whatever they pulled out of the commission for environmental cooperation.

Adesoji Iginla (51:47.528)
Three, four.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:56.59)
They pulled out of the education cannot wait organization. Like seriously? No, because the stupider, yes, I use that word, the stupider we are, the easier it is to control us. They pulled out of the global counter-terrorism forum. Hmm. Well, because we use terrorists to control people like ICE.

They pulled out of the panel on climate change. They pulled, I could go on. They pulled out of the International Institute for Justice and the Rule of Law because we need no laws. They pulled out of the International Solar Alliance and it goes on. People.

You gotta look at what they're doing and we need to stop playing games. I know we often say don't talk about money, don't talk about politics, don't talk about religion. No, if you have any sphere of influence, educate people. I went to a vision building, a vision board party and I may not get invited again.

But these were a group of people, I only knew the hostess, and they made the mistake of asking me a question and I was like, let's talk. Let's talk about your personal vision board that is not in any way connected to the reality of the world that we live in and how you are going to look to participate in or fight for anything other than your personal comfort.

And I went into some things that was some, you know, uncomfortable silence. Like I said, I may not get invited back, but I planted the seeds that I could. People wake up. Wake up, everybody. I can't sing, but y'all might want to go play some Teddy Pantygrass today. All right.

Adesoji Iginla (53:46.536)
OK. Let's go into the next story, which is about democracy, actually. So it says, Uganda election candidates, key issues, and what to know. This is from Dottie Vela. And it says, on January 15 this week, Uganda will elect a new president and members of parliament.

DW breaks down presidential candidates, key issues, and other facts you need to know ahead of the crucial vote. It would have been good if the comrade was here, but we would. He's from Uganda, and he is also familiar with this gentleman, Bobby Wine. So, Uganda, yeah, yeah. So, so.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (54:28.141)
because she is from Uganda.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (54:36.193)
And he cannot go back to Uganda right now under Musepliny. So sacrifices, yes. He's essentially an exile from his home.

Adesoji Iginla (54:46.28)
Yeah, so let's pass this story. So it says, President Yowelly Misveni, 81, who has been in power since 1986, put a pin in that, is running for a seventh term under the ruling National Resistance Movement. Women, apparently, the electorate women constitute approximately 53 %

of registered voters. We hope the women are there, are part of the resistance. A candidate for president must win 50 % plus one vote to avoid a runoff in the country's two round voting system. Uganda has 353 constituencies and it goes and it breaks it down. so what's your thoughts?

Adesoji Iginla (55:41.927)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (55:43.598)
You know, it has been heartwarming to see some of the videos coming out of Uganda. Shout out to the journalists, because many of them are being brutalized in the process of getting word out. The crowd surging at Bobby Wine's campaign rallies have been incredible. They look like.

know, football stadiums and gatherings and things like that. And it's out in the rural areas, in the bushes, you know, people are not sitting there standing, it's dust, it's, and people are out there. Of course, we've seen videos of him being harassed. We know he was arrested. We know that Dr. Berete is right now incarcerated. They have not sent bail for her.

because she is an election observer who was speaking truth to power. What is very concerning with Museveni is where this man started. That this man was actually a revolutionary. He was actually a freedom fighter at one point.

Adesoji Iginla (56:46.888)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (56:54.809)
And I really do believe that we need to study how people go from saying they believe in one thing and actually putting his life on the line. I mean, he was a guerrilla war fighter, if you will. And then getting into position and then being so thoroughly co-opted.

that you believe your way is the only way and then you're propped up by all of these security agreements that you are making with foreign nations. Uganda is landlocked, but it's interesting to know Uganda to the east of Uganda is Kenya, to the north is South Sudan, to the west is Congo, DRC.

Adesoji Iginla (57:41.992)
to the west.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:48.27)
to the southwest is Rwanda and then to the south is Tanzania. And so they really see Uganda as a very strategic nation area to be able to control what is happening in all of these other hotspots. Somalia isn't too far from there. So just for me, just...

Adesoji Iginla (57:56.466)
strategic.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:14.057)
I want to even, and hopefully someone else does it, because I only have so many hours in the day, I want to study, like, what happens? Where did he take that turn in the road and then just decide?

that fighting for the liberation of its people was no longer important and that what was paramount was him keeping power. And so again, when people don't engage in the electoral process, and we see in Uganda, at one point they had 70 % of...

people who could vote who were participating in the electoral process, then went to 60 % and then I think it's just a little over 50 % at this time. And we can say that probably is a lot of suppression that we're seeing happening as well. But when we don't participate, then he was able to change the constitution and take off term limits.

Adesoji Iginla (58:54.632)
50%. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (59:04.85)
Yeah, twice.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:07.351)
Then he was able to change the constitution and now say there are no age limits either. So in other words, I can be president for life because I'm always going to imprison any opposition that shows up. So as Africans, we need to just even examine this. Ella Baker, think might have something to say on this to the extent that I think our religions teach us this idea of a singular savior.

Adesoji Iginla (59:35.431)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:36.245)
And so rather than build institutions, we put our hope in one person. And what that does is that person's head can either be cut off and then the movement dies or that person can be co-opted and the movement dies. It lives in a way that is antithetical to what we want and what we believe. So the elections are on January 15th.

Adesoji Iginla (59:43.026)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (59:55.481)
I say good, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:06.874)
Bobby Wine has not been arrested again, although his life is constantly under attack. The police are out there taking, you guys have to understand what America has done. America and the apartheid movement in South Africa have basically taught the rest of the world how to repress and oppress people. And so African,

law enforcement, that is all Black people, African people, work exactly on the African population the way the police forces work on marginalized communities here in the U.S. And so you see these videos where the police bump somebody and then turn around and beat them up.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:52.336)
nice groups yep

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:04.969)
Spray tear gas in crowds for no reason at all. I mean, they can do whatever they want, kind of like what ICE is doing. What we have done is just taken the model of the colonizers and what they used to do to us. We're now in blackface, but the actions remain the same. is Africans brutalizing Africans. So will the people be able to fight through all of this oppression?

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:09.181)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:28.892)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:33.889)
and all the ways that they are going to be co-opted, they're going to buy votes. I see it in Nigeria all the time. They literally come to poor villages and say, here's a bunch of money and if you vote this way, you get this amount of money. And when you have hungry children, when your stomach is growling, you're like, what do I care?

You take the money to feed so you can live another day and you vote and yet your very vote is ensuring that you're going to stay hungry and impoverished. So hoping for Mussolini's ouster, hoping that even though since 1986, he's been able to co-opt the whole apparatus of governance, that there are enough people who finally say, I don't have to kowtow, but I don't know.

because we see how Trump has been able to co-opt governance systems here in United States of America. And you might be thinking, oh, it's just African dictators. What is happening with Musabani, Bia, all of them, is happening right now in the United States of America.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:42.672)
Yes. And I would start by saying what Malcolm X said at one of his speeches when he said the chickens will eventually come home to roost. Gerard Horne wrote a book a couple of years ago titled White Supremacy Confronted. So where he tied what you said earlier with regards to policing in South Africa to policing in the United States. All the kinds of Jim Crow laws

were actually the cornerstone of the apartheid government. Now, one of the key students

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:19.927)
Which by the way, the Nazis borrowed.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:23.076)
Yes. So which one of the students that studied how suppression tactics worked is Yoweri Museveni. Yoweri Museveni, the position he feels within the African space when you looked at where his country is, he is a basically strategic head in order to study the interest of the countries around him. He has to ensure that

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:35.671)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:50.85)
stuff out of Congo is able to move. Because you have to ask the question. Every time you scream that there is killing going on in Congo and but the stuff keeps getting out. I'm talking about tin, tantalum and tungsten. They're still getting out. You have to ask the question how? Majority of the the mines are in the east side of Congo. The east bothers Uganda on the west.

So that is where majority of the minerals get taken out of. And there is also one key part. Yoweri Misuveni is a CIA asset. He is actually being supported to the tunes of about 1.5 billion US dollars every year. So him staying in power,

is in the interest of the United States. So yes. Yeah. Yeah. So so I'll just end with this irony. He wrote a book in 1992 and in the book, My Views in Power, chapter two of that book, he said the problem with Africa is guess what he says?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:49.122)
Wow.

My taxpayer, my tax money, because you're about to ask me to pay taxes again. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:19.014)
He says the problem with Africa is too long in power. I mean, you can't... This man wrote his own...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:20.633)
Leaders playing too long in their work.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:28.323)
He hasn't stayed too long because he's still effective in his mind. too long is subjective, you know, it's it's he hasn't stayed too long

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:36.134)
So yes, so yes, that said, that is that. The final story is one that we sort of looked at last week. But here is the Kenyan side of it. And it's about, it comes from Radio France International. And it's about stopping harmful tourism, the fight against Maasai Mara's luxury hotel.

In Kenya, Masamara, local people say a new luxury safari hotel is threatening the ecosystem and the livelihood for whom tourism was supposed to bring opportunity. There's a key part here. The money Naseku earns from her beads pay for her children's porridge and books. And when she manages it, clinic visits, which she often puts off. When they block the animals, they block us, she said in a low voice.

We survive because the world comes to see what lives here. So down the road, somebody else says, leaned on a crooked fence post, his ambition is to be a wildlife guy, one who speaks about lions, migration circles, and Maasai history in the same breath. But the jobs are thin on the grounds now. Conservatives are tightening rules, and the land is for grazing is shrinking. So.

From a humanistic point of view, what is your thoughts?

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:07.91)
Yeah, I know.

Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:07:17.111)
You know, interesting, interestingly enough, I've been watching Khaleese. Some of you may remember her as an R &B singer who was married to Nas. She had a big hit. My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

decades ago, but she moved to Africa two years ago and she's been putting out these videos about different parts of Africa and what she's doing and so on and so forth. I just recently saw a video where she was saying, hey, black people, need to come and buy land here because, know, Ellen Degeneres has land here, Bill Gates has land here, all of these white people are buying up all this land. We need to buy this land here.

And I felt as the people would say some type of way watching it because on the one hand, I do believe we should own our own land. Absolutely. But on the other hand, it's the question is to what purpose.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:10.344)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:11.937)
And so I also see a number of us here, you know, in the diaspora who are like, we want to go visit the motherland. But when we visit the motherland, we want the five star hotels and we want all the amenities and all the comforts that we are used to and feel entitled to here in the West.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:27.42)
Just two, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:32.089)
And Africans like to show off, look at our skyline. It's just like you were in Paris. look at this place. It's just like, but the question we need to be asking is what made room for this at the cost of what? You know, in the area that I live in, 16, almost 17 years ago when we moved here, there was so much green space and literally in the middle of the afternoon.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:42.808)
cost of

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:00.843)
you could have you would have to stop your car because the deer are passing and they're gonna they'll look at you and they'll keep going and now there's been so much commercialization and people are putting fences up and on the main road on a daily basis there are no less than five deer that are dead on the side of the road

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:19.432)
I mean not to the yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:22.623)
And it looks like, we're progressing and developing, but what does development really mean? And so as I was reading that, we have to go back to our values. I'm going to go back to the values on the Nguzo Sabha values and just say, what is it that we are aiming for and at what cost?

And as they said in this article, once you block the pathway, because this proposed resort, tourism center, whatever, is actually going to block the migration path of the animals. Once you do that, you actually kill off the animals.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:51.334)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:56.776)
You shouldn't... Can you imagine?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:10:04.768)
Once you do that, you change the entire environment, the ecological balance. And then, of course, as we have gone through when we went through Kenya, different stories on Kenya, or if you watched our episode of Women in Resistance on Wangari Matai, you see that once the ecosystem changes, you have scarcity of water. You have famine. You have increased droughts, desertification, all of that.

Listen people, where are we going to live after we have destroyed the entire earth? And so what would many of us view as development? I've got to have all these comforts, this and that and that.

It's killing us. I'm grateful for the gentleman who is mounting this fight. I hope that more people will put resources behind it because it takes money to fight. But I also hope that those of us who are the consumers, yes, when you're going to these resorts in Caribbean or wherever,

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:52.829)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:10.044)
be much more savvy doing so.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:17.729)
And you don't see, quote unquote, any of the indigenous people. They're actually not allowed to get on their own beaches because they've now been privatized just for you. This wealthy international traveler to enjoy the comforts, you know, not bothered by those pesky non-humans. You got to look at what role you are playing as well in all of this.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:23.568)
near you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:30.152)
You

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:46.416)
Mm, mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:47.29)
because we all have some power to make a difference. And if we brought our collective power together, cooperative economics, collective responsibility, we will see more changes for all of us wherever African people live. And when you see changes with us, it helps the entire world. So again, after we've cut down all the trees and we put up all the high rises and we've raped Mother Earth, then what?

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:17.212)
Yeah, then what? mean, this story in particular, just changing the territory of those animals, those animals have been moving for generations. Yeah, I mean, literally, they know when, I mean, if you watch National Geographic, you would see, you just need one to lift up its head.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:12:31.033)
For centuries.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:44.114)
to say it's time to move and they all move. The animals that feed on them would move with them. What are they going to do? Their feces, their trampoline would turn up the earth so that that place where they've been can regenerate itself. So that by the time they come back in,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:01.343)
That and that's how speeds get trapped. That's how new plants grow all of that. Yes

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:07.216)
Literally, literally nature telling you this is how we work. You know, they trample the crocodile feeds off the animals crossing the weaklings. They are taken out of the group. They turn around. By the time they come back in, there's another group. It's like we are constantly acting like the plug in the sink.

Keeping dead water, holding dead water and we call that progress. It is mind boggling.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:44.889)
So the question is, where is the Kenyan government on this?

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:49.286)
They want to build a grand hotel.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:50.71)
Where are our environmental? So, you know, it's like, investment, investment for what purpose? People, for what purpose?

Yeah. And like the man argued, you can have all of this, but when we lose the land, what do I leave to my grandchildren? Where do they live? We cannot eat and live concrete and glass and decor and all of that. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:01.766)
And it's not a-

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:15.996)
Shiny builders.

Yeah, that said, thank you, thank you. And yes, we've come to the end of this week episode of Women and Resistance. Yes, we are going to have another episode of Women and Resistance in the course of the week. yes, and that would be with Kambasa. So it's Women and Resistance Kambasa this week.

Wednesday, 7 PM Eastern Standard Time. But for this one, African News Review, we've come to the end of it. We hope the good comrades hears good news with regards to the person in the hospital. And our best wishes goes to that person. And love and thank you, everyone. Thank you, June, for the gift. And thank you all for coming through. If this is your first time here,

This is what we do here. We reframe the narrative on articles that have been written about Africa, the Caribbean, and the larger African diaspora, even the United States, about Black people, wherever they are. So this is what we do here. We pass the news so that everybody gets a greater understanding of how it impacts them going forward. Until next week, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:15:49.561)
Practice Tunguzo Sabba, it'll save us.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:53.166)
And for me, it's a little continuum. The struggle continues. And thank you and good night and God bless.