EP 3 Russia in Sudan; Niger’s Uranium Revolution and more... I African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News Review, host Adesoji Iginla and guests Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq discuss various pressing issues affecting Africa, including the ongoing struggle for recognition of colonial crimes and reparations, the impact of elections on minority businesses, and the geopolitical implications of Sudan's offer to Russia for a naval base.

They also delve into Niger's decision to shift its uranium market and the parliamentary inquiry in Kenya regarding British troops' misconduct.

The conversation emphasises the importance of unity among African nations and the need for education on historical injustices to empower future generations.

Takeaways

*The importance of recognising colonial crimes and seeking reparations.
*Elections significantly impact minority business opportunities.
*Texas has reclassified minority-owned businesses, raising concerns.
*African leaders are advocating for a unified approach to reparations.
*Sudan's offer to Russia highlights the lack of sovereignty in Africa.
*Niger's shift in the uranium market could empower the nation economically.
*Kenya's inquiry into British troops reflects ongoing colonial legacies.
*The need for African nations to unite for better resource management.
*Historical context is crucial in understanding current African issues.
*Education on African history is essential for future generations.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
02:34 Texas Business Program and Minority Classification
04:00 New York City Spending and Black-Owned Businesses
06:26 Consequences of Elections and Economic Impact
08:02 International Protests and Arrests
09:41 Colonial Crimes and Reparations Discussion
19:13 Historical Context of Colonialism
24:40 Sudan's Naval Base Offer to Russia
29:53 Reflections on African Sovereignty and Independence
34:51 The Quest for True Independence
37:22 Education and Historical Context in Africa
38:54 Niger's Uranium and Resource Control
53:04 British Military Presence and Accountability in Kenya

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:02.041)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I am your host, as usual, Adeswaje Iginla, and with me, two of the, what I consider the most brilliant minds when it comes to African affairs. I will begin with the gentleman, he is Comrade Milton Alimadi, host of Black Star News on WBAI 99.5 FM New York.

Milton Allimadi (00:18.03)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (00:31.115)
offer of manufacturing heat and what else can I say about him? Welcome.

Milton Allimadi (00:38.318)
Thank you,

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:41.114)
A living legend.

Adesoji Iginla (00:42.617)
You

Milton Allimadi (00:43.118)
Listen to her. How are you, comrade?

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:45.881)
You're doing wonderful, Sarah.

Adesoji Iginla (00:47.529)
And yes, to the lady in the middle, ever smiling, you know, as they will say, no slouching, all right. She's the author of Self-Love Revolution, host of Rethinking Freedom, and co-host of Women and Resistance, and might I add, an author of a new book titled Kwanzaa, A Celebration Guide for Home.

Milton Allimadi (01:14.126)
Congratulations.

Adesoji Iginla (01:16.565)
and community. And exactly, just before Kwanzaa. And just one of my best pages in the book is that this is the elders showing the young ones how to do it. And look at that. Yes, yes. So it's available on Amazon. And so don't just buy it. Also go there and do leave a review.

Milton Allimadi (01:18.04)
of perfect timing.

Milton Allimadi (01:32.558)
The art is phenomenal. The artwork is beautiful.

Adesoji Iginla (01:45.867)
Afterwards, and yes, welcome sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:49.817)
Thank you and thank you so much for sharing the book. It's the book I was looking for as I deepened my celebration of Kwanzaa with my family. Because many of us obviously were not raised with it. It's a relatively recent holiday, just we're talking in the 60s. And so trying to find information that allowed me to not just be performative, but for it to.

really ground my family as we end the year and go into a new year. I was picking things from different places. And so I wrote a book that very simply brings it all together. A three year old who can read, can read it and understand it. And a 95 year old can read it and engage with it as well. So thank you so much for sharing it.

Adesoji Iginla (02:35.669)
No worries. Thank you. Thank you for adding to our collective knowledge. And without further ado, we begin. News from where you're at. Let's begin with Sister Aya.

Milton Allimadi (02:38.348)
great.

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:50.953)
my goodness, there's so much news. The one that I would highlight today is we have a program here in the state of Texas and many other states have it as well. It is a program to help with underutilized businesses. It's called HUB. And what the state of Texas has decided as of this past week is that businesses owned by quote unquote minorities

and businesses owned by women will no longer be classified as underutilized businesses in the state of Texas. So ask me, who's left then? I suppose veterans are left and I guess white men, I mean, there's no statistics to back up this decision. We just unilaterally have decided that after centuries,

Milton Allimadi (03:33.204)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (03:47.691)
of closing out women and people of color. Knowing that women in the United States could only get loans as recently as 1973 in their own names. Nonetheless, in 2025, we are going to decide that these businesses owned by these entities are not underutilized. And we're going to go back to pre-Jim Crow, if you will, where white men keep everything. Even though we all pay tax.

Milton Allimadi (04:03.966)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:15.481)
tax, you know, we all pay our taxes. just a little bit of news from the state, a great state of Texas.

Adesoji Iginla (04:21.379)
great state of

Milton Allimadi (04:23.017)
Okay, yeah, I want to echo that as well. And then I mean, I have another item I want to mention, but in terms of what you just said, and this is a scandal that I think only Black Star has written about consistently here in New York. The New York City spends about $20 billion every year with private vendors, private businesses, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (04:50.969)
20 million.

Milton Allimadi (04:54.971)
Out of that, guess what percentage goes to black-owned and Latino-owned businesses? Just a wild guess.

Adesoji Iginla (05:03.289)
10%.

Milton Allimadi (05:05.349)
Okay, good try, reasonable. Sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (05:10.229)
I'm going to say under 10%. If it's looking like the state of Texas, we might be at 2%.

Milton Allimadi (05:16.88)
Yes, it's actually between 1 and 2%. It's at the, when, of two years ago, was less than 1%. Just think about that. It means, and you talk about, you know, the taxpayers, they're subsidizing European owned businesses. All these decades, what needs to be done, obviously, is a retroactive reassessment.

And that's why with all the shortcomings up to date, the late Marion Barry is still revered in many circles because of what he did in Washington, DC. He said, you bring the contract to my desk. If 25 % to 30 is not reserved for black owned businesses, I'm not going to sign the Boom. And look how it transformed Washington. Just literally snapped like that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (05:47.49)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (06:07.906)
Even with the drug scandal he had, when Marion Barry joined the Ancestors, even Obama sent a long note of condolences, because at the end of the day, he delivered. Just think about it, New York, $20 billion, less than 1%. It's a crime. It's a scandal. Nobody writes about it. I hope this, in fact, Eric Adams, such a liar, he said when he gets elected, he's going to change that.

Adesoji Iginla (06:10.221)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (06:35.936)
going to make sure that black owned businesses get their due share. He did zero. Instead, stop and frisk went up under his administration. So I say this to say that will be the true test of the new mayor. If he is able to impact that, then he will truly pass the test. Actually, I think this is enough. I'll leave my other points for later on. I think this is a very important topic.

Adesoji Iginla (06:59.819)
Okay. Okay, on.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:02.137)
And so what is clear is that elections have consequences. So people who are still sitting it out or being low informed, going by emotion versus facts, it hurts us all. Because think of if 10 % of that 20 billion was coming back into black-owned businesses or Hispanic-owned businesses. Just think of how that begins to transform. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (07:27.192)
the housing, the employment, the schools, the decrease in crime and all that. People talk about crime as if there's no correlation between crime and wealth and income and employment. So yes, you're absolutely right.

Adesoji Iginla (07:29.081)
wealth.

Adesoji Iginla (07:39.159)
in resources, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (07:45.859)
Yes, over here, the talk was a local government in Ireland, Northern Ireland to be specific, who chose to fly the Palestinian flag over their building, and for some reason, Two. I emphasize that were two protesters decided they were going to climb the building and to pull down the flag. Guess what? They were arrested.

Milton Allimadi (07:45.86)
you

Adesoji Iginla (08:16.217)
But then, as it were, the right-wing press here took to doing what they normally would do to vilify the council for going against the wishes of two people within the constituency. That's the high point of our news here. So it just goes to show that even when the entire society agrees that a negligent crime has been committed,

you will still find the odd, thick-headed individuals who would decide, no, what? They have an axe to grind, as it were. So that's it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:59.681)
In your neck of the woods, the UK government just arrested a Palestinian born but UK citizen who is a physician. They just arrested her because she had posted information in support of Palestine and in opposition to Israel. And she has no medical complaints filed against her, nothing with no issues with her job.

Adesoji Iginla (09:19.383)
Yeah, that's the doctor. Yeah, that's the editor.

Aya Fubara Eneli (09:28.611)
but they actually want to suspend her from being able to practice as a physician prior to any hearing investigation, anything. And rightfully so on video, she was asking, wait a second, you're the UK police. You're here to arrest me on behalf of Israel. Like what is going on here? So that is...

Milton Allimadi (09:39.112)
Yeah. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (09:49.311)
Right, right. Or, know, for sister, here's the thing. You remember how they used to ridicule and laugh at Stalinism under the Soviet Union? You know, well, that day has arrived in the West, right? And George Orwell was completely correct, 100%. Anybody who has not yet read George Orwell, this is the time. Especially 1984, right? The hypocrisy is just amazing, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (10:11.193)
1984.

Adesoji Iginla (10:21.613)
Yes. OK. And with that, we're talking about history. We go back to the Guardian for our first story today. And it reads, African leaders.

push for recognition of colonial crimes and reparation. Algeria's foreign minister says African countries and people continue to pay a heavy price for colonialism. And it reads, African leaders are pushing to have colonial era crimes recognized, criminalized, and addressed through reparations. At the conference in the Algerian capital, Algiers, diplomats and leaders convened to advance an African union resolution passed at a meeting earlier this year calling for justice

reparations for victims of colonialism. A legal framework, he added, would ensure restitution is seen as neither a gift nor favor. The quote is, Africa is entitled to demand the official and explicit recognition of the crimes committed against its people during the colonial period and an indispensable first step towards addressing the consequences of that era for which African countries and peoples continue to pay a heavy price

in terms of exclusion, marginalization, and backwardness.

Who wants to go first?

Milton Allimadi (11:46.876)
your head system.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:48.026)
Again to just Provide some context because we always want to have information beyond what is just in these articles I would definitely recommend a number of books. I think some we've mentioned on this channel before France Fernand's the wretched of the earth or dying colonialism will definitely be at the top of my list those two you can also look at

Adesoji Iginla (12:10.839)
Yep. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:17.983)
Ejian Jebar wrote a book titled Fantasia an Algerian Cavalcade It's actually written more as a novel, but it still gives you some information and then just again This has to be I think number one in terms of books We've mentioned on this channel would be Walter Rodney's how Europe underdeveloped Africa and understanding that concept and Gugi Gwapyongo's decolonizing the mind and of course

Adesoji Iginla (12:24.249)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (12:30.114)
I shouldn't, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (12:39.05)
developed Africa, correct?

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:46.275)
Kwame Nkrumah looking at neocolonialism. Okay, so having said that, because y'all are building libraries, right? But just not buying books, we're actually gonna read the books so that these things make more sense to us. I think that it is absolutely right for African leaders to be pushing to have these colonial era crimes recognized, criminalized, and addressed through reparations. And of course,

Adesoji Iginla (12:52.301)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:11.609)
Mehdi Hassan is doing a great job of exposing some of the arguments for reparations in Africa and in the Caribbean as well. And we know that CARICOM has also come together to advocate that they're jointly advocating for reparations through the UN with support from actually the UN Secretary General, Guterres.

Of course, anytime that you have to go to these bodies to beg for recognition, kind of begs the issue, if you will. I think that what's important is that we recognize it for ourselves first and foremost, and that we start to operate in different ways that don't allow what happened in the past to happen again. That's what's... So that, you know, multiple things need to happen at the first...

Milton Allimadi (13:42.297)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:06.295)
all at the same time. One is a recognition of this for ourselves. We are not teaching this history in Africa. Most Africans living today do not have an understanding of the history or of what these colonizers actually did. We don't talk about it and we don't teach it. So I'm gonna say first we need to educate ourselves. Educating ourselves means then that we move differently. So some of the deals and articles we're gonna talk about later.

Milton Allimadi (14:19.096)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:33.577)
show that we still haven't learned this lesson in the way that we keep throwing our arms wide open to the very people who have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your lives don't matter, our lives don't matter. The other thing that I would say is if we understand that they are criminals, if we're recognizing these as crimes, then you don't open yourself up to be a victim again, at least not in the same way, right?

Haven't said that should they continue to push at the level of the UN? Absolutely. I think we fight on all levels. And here's what I would definitely say. Reparations are absolutely due because just as you know, the one of the arguments is I didn't own slaves. wasn't born there. You weren't enslaved. This doesn't matter. But that is a very naive conversation to have because you've got to go back and trace who benefited.

from those crimes, where the resources went to, because those people and their descendants are still benefiting from it, including this concept of the West as first world and Africa and Caribbean nations as third world. So it's not like the benefit just dissipated. Someone is still benefiting from it today. And conversely, some groups of people are still being punished.

Adesoji Iginla (15:45.975)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (16:00.025)
as a result of that. They are still bearing all of the scars of that. So I don't care if your grandparents or your great great grandparents stole what belonged to me and you are now benefiting from it. Yeah, time to turn it over. So I do believe that we should continue this fight for reparations and good job Algiers in kind of setting themselves up to some degree as, hey,

Adesoji Iginla (16:01.077)
of it correct

Aya Fubara Eneli (16:28.087)
ground zero because certainly we know of the genocide that took place in all years to the tune of at least 1.5 million people. so glad to see this, but African leaders get educated, educate your populace and fight harder. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (16:29.698)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (16:34.093)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (16:43.948)
Very good.

Very good. That's an excellent summation of the history and the resources that people should access. So I will just add a few points to that presentation. Number one, I like the fact that it's being presented as a unified African Union approach, which is very good. They should do more issues around that unified approach. Certainly,

even if it does not get the results, it will get more coverage and have more impact. And then in terms of what the sister said, the counter argument that people say, I wasn't there and all that, you notice nobody says that about the reparations that Germany is paying to Israel of today. They don't say, I wasn't a part of Hitler regime. I wasn't there and all that nonsense. They don't.

Adesoji Iginla (17:35.993)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (17:43.284)
So that argument just does not carry any water at all. And then the article says the estimates are in the trillions of dollars. Of course, it's correct. We know how much was taken without compensation from the continent in terms of the people killed as well and the free labor. So now you realize how Africans and African descendants have been subsidizing European opulence.

for centuries in Europe and here in the United States, the offspring of Europe as well. And of course, this marginalization and exploitation is not historical only, it's even contemporary. The current terms of trade, we sell our valuable resources for cheap and we import manufacturers which are produced with our resources for exponentially higher cost of price.

Maybe one other point I wanted to mention. Okay, so there are some things that we should start doing for ourselves. The article discuss the artifacts. Some are being returned, many not returned. I think we need to have a collective approach on that as well. I've always said that. There's no need really for artifacts to be returned to Nigeria, to Uganda, to Kenya and all that. Because it cost

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:58.617)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (19:14.946)
maintaining them also adds burden on cost. And all these countries are suffering from financial deficits. What we need to do is, so long as the headquarters of the African Union is still in Addis Ababa, let's build a state-of-the-art museum in Addis Ababa, the Museum of Africa. All these artifacts should be taken there. And then we also contribute toward the management. Each country contributes.

And believe me, they will not have to contribute much because the revenue from global visitors alone would cover the cost of managing it and will also have a surplus money that would be distributed among these countries, African countries. Why would anybody need to go to the museum in Paris or London or New York once all the artifacts are returned?

and located in one museum in Addis Ababa. So that's my final comment on this.

Adesoji Iginla (20:20.409)
OK, I would just like to touch on the two key themes in there, which is the colonial crimes and the reparations. OK, so let's begin 1652, when the Afrikaans turned up at the Cape of Good Hope, which is South Africa. We all know what transpired thereafter. 1914, subsequently, we had apartheid, the last up till 1994.

A bit further in, we would come in contact with the people of Marshall and Land who bear all the brunt of Rasu, what's his name? Sasu Rhodes British trading company where multiple people were basically massacred and what have you. The result of which was Zimbabwe,

Ian Smith declared a government of a unilateral declaration of independence in 67 and subsequently they fought a Bush war that ended in 1980. Now, why is that one important? That one is important that in the sense that the guy who is now the president of Zimbabwe, MSM Mamanagua fought for their independence and is now being forced to pay compensation.

to those who seize the land from the Mashono people, which in itself is wild. Let's not forget what the British did with regards to the introduction of the idea of concentration camps. The concentration camps that the Germany industrialized in Europe was a British concept. They tried it first in South Africa and then subsequently in Kenya.

Milton Allimadi (21:51.664)
you

Adesoji Iginla (22:19.405)
We've not even remembered the idea of settler colonialism because not only did they kill people, they also seized the land and replaced the people with Europeans. A reversal of sort happened in 1970 through the actions of Mamangaddafi when he expelled 20,000 Italians and subsequently seized all the properties and turned them over to the state.

And I think that will have been one of the reasons why they chose to get rid of him. That's one. And then last but not the least, we cannot forget the people of Namibia, the Herero and the Nehema, who were basically exterminated by the Germans. And now there is a reason why Namibia is an empty space. And the people are basically living destitute lives.

the land that they used to own with the burial ground of their ancestors are now in the hands of the Germans, who until 2015 were still doing, were still waving Nazi flags in Namibia, in Africa. So again,

we have to understand, when the sister said some of us don't actually understand the history, it's because we don't understand it, which is why we constantly have to bring up these stories. And if you look at the reporting of this article, there is not one case of what transpired during the colonial period in there, except for the acknowledgement of the Algerian massacres. That's it.

One would think it was just a nojural problem, not that it spread all over the continent. So with that, we go to, yes.

Milton Allimadi (24:19.8)
Okay, before we move on, I mean, okay, so waving the Nazi flag is a problem. But to me, the bigger problem is 5 % of the European population of Namibia still own 80 % of the land. That, to me, is the bigger crime. Go ahead and wave your Nazi flag if you want, so long as I have my land back. I would prefer that instead. So just wanted to mention that. And then maybe one final point.

Unless we find a way to force the issue, it's going to be difficult. We'll have conferences upon conferences. We need to perhaps at one point find a way to tie it into the resources that we have, the resources that they can only find in Africa that they must buy for their production. If we say, in order for you to have access to these resources, you have to start paying into the reparations fund, then you qualify to even negotiate to buy these resources, something like that.

You know, something really that gives us leverage. Otherwise, you know, it will be conference upon conference. Nobody disputes the justness of the cause. But now we have to find a way to force the issue.

Adesoji Iginla (25:31.481)
Yeah, I would also like to add to the resources that the sister provided with regards to the books. You could read African Perspectives on European Colonialism by Adobo Ahen. And one of the classic, it's The Scramble for Africa by Thomas Peckman. It lists all the atrocities and everything that transpired in there. So that's it. We go on to our next.

story which comes from the Wall Street Journal and it's titled

Adesoji Iginla (26:12.023)
Sudan offers.

Sudan offers Russia its first naval base in Africa. The headline reads, Sudan offers Russia its first naval base in Africa. Red Sea ports will give Moscow a vital edge in the strategic waters. And you will see why it is strategic in a second. So it says, Sudan's military government have offered Russia what would be its first naval base in Africa.

and an unprecedented perch overlooking critical Red Sea trade routes, according to Sudanese officials. The deal, if it happens, will be a strategic advantage for Moscow, which will struggle to deepen its foothold on the continent. It will be a troubling development for the US, which has sought to keep Russia and China from controlling African ports where they could rearm and refit warships and potentially choke off vital sea lanes. So it's the idea. It's a 25-year proposal.

Now this is where Sudan is. And as you can see, it leads right up to the Suez Canal. And the United States, the Chinese base, and what have you, they're all here. So what do you say to this, Brother Milton?

Milton Allimadi (27:35.273)
Alright, so to me, the bigger obvious issue in this story is the lack of sovereignty in Africa. Really, the lack of independence. know, Raila Udinga, may he rest with the ancestors, but his father, Ginga Udinga, wrote that classic book

Adesoji Iginla (27:47.437)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (28:03.065)
who not yet.

Milton Allimadi (28:03.205)
I highly, highly recommend, it's not as widely known as Rodney or Nkrumah, but it's called Not Yet Uhuru. And uhuru, of course, is the Kiswahili word for independence. So when you read an article like this, it's clearly not yet uhuru in Africa. You just read a sentence that this is a troubling development for the United States, not a troubling development for Africa. other words, Africa is a backdrop.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:15.498)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:32.008)
to these stories. So if anybody still wanted to debate whether there's a single independent country in Africa, I would strongly recommend this article. These countries are not independent. know, 60 years after Uhuru, this article to me just captures it. And of course, what the Russians are trying to do, or what Sudan is trying to do, is to do something similar to what the US just did with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Adesoji Iginla (28:33.497)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:40.545)
Thank

Milton Allimadi (29:02.108)
the Democratic Republic of the Congo under Shekere. The government is facing serious duress from Rwanda, which a year ago was talking about matching all the way to the capital of Kinshasa using its proxy, M23, to overthrow the government. And they might have done that. And that's why Shekere ran to the US and he brokered this deal. Come have access to my resources.

let's negotiate. I don't know what the terms are going to be. And basically what he's saying is come and rescue me from Rwanda. Otherwise they'll overthrow me. And on that basis, the US, you know, which is interested in these earth minerals agreed. And now General Burhan in Sudan is trying to do the same thing. Russia, because Russia obviously is going to have

Adesoji Iginla (29:42.094)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (29:59.436)
military presence very close to the capital now, Khartoum. Come here, help my government, because I'm under duress from the rapid, what's it called, response support, support forces, RSF, which is being armed and equipped by the United Arab Emirates. So he's trying to struck a deal similar to what the Democratic Republic of the Congo did.

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:03.3)
Hmm?

Adesoji Iginla (30:09.699)
support forces.

Milton Allimadi (30:28.346)
with the United States. And of course, the question is, will this regime be there in 25 years? I very much doubt it. So the longevity of this agreement is quite suspect, but the logic behind it is very clear. They're duplicating what the US just did with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Adesoji Iginla (30:52.557)
Well, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:57.786)
Africa, my Africa, is this you? This back that is bent. My God. We are not at post-traumatic stress disorder because our trauma is ongoing. And I'm telling you after, I read, first of all, at SOG, thank you for all the effort you put into calling through all these news articles. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (31:01.571)
I guess we'll do it.

Adesoji Iginla (31:01.625)
You

Milton Allimadi (31:15.512)
Yes, it is.

Milton Allimadi (31:24.003)
Yes, yes, yes. I have to echo that as well. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. You you keep us informed as well.

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:31.084)
Yes, it's no small feat. But when I'm reading these articles in preparation for our conversations, I have to tell you, I am often just fighting back tears. We are not sovereign. We have no independence. We are, we are pawns. So these people can basically fight their wars on our land and never touch their own countries.

Milton Allimadi (31:56.964)
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:00.805)
They're up wash strips and so on and so forth. You're talking about the importance of these ports, right? And how it can affect global trade because that just that area, about 12 % of global trade passes through that area, right? Because this article is not written from our perspective at all. The other question is, how?

Milton Allimadi (32:21.623)
Yep, yep, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (32:22.489)
correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:30.08)
easily like right now, Trump and his regime dream or what would you call it, cult, whatever it is, they are looking for a foothold in South, Southern America to be able to launch their war against Venezuela. In Africa, they don't even have to look.

Adesoji Iginla (32:39.38)
With Jim. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (32:50.477)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:54.562)
We have given them land and bases and everything. know all our vulnerabilities. We hand over data to them. We beg them to come and train us, perhaps creating allegiances to them and not to us. I mean, if they wanted to attack a country in Africa, they don't even have to try to negotiate with anybody to any country for their land, because we've already given them access.

Milton Allimadi (33:11.914)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:24.41)
unfettered access to us. just boggles my mind. Having said that, yes, do I understand that this is an attempt to repel some forces against them? Yes, but what if, what if, what if as a continent we came together and we said here are our weak areas and we are going to collectively shore it up? Listen, we keep talking about the unemployment of youth.

You wanna tell me that our young men and women will not willingly be trained and have an income that they can count on and defend their own land? That we could not at the same time as we're defending our land actually wipe out the majority of the issues we have with unemployment, my goodness. Okay, having said all of that,

Milton Allimadi (33:59.861)
Thank

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:20.256)
Russia extends its naval reach and access to gold resources. It's always about our resources. A, what do we get in return, Africa? Certainly the Sudanese people are the overwhelmingly clear losers in this. They are displaced, they are killed, they are subjected to prolonged conflict. None of these resources come back to them. I don't think that they're even on the, they're,

Milton Allimadi (34:28.502)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:49.86)
Their needs are not even on the table in terms of this negotiation. then, comrade, you brought up the term of this agreement, 25 years. So I went to go and look. So the one in Djibouti, that's a 20-year lease that can be renewed. And that's with the US.

Milton Allimadi (35:09.985)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:15.226)
China, sorry, that was, yeah, yeah, in Djibouti, US has Camp Le Junior in Djibouti. China also has one in Djibouti as well. Theirs is a 10 year term, renewable and it's tied to broad infrastructure investment. Of course, with Sudan, I don't know what theirs is tied to. Maybe it's just, you know, military assistance. And then, of course, France has a number of these kinds of agreements too. But typically you see it,

Adesoji Iginla (35:23.81)
All

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:43.576)
These agreements are like five to 25 years. So as you pointed out, why they went to the more extreme end of it and how these very old men are tying up the futures of the young people.

Adesoji Iginla (35:49.753)
25 years.

Adesoji Iginla (35:59.289)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (36:00.96)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:01.24)
Is mind-boggling to me, but this is where we find ourselves. My prayer is that in the short run, there is some stability to the area, but I'm hoping that as we make these deals with the devil for short-term stability, we hope that there's also a different part of government, which I doubt, which is thinking about how do we

not become dependent on these people long term? And how do we really truly get to Uhuru? Because we are not there.

Milton Allimadi (36:40.257)
All right. So just based on what you said, I wanted to add a few quick points. You spoke about the lack of sovereignty, how they extend their proxy wars. Just look at how diabolical this is. Ukraine was initially backing the military government, which is making the deal with Russia now. And now Ukraine is backing the rapid support forces. And Russia is the one that's backing the government now. The proxy war is being carried out, African blood,

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:56.089)
Yes. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (37:02.233)
So much for this, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (37:09.472)
African soil. You mentioned the basis in Africa. I think the US has about 80 bases. 80 bases, in other words, more than even the number of African countries. So those are the two points I wanted to add.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:17.315)
Yes. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (37:21.891)
countries.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:22.426)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (37:27.993)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:29.563)
How does that possibly make sense?

Milton Allimadi (37:32.99)
No, really in Krumah, know, rest his soul. I'm happy he's not here to see these things.

Adesoji Iginla (37:38.221)
He would, he would, you know, he would, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (37:41.568)
He would be in a mental hospital.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:45.616)
know that it might be difficult to have a session where we look at this, but I think it might actually be helpful to understand the educational backgrounds of the leaders of African countries. I think that will really shine a light on why we're making these deals. You know, I just wonder when he went and sat down, you're talking about Congo and Rwanda, when they went to sign this deal, did you see the paperwork ahead of time? Did you read through it with a fine-tooth comb?

Milton Allimadi (37:56.904)
Yes. Okay. No, no, no, I agree 100%.

Aya Fubara Eneli (38:15.115)
Did you make sure you understood every term and then who governs? Because anytime as a lawyer we make contracts, we include who governs this contract. If there is an issue, where do we go to litigate it? I bet you it ain't Africa.

Milton Allimadi (38:25.952)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (38:31.646)
Right, right. Otherwise, it's a non-contract that does not benefit us, right. I agree.

Adesoji Iginla (38:39.841)
I mean, Kwame Nkrumah did say at the inaugural meeting of the Organization of African Unity, May 25, 1963, that we must remember that they have not yet gone away. So it is high time that we unite and unite now that is. And you can see the very thing he won us against is now happening. They're back. They're literally here. They've never left.

Milton Allimadi (39:09.213)
You're never left.

Adesoji Iginla (39:09.753)
ever left which is shocking. Anyway, we continue.

Milton Allimadi (39:18.589)
But one other point, in terms of the education, sister, you brought up the issue of education. Some of my students and John Jay used to come to me and say they've never heard of Tomasenka. That is just a crime, you know? That's a crime. These are people who are 18, 19 in college.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:33.044)
yeah! Yeah!

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:40.143)
learn about Thomas Sankara in secondary school in Nigeria. I didn't.

Milton Allimadi (39:45.373)
Think about that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:47.769)
did not learn about Amo Ka Ka Brau. I did not learn about, mean, I think there was a song we used to sing that had...

Adesoji Iginla (39:56.675)
Secretary, that will be it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:59.576)
I think maybe Biko. And of course we sang about Mauritel and Mohammed, but no. No, we didn't study our own history.

Milton Allimadi (40:05.053)
Thank

Milton Allimadi (40:08.828)
Yeah, so, and that explains a lot of the problems we have today, really. And you're right, we need to have a session just focusing on that. What is being taught? What are people learning? So, I detracted you from our course a little bit.

Adesoji Iginla (40:09.017)
That's one.

Adesoji Iginla (40:21.697)
Hahaha

No, no, no. I'll try to do is get the syllabus for history in West Africa, because I think they're now taking the exam. So we'll probably be able to look through it and pull out some aspects of it that we can talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so yes, we go to our next story, which the sister did say she likes Deals, and it's about Niger.

Milton Allimadi (40:38.394)
Very good. Let me see if I can find something for East Africa as well. I'll let you know.

Adesoji Iginla (40:54.231)
I might even give her a positive feeling. And it's about Niger who has decided to float its uranium on the international market in break with France's Orano. Niger's military regime has announced it is putting uranium produced by Sommet, a subsidiary of French nuclear giant Orano, before the regime nationalized it in June on the international market. The story reads, uranium mining

in Niger is at the centre of a standoff between the Junta that took power in 2023 and nuclear power Orano, which is 90 % owned by the French government and has operated the mines in Niger for decades. The news was announced on state TV Telly Sahel in a report Sunday evening citing comments by the head of the Junta, General Abdurrahman Tiani. Tiani, the report said, has claimed Niger's legitimate right to depose of its natural resources, natural riches.

to sell them to whoever wants to buy them under the rules of the market in complete independence. Russian energy Segei Tsilov said in July that Moscow wanted to mine uranium in Niger. I don't know why that was needed, but it gives an idea of what we're dealing with with regards to the fact that not only is it a French publication, but they need to tell you who is benefiting when it's not themselves.

Comrade.

Milton Allimadi (42:24.955)
All right, so since it has issues to do with contract as well, maybe Sista can go first, and then I can focus on the political type aspects as well.

Aya Fubara Eneli (42:30.224)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (42:35.906)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (42:37.126)
So in the contract world, we like to say the devil is in the details. And a lot of times with these articles, the ones we've covered before this one, we don't get the details. We get these broad strokes that are given to us largely by the white media, the colonizers media. I do wanna just...

basic background information here, understanding that of course Niger was colonized by France during that scramble for Africa. That full military control was established by 1922. So when we're talking about timeframes and sometimes people wanna say, look at African nations or what are they doing? You have to understand what kind of burden we've been carrying and for how long.

And that even post independence, which is really not independence, we really have not still had or have not seized the opportunities to truly control our destiny. So although Niger gained independence on August 3rd, 1960, clearly not much independence and not much stability because there have been cycles of coup, military rule.

Of course, fragile democracies, why are they fragile? Because they're actually puppets and they're puppeteers in the background impacting them. We should know that in terms of uranium and uranium deficits that have been identified, Niger is in the top 10 of all countries in the world. And as the article pointed out, Western countries are getting about 25 % of their uranium.

from Niger so you understand how important it is. If you think of your income, if there is a source that gives you a quarter of your income that is suddenly threatened, that's gonna be, I don't know about you, that's gonna be a problem for me. There's gonna be a lot of belt tightening. So just to bring that home. I do applaud Tianny's courage.

Adesoji Iginla (44:22.028)
shit.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:48.508)
to step out in this way. It takes courage and that's why so many other African leaders are not doing the same thing. It would make so much more sense if he wasn't stepping out as just Niger and it was a collective. You know, you can break this finger so much easier than it is to break this fist, right? And so it would be great if there was a conglomeration, if you will. So we know that South Africa also has uranium.

Adesoji Iginla (45:08.493)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (45:09.431)
Yep, yep, yep,

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:18.168)
and we know that Namibia also has uranium, they're all in the top 10, what if even just those three countries came together, kind of like OPEC, and says we're operating as a block? And so without that happening, I think it, you know, he's vulnerable, the country is vulnerable, but it is a step in the right direction. Understand that when we're talking about the ability to take control of

who we sell our products to. That also means we get to dictate what that price is. That deal that Sudan is making with Russia is basically Russia, you also have access to our gold and pretty much on Russians terms, right?

Adesoji Iginla (45:52.867)
This side.

Adesoji Iginla (46:05.325)
Hmm. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:06.693)
And so that limits or their right of first refusal. So that limits how much profit quote unquote you can make. And yet let's look at what Niger is dealing with. In terms of extreme poverty, 60 % of the population lives on less than $3 a day.

United States of America, don't think, I think they may still have the dollar menus at the fast food places. I don't go to fast food unless my kids have, you know, dragged me there kicking and screaming, but I don't think you can get much for $3. Okay. And that's for the day. Right. Of course, Niger ranks near the bottom in terms of the global HDI, this index that they use to look at what's happening in countries, climate vulnerability, they're dealing with the desertification.

Adesoji Iginla (46:55.981)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:56.561)
droughts, food insecurity, and 80 % of the workforce is on subsistence farming. So clearly this country needs these resources and you can't start talking about really strengthening the country if they don't have the resources to even feed themselves. So I welcome what Tiani is doing. Obviously we know there's going to be opposition and the issue is a couple of things. Can the African countries as a whole come together?

which we're seeing Kenya will not, but that's a whole, we'll get to that. Two, will the greed of Western Europe nonetheless cause them to acquiesce and to work with Tianny because ultimately they want to get their grubby fingers on our resources. They need our uranium.

And if this is the route they have to go, I think some of them will go that route until they can find a different way to break our backs. Comrade Albie, I definitely want to hear your take on this one.

Milton Allimadi (48:03.852)
Well, you've covered a lot of the good territory. And so what we're seeing is we're seeing a reflection of what we discussed, I think, was the last week, the week before about Mali. Mali, you know, you know, dug deep and say, we're going to get the gold on our terms. And that company that it was dealing with, even though they had, quote unquote, one arbitration, had to come back and deal on Mali's term. So I think Anizha is

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:14.877)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:31.803)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (48:33.458)
definitely just copying that approach as their template. of course, they are both in the alliance of Sahel states. so on a couple of other points. So Nijet needs to, first of all, even for, so we're discussing going forward, they need to also go back because Arana has been

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:44.379)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (49:00.474)
mining since before 1960, since before even independence. They need to do what Jerry Rawlings did with Kaiser Aluminum when Rawlings came to power. Because Kaiser had twisted Nkrumah's arm, Kaiser said we will buy electricity from the Volta Power Project on our own terms for the aluminum smelter.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:07.473)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (49:07.522)
it.

I did.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:10.333)
You

Milton Allimadi (49:29.421)
And Kurman really saw the long-term value of the project, the Volta Rio project. So he accepted it. So basically, Kaiser was making loads of profit all these decades. So Rowling came and he said, we have to renegotiate this contract. And Kaiser refused. So Rowling basically cut off the electricity. And Kaiser had no choice.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:37.821)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (49:58.864)
And Kaiser said, wait a minute, the terms of the contract, you're violating it by cutting the electricity. And then Rawlings team came back and said, no, the water level is very low. So it's not generating a lot of sufficient energy, even though they were cutting it off. So Kaiser ended up agreeing to pay three times more than the previous contract had called for, 300%. And no...

private company would be willing to pay 300 % more unless it is still making a profit. Otherwise they would walk away, which means at the very least, they'd been robbing Ghana by 300 % since that project was built in 1965. So, Niger needs to go back and have a forensic accounting of this contract going back to before the 1960s and any money owed

Adesoji Iginla (50:34.905)
true.

Adesoji Iginla (50:46.583)
Wow.

Milton Allimadi (50:57.808)
should be paid. And then they'll say, okay, now we can negotiate going forward. That's how they should deal with that, with the Rano. And then finally, think about it. Sister, you mentioned 25 % of the uranium that is used by European uranium companies comes from Niger. And yet per capita income in Niger is $700. That's criminal.

And that needs to change immediately. And I hope that's what they're looking to do with this new bargaining position they're taking.

Adesoji Iginla (51:34.541)
So I would like to highlight the historical part which the comrade has just touched on there, which is that Congo also comes into the equation with regards to uranium. Because Congo has the uranium, which people might unfortunately know was the chief component in the boat bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the Americans.

Milton Allimadi (51:46.734)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:01.651)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (52:03.545)
and also led to the assassination of Patrice Lumumba. But I want to focus on the dates. For those who are unaware, Africa actually had a four-year window from the end of the transatlantic slave trade before Africa was carved up at the Berlin Conference. So just like in the United States where you had the Reconstruction, and I believe it was 12 years,

Africa only had four years to move away from trading in human beings into palm oil, granades, and stuff like that. While they were still recalibrating on what the future meant, the Europeans turned up again to say, this, this, this, this becomes mine. We had Leopold, we had, you know, so it goes to show that

It is important that in writing all these articles, history also plays a key role in the journalists helping the readers to understand what they're really reading at, not just in real contemporary times, because most of this stuff, as the good comrade mentioned, goes back. Because if you're operating a contract that has years of injustice written into it, you're perpetuating injustice going forward.

So we come to the. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:35.774)
So brother, I have a question though. Where are you even getting these four years from? Because slavery persisted in Ethiopia till the 1920s. Legal slavery. So, so, so. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (53:46.829)
And today, Sister, and today, the Maritania today.

Adesoji Iginla (53:47.105)
No, what I mean, yeah, what I mean.

Adesoji Iginla (53:54.802)
is

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:55.036)
I don't think we ever had this four year, I don't think we ever had this reprieve. We did it.

Adesoji Iginla (53:58.105)
No, no, no. OK, let me qualify my statement. Let me qualify my statement. Yes, slavery still existed in Mauritania, in Ethiopia, in Madagascar to a lesser extent. And also, if I'm not mistaken, it would be Libya up to a point, which has now come back again.

Yes, but what I meant is in the grand scheme of things, in the overall picture of Africa, it had that four-year window to, you know, recalibrate itself. as we all come to know,

Milton Allimadi (54:38.637)
The sister wants you to withdraw your comments. That's what she wants.

Adesoji Iginla (54:45.279)
Okay, okay. I withdraw the comment with With a caveat. With a caveat.

Milton Allimadi (54:47.531)
know how annoying is that,

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:51.025)
No, we're good. Just so we're clear, like we have been under perpetual assault. Yes, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (54:56.973)
With a car. Yes, yes, yes. So it just goes to show that. OK. Yes, if you've been finding value in the conversation so far, we're trying to get to 2,000 subscribers by the end of the year. So do like, share, subscribe. And yeah, bring others to the fold, as it were. Yes.

Okay, so we come to the final story, which is from Reuters, and it reads...

Kenya lawmakers.

It reads, Kenyan lawmakers identify disturbing threads of misconduct by British troops. And it is a parliamentary inquiry in Kenya has accused British troops of training there of a pattern of sexual misconduct and environmental harm that has led the forces from the former colonial power to be seen as an occupying presence. my God. I can't believe somebody said that.

The findings of the investigations by a parliamentary committee focused on defense and foreign relations highlight rising frustrations in the East African country at the conduct of the soldiers from the British Army Training Unit, Kenya, BATUK, who has faced a raft of highly publicized accusations in recent years. The most prominent allegation relates to 2012 murder of 21-year-old Agnes Wanjiru near the British Forces training camp in towns of Naiki.

Adesoji Iginla (56:38.473)
suspect a British soldier named Robert Perkins was arrested in Britain last month after years of campaigning by Wajiri's family and Kenya Rights Group, who said that killers were being shielded by a defense cooperation between the two countries. I believe we're familiar with the story, but all the same.

Milton Allimadi (56:57.897)
First of all, Carmen, I want to thank you for keeping on top of this issue. I think this is a topic we've discussed probably at least six times now. And I commend you for staying on top of it. You know, sometimes they have journalism awards. I think you deserve one for staying on top of this topic consistently. No, really, you've kept us also

Adesoji Iginla (57:07.266)
Yes, yes, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (57:21.549)
Thank you.

Milton Allimadi (57:27.493)
informed and of course the listeners you've kept and viewers you've kept them informed as well. So I want to thank you for that. So maybe I'll make a couple of very quick points and then the sister can also come in. First of all, the headline is insanely benign and scandalous. know, if you read, if you were not familiar with it, what

Adesoji Iginla (57:30.873)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (57:56.262)
Kenyan lawmakers identify disturbing trend of misconduct by British troops. What are you talking about? In the body of the article, we are told that rape, assault, abandonment of children, environmental degradation. This is what you call disturbing trend of misconduct. The headline is just insane. Okay, then the second thing.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:04.287)
are you talking about?

Adesoji Iginla (58:09.518)
murder.

Adesoji Iginla (58:16.5)
Disturbance.

Milton Allimadi (58:25.099)
Well, when they start talking about seeing as an occupying presence, to me, it means it's going to be difficult probably to renew this contract when it expires next year. So that's going to be a major test of the political class in Kenya. Are they going to abandon the people once again and go for the money? Probably, because that's how they've been operating. And then we learned that this guy, the soldier Purkis,

murdered this Kenyan young lady, Juan Dero, in 2012. And he's just being arrested now. Think about that. After 13 years. And this is because of campaigning by private civil organizations, human rights organizations, together with some members of parliament. And it still took 13 years. What if people are not even taking this initiative?

it means he would never be prosecuted. But now that he's facing deportation to Kenya, I hope he spills the beans because obviously he knows a lot and his lawyer will probably try to get him some leniency in return of disclosing information. But I hope that information will disclose publicly as well to Kenyans and to the media so that it can actually lead to a wider...

prosecution because obviously it's not just, you know, Percocets that should be going down alone by himself. So these are the key points. And then finally, of course, imagine the inhumanity. They're sending out Kenyans without protective gear to go and explode and explode explosives, ammunition. Think about that. It tells you the kind of so-called human beings that we are dealing with.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:13.209)
conditions.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:21.079)
So those are the points I wanted to make.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:24.653)
Wow. Sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:29.896)
Yeah, it's just misconduct. It's not a big deal that he took somebody's life. So here's the thing. And we do we this predates colonialism.

leaders in whatever formation, allowing these foreigners onto their soil and still allowing those foreigners to be, to operate under their own laws and not our laws. Because if you killed my child in my house, how were you able to leave and go back to your house? And now I have to beg for an investigation and then hope that they actually do extradite you to come back to

So what are the terms of these agreements when you have these essentially occupying forces on your land? Brother Milton, you want to add to that? Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:20.405)
We need to see those agreements. I agree. We need to see those actual agreements itself. Forget about the parliamentary report. We want to see a copy of those agreements.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:27.816)
Yeah. And I don't know that our people are thinking these things through. And yet, if we studied our history, these are lessons that we could have learned and implemented. If you're going to bring them in, what are the parameters? How do you protect yourself? How do you protect your people? Having said that, this whole discussion with the UK, you were saying you don't know if this, the Batuk will be renewed and allowed to continue. Well,

The united states has slid in right they've just signed this debt for food storage of food security Swap Ruto is out there making all kinds of deals being the lap dog and going to haiti when you haven't taken care of situations We also know that of course kenya is dealing with what 70?

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:14.339)
Hey T, yeah?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:21.92)
Of their GDP is used to just service debt. So again, we know that they are in a tough place financially But looking at all of this, I am glad that people like I did so gee you are keeping this at the forefront and all of you who are listening share like make comments because that helps to put pressure on the UK in terms of what they're doing, but it just seems like we keep just swapping out colonizers and

Milton Allimadi (01:02:41.951)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:48.256)
Yeah, More kudos to the brother. I mean, I first became aware of this problem on this very program that we are on right now.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:58.878)
And I think that if you're going to have any entity come to do work in your country, whether they're coming as soldiers, they're coming as traders, they're coming as missionaries, whatever they're coming as, there has to be a law on all of our books. If you sire children, you are financially responsible and your company and whatever entity you came with is held accountable as well.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:17.983)
absolutely.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:22.951)
That's actually a better proposal. The British military automatically labelled liable.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:28.126)
Yes. So you want to, you come from China and you just impregnate women and want to leave. No, no, no, no, no. That child is going to have dual citizenship and your country or whichever multinational corporation or whatever it is, you are paying for the wellbeing of that child. You are not going to drop the child poverty.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:45.094)
Right. That's a unique proposal that you should actually offer as an op-ed opinion. So it can be widely circulated. No, that's actually needed. Because once you take it away, once you take away from individual obligation to the umbrella organization that brought them there in the first place, their behavior will change.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:53.655)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:55.092)
know what? Let me, let me write that down. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:02.233)
You will see, you will see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:09.724)
because the company will start taking it from their salary automatically. The company will say, okay, I'm going to be paying, but it's coming from your salary, right? Or it's coming from your pension. You'll see results.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:17.344)
Mm. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:22.723)
Yeah, exactly. yes. And thank you, both of you, for again, shedding light, bringing your perspective with regards to these stories and many suggestions of books and what have you. We've come to the end of another episode of African News Review. Yes, yes. The one hour runs fast. And yes, would love to continue. But time is.

money, as they would say. And yes, looking ahead in the course of the week, we're going to have Women and Resistance. And that is 7 PM Eastern Standard Time. And the lady of interest this time is Marian Anderson. Again, Marian Anderson is going to be a person of interest on Women and Resistance. So again, I like to thank you both. Comrade, last words.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:21.675)
Luthe kontinua, as Samara Marshall used to like saying.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:25.378)
And sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:27.595)
Thank you again for all your work and for the opportunity to be in conversation with our legend, our Jenga here, comrade Milton Alamadi. It's such an honor. Thank you. And for all of you watching, listening, share, let's get to 2000.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:34.755)
You

Milton Allimadi (01:05:40.827)
Thank you for spending.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:44.629)
Yeah, let's get to 2000.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:45.701)
Let me add one other thing on Aluta Continua. I forget the title of the book. It's about Fela. Fela, he was taking a plane in some European country, I think coming back to Africa. And he ran into some of the Freelimo folks, you know, and they talking, you know, they're talking Aluta Continua and blah, blah. And that fellow asked them, you know, Aluta Continua. So the struggle continues.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:04.419)
from Mozambique.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:13.979)
No, no, no, no, you guys are saying it wrong. Why should we be constantly fighting and fighting and fighting? So what you should be saying is the struggle must end. Only Sherlock can come up with something like that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:24.121)
sorry.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:06:26.475)
Good point. Good point. Good point.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:34.296)
All right. On that point, note, asantus ane. Be well.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:06:38.571)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:38.881)
Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Good night and God bless.