EP 9 Sudanese Militias Run Amok, Different Elections with Same Results and The Year 1945 | African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News Review, Adesoji Iginla, alongside Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq., looked at the pressing issues affecting Africa and the African diaspora. 

The Panel spoke on Sudan, the world witnesses genocide in slow motion in El Fasher as the Rapid Support Forces (RSF), descendants of the Janjaweed militias, massacre civilians in cold blood.

And also President Samia Suluhu Hassan, facing mounting unrest and amid accusations of suppressing dissent following a staged election, has the dream of Nyerere’s Ujamaa socialism been traded for neoliberal stability in Tanzania

 In Cameroon, Paul Biya — at 92 years old — “wins” yet another election after 43 years in power. The panel talked about the gerontocracy in Cameroon and how the centre might not be able to hold.  

On the 80th anniversary of the 1945 Manchester Pan-African Congress, The Panel took a more sombre approach in light of the missed opportunities, post-so-called independence, and the various disappointments.

Takeaways

*We have been blessed with minerals and resources.
*External powers are complicit in resource extraction.
*There is ongoing violence imposed during extraction.
*The UAE plays a significant role in Sudan's gold trade.
*Egypt and Saudi Arabia are also influential in this context.
*Western private interests, including the Wagner group, are involved.
*Mercenaries are part of the resource extraction narrative.
*Emirati firms are buying Sudanese gold through RSF channels.
*This situation reflects neo-colonial extraction practices.
*Resource capture continues to be a pressing issue.

Chapters 

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
02:05 Millions of families went without their monthly payouts 
02:31  House of Representatives, the Democrats have been showing up to work 
03:19  No problem with billionaires getting more yachts
04:47 Beginning of the decline of the U.S. empire
06:43  Democrats want Prince Andrew to testify, to talk about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
07:28 Prince Andrew is no longer Prince Andrew, but simply Andrew!
08:49 RSF support forces murdered 460 people in Cold Blood in El Fasher 
10:44 Libation for the victims in El Fasher, Sudan.
12:22  Maternity Wards should be a place of safety.
14:41 The role of the UAE, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the Western private interests.
16:04 Just more of resource capture and neo-colonial extraction.
17:06 The Rule of Hemedhi and Burhan Warlords with their vast business empires.
17:53 The courage as Africans to come together to fight this.
19:09 The young people are fighting to take control away from the neo-colonial leaders.
20:07 The priority of Samia Suluhu in Tanzania is to steal elections and impose herself.
21:31 You say 'international community,' are you referring to Europeans?
25:45 My prediction, she's not going to survive.
28:25  We need stability so that we can preserve all these lucrative projects that she's working on…
28:55  Do you really think these young people care what Bloomberg is saying?
29:24 If young people came to power, it would be a process of reorienting their relationship with the West.
30:50 Bloomberg writes like that; they are confident that Hassan would prevail and remain in the neocolonial orbit.
31:20 We need a change in Tanzania
32:13 Most Tanzanians we know live under very precarious situations
34:48 Across Africa, after colonial rule, we inherited a corrupted form of governance.
38:28 Speaking of waking up, we need a president to stay awake.
40:12  By the standards of the BBC…
41:11  An opinion piece from this guy from

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:07.794)
Yes, greetings, greetings and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I am your host, Adesuji Gengela, and with me, as usual, come to be enamored by, you know, presence of of Africa's most brilliant minds. I will start with my sister, Ayafobera Ene-Liesquire, of Yourself Love Revolution.

Milton Allimadi (00:27.884)
you

Adesoji Iginla (00:35.549)
host Rethinking Freedom and co-host of Women and Resistance, which you can see on this channel every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern. And the man needs no introduction, but introduce Vishal. He is a comrade Miltin Alimadi, host Blackstar News, and author of Manufacturing Hate, How the West Demonized Africa. Short fully, the book should be getting an update.

Milton Allimadi (01:03.189)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04.877)
And yes, so greetings, greetings and welcome to both of you.

Milton Allimadi (01:07.245)
Thank you,

Adesoji Iginla (01:10.693)
Okay, thank you, thank you. And as it has become custom, we'll take news from where you're at. It's a news show after all, starting with sister. News, where you are, please.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:10.856)
Thank you.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:25.606)
Well, we are reeling where we are. Feels like we are in some kind of Twilight Zone while the would-be dictator, the felon in chief, the adjudicated sexual, what is it, predator is hosting a party.

Adesoji Iginla (01:51.539)
35 time cut, 34 time cut. Oh.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:55.589)
the theme of which was the great Gatsby people.

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:05.464)
Millions of families went without their monthly payouts that enabled them to put food on their table. This included elderly people. This included people with disabilities. This included children. This included people who work for a living but

Adesoji Iginla (02:10.087)
yesterday.

Adesoji Iginla (02:17.553)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:31.747)
are paid so little that they are the working poor. They still need assistance to be able to eat. And Congress under Mike Johnson have had six weeks of paid leave. And while the Democratic

House of Representatives that the Democrats have been showing up to work and trying to figure out, you know, some kind of way to negotiate our, you know, a solution to this. The Republicans have not shown up in DC and they're also not holding town halls or anything in their hometowns either. So they've just basically been on vacation on taxpayers dime.

Adesoji Iginla (03:13.907)
That's the interesting. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (03:19.783)
And while all of this is happening on social media platforms, I am seeing people castigate the poor for being poor and say nothing, virtually nothing about the oligarchs for whom these tax cuts are being...

You know that these tax cuts have pretty much been done to give them, you know, all of these, all of these healthcare and, and, and cuts are being done in order to give them more tax cuts. And, and, and, and no one seems to have a problem with billionaires getting more yachts or getting more money while the less to do, suffer more. So it's really interesting how,

people are turning on their neighbors, turning on the poor and giving the rich a pass. And that's what's happening in my neck of the woods.

Adesoji Iginla (04:28.499)
Well, well, hopefully, soccer comes to the impacted sooner rather than later. Yeah, comrade?

Milton Allimadi (04:31.016)
Alright.

Milton Allimadi (04:41.074)
Cormoran, you're echoing, I don't know why.

Adesoji Iginla (04:43.997)
The news where you at?

Milton Allimadi (04:44.796)
No, you're echoing.

Adesoji Iginla (04:47.069)
Can you hear me?

Milton Allimadi (04:47.784)
All right, you're echoing, but yeah. So anyway, Sister already summarized the big national issue that's going on. But as I see it, it's part of a bigger process. This country, think, beginning of the decline of the empire, you know, the British Empire had its long run. I think the American Empire has also had its long run. And now the contradictions are being played out.

And ultimately it's going to be a contest between the ruling elite. And by the way, that to me, my estimate, that also includes the Democrats, Democrats and Republicans. I think if this country really has an opportunity to evolve, it's going to be the type of politics that we are seeing being played out in New York City right now. Where a candidate came to one of the wealthiest cities in the world.

and said, let's not pretend that we cannot survive with this wealth inequity. And people thought he was crazy. And he was at 10%. And now he's on the verge of being mayor. There will not even be a close contest at Capitol and the oligarchs not lined up against him, selecting and endorsing a candidate who's had multiple accusations, serious allegations.

Adesoji Iginla (05:48.915)
You

Milton Allimadi (06:15.72)
of sexually harassing women, and they would prefer to replace him, have him rather as the mayor, than somebody who's saying, let's start pretending the wealth and equity is unsustainable. And if this country is to endure for longer, it needs to adopt the kind of politics that New York is seeing played out. And the other thing that caught my attention

Adesoji Iginla (06:18.183)
of sexual impropriety.

Milton Allimadi (06:43.302)
intention, of course, was that the Democrats want to Prince Andrew to testify, to talk about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And obviously, if that were to happen, that would be quite very interesting in terms of what he would be able to reveal. Maybe King Charles can give him a nudge and say, we might give you a slightly bigger house if you go and just speak the truth. So I hope that happens.

Adesoji Iginla (07:15.123)
Okay, so.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:15.163)
What are the chances that the plane bringing him over here will explode over the Atlantic?

Milton Allimadi (07:22.078)
Let's not say that, but you know, nothing is impossible. Yep. Go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (07:28.659)
Okay.

Okay, yeah, so good segue actually. The news here is the gentleman you refer to as Prince Andrew is no longer Prince Andrew, but simply Andrew Mao Batting of Windsor.

Milton Allimadi (07:45.72)
Okay, I stand corrected, right.

Adesoji Iginla (07:51.763)
And to further, you know, cut him off. The King has removed his military titles as well this morning. So he's effectively a commoner, but he's living at the King's mercy in one of his.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:06.203)
But wait a second, didn't he earn his military titles?

Adesoji Iginla (08:10.831)
Well, you can, but you serve at the pleasure of his majesty, so King Charles III, and long may he rule over us. you know.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:20.412)
rule over you.

Milton Allimadi (08:23.983)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (08:27.603)
Well, well, well, well, you know, we can't say, you can't undermine the monarchy. No, well, well, No, I mean, ours is going to be, you don't want to be quoted, so you want to, you know, be a good commoner as we are. Hola.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:32.665)
Yeah, listen, you're in the UK. I don't want ICE to come and get you, so please say what you need to say.

Adesoji Iginla (08:49.521)
So that's it. There was one other news that caught my eye, but I mean, we'll lead into that in the course of our running a story. So for the first one, we start in Sudan. And it is that...

The hundreds, according to the Guardian, hundreds were reportedly killed at Sudanese hospitals as evidence of RSF atrocities mounts. RSF support forces which claims control of Elb Fasha on Sunday reportedly killed at least 460 people in cold blood. The

A bit of the story goes, the rapid support forces killed hundreds of patients and staff inside a hospital in El Fasha according to the World Health Organization and the Sudan Doctors Network after the paramilitary group claimed control of the city on Sunday. The WHO secretary general, Tedros Kwebregis, said he was appalled and deeply shocked at the report of more than 460 had been killed at the South

Saudi maternity hospital without assigning blame in a post on X. And this thought was further echoed by the Sudanese Doctors Network. So your thoughts, when you read the story, what did you make of it?

Milton Allimadi (10:22.174)
Alright, do you want me to go first?

Adesoji Iginla (10:24.123)
I'll go with sister first, being that it's, I'll go with sister first. It's a maternity word. And the fact that 460 people were sent to the great beyond in a maternity word is very chilling, to say the least.

Milton Allimadi (10:27.011)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:44.657)
So this is definitely not what I thought African News Review would be about, but for the second week in a row, seems like I need to start my comments with just pouring libation.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:05.831)
for my people.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:22.021)
We only have an hour for this show. If you can think of what takes a person to a maternity ward.

the idea of the continuation of life.

the happiness, the joy, sometimes the fear, the concern, maybe things aren't going exactly as anticipated.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:59.579)
the sense that you're in a place.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:06.044)
That should be a place of safety.

where your needs will be catered to.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:16.997)
Families who have finally gotten their loved ones there expecting that they will receive the care necessary. People at home are preparing to receive mother and child.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:38.924)
and

for this gingerweed, these absolute cowards, these haters of African people.

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:00.165)
hesitate to use any other words because I don't want to strip any human of their humanity because once we do that then we can become as barbaric as they to go into this place.

and to attack people in just a state of absolute vulnerability and see that as a mark of power. To cut off the life of a child before they even get a chance to be what they were, they came on earth to be. If there is a hell.

There is a very special place for these particular people and for all our new ancestors.

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:55.937)
All our premature ancestors, I pour this water for them right now and I say, yes, she.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:05.934)
As their tears, as their blood, blood so thick that it can be seen from satellites in the sky. My goodness. I say, Ashe. Their lives and their death will not be in vain. Ashe.

Yeah, so what do I think about this?

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:41.177)
Man, it ties into every story that we're going to cover today, every story that we've been covering since, at least I've been a part of A &R and I think since probably you started and everybody who's covered every story on Africa.

To the extent that we have been blessed in the way that we have with the minerals, with the resources that we have, there are always these external powers that are complicit in trying to extract from us. And there's always going to be this violence that is going to be imposed upon us as they try to extract everything that they can from us.

So in this particular story, you look at the role of the UAE, you look at the role of Egypt, the role of Saudi Arabia, the role of Russia, the role of Western private interests, whether it's the Wagner group, whatever different groups they call, that the groups that are supplying the arms, the intelligence, those buying the gold through RSF and all of these different mercenaries.

the Emirati firms buying the Sudanese gold through these RSF channels.

Aya Fubara Eneli (16:04.71)
And it's just more of this resource capture, more of this neo-colonial extraction. We know that this is a country rich with gold, gum, Arabic, the oil, the fertile land, and all of these global actors who will not leave us alone. But it's also these Arabs who are just intent on exterminating the more quote unquote African elements.

in this country. And then it's also the tragedy of the Pan-African project, of the African Union, the betrayal of African unity, the fragmentation that allows all of these external factors to continue to play.

on our countries in the way that they are. And we're going to see it as we look at all the other stories that we're going to cover today. The local elites, the warlords who are also benefiting.

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:06.576)
the Hamedit people, the Burhan who are controlling these vast business empires.

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:16.08)
And then...

We look at, you know what, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna let brother say what he needs to add to this. I'm overwhelmed with grief and I don't have any immediate answers as to how we stop this anytime soon because it does not appear that.

Adesoji Iginla (17:26.131)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:49.23)
we have.

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:53.756)
the courage as Africans to come together to fight this. And there is no appeal to outside.

forces that will bring about any peace here because it is not in their interest for there to be peace. It is absolutely in their interest for there to be continued chaos in these areas.

Adesoji Iginla (18:17.811)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (18:26.801)
Yes. Well, I mean, what else is there to be said? What you've not highlighted, the neocolonial aspects, the elite capture of the state, the internal fragmentation of supposedly a body of people. mean, Darfur is the size of Germany.

Just that for we're not even talking about Sudan. So imagine that side of a country that has been turned on its head. So comrade, you wanted to add.

Milton Allimadi (19:09.214)
Okay, so at the end of the day, this is on us as African people. But I'm happy to say that at least the process is ongoing. All of these things are interconnected. The young people are fighting to take control away from the neo-colonial leaders. And I think they will prevail. So we've had coup d'etat in Africa in the past, historically.

But the ones that we are seeing recently, these are qualitatively very different. sadly and tragically, we are going to have a few more situations like this as things sort themselves out in Africa. It's not going to be limited to Sudan alone. So you have Tanzania, for example, that's a powder keg. So you have a situation where

Adesoji Iginla (19:56.307)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (20:07.794)
Africans are being slaughtered in Sudan, but the priority of Samia, Suluhu in Tanzania, is to steal elections and impose herself. So that's why these leaders are completely morally bankrupt to be leading any African country. Instead of saying, we don't need any conflict right now in Tanzania.

We have urgent situations where our sisters, brothers, children are being killed in Sudan. Let me release all the opposition leaders. Let's talk, let's have true elections in this country because we cannot afford to have Tanzania become like Sudan. You see? And let's address our energies and talents toward resolving situations such as Sudan. But when you have leaders whose priority is to maintain power like Karl, like Paul Beer,

these guys. It just shows you the disconnect. How can you be the leader of African country? And you see how the conflict in Sudan, where you have two branches of the elite, of the elite, the military are the elite, and now have the racialized component. And you African leaders, you are commander in chiefs of military forces, and you're just standing by and watching this slaughter happen.

Adesoji Iginla (21:15.93)
and stand is good.

Milton Allimadi (21:31.869)
and you talk about international community, what does that mean? When you say international community, you're referring to Europeans, right? You're always appealing to them, the same folks that are still using divide and roll, right? So that's why I say all of these leaders just deserve to be removed. Let the young people seize power, let them make their own mistakes. Their own mistakes cannot be as bad as what we seeing in a lot of these African countries right now. So for example, why are we seeing the conflict in the Sudan, first of all?

because there was a transition led by the young people in Sudan that was going to result in civilian rule by young people. But the leader of the national army and the leader of the Janjaweed, General Burhan versus General Hamedi, decided to fight it out. So in the background, it means all this time they had been contesting as who is going to be on top, and they never took that process of civilian transition seriously. So let me...

at one other point. Why was the massacre occurring in Al-Fasha in the first place? Because the National Army abandoned Al-Fasha. Think about that.

Adesoji Iginla (22:33.457)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (22:45.887)
They're abandoned. just, you know, with their aircraft, with their helicopters, with their armored personnel, just decided to withdraw. So what could be the purpose? Were they inviting the massacre to happen so that they can then look better and gain the moral high ground? You know, it's so immoral that it is unfathomable, but not surprising. As I said, in each and every one of these countries, we need the young people to come to power, get rid of all these folks, you know.

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:12.657)
But while we're at

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:19.259)
talking about the young people coming to power and we saw this in the Liberian Civil War as well. We're looking at the recruitment of children fighters. We're looking at Colombian mercenaries that are being hired and brought into Sudan who are coming with a whole different mindset in terms of how they fight and how they're massacring people and how they're recruiting and training

Adesoji Iginla (23:38.291)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:47.706)
Sudanese children to just kill and maim and sexually abuse their own. And so on so many levels, the entire world is on fire. I mean, I know that with our focus, we're focusing on Africa, but of course, everything is interconnected. When we look at what's happening,

in the with the buildup in the Caribbean and how this man seems to want to start a war in the Caribbean and it's going to of course affect Black people in the diaspora.

We need to be concerned about what is happening across the board. And to what extent do we have an international community and are any of these communities working, whether it's the African Union or whether it's United Nations, like it just seems all of these entities are asleep at the wheel, but there are actors, Black Rock.

Wagner group, all of these stateless entities that are nonetheless wielding an incredible amount of power.

and destabilizing countries and ruining lives so that the number of people who've been displaced from Al-Fasher and then the number of people who have been killed is absolutely mind-boggling. And yet life continues just like here in the US. We're talking about millions of people not having access to food and other people are partying. Halloween continued as usual and nothing seems to faze us as human beings anymore.

Aya Fubara Eneli (25:28.137)
It's absolutely mind boggling to me.

Adesoji Iginla (25:28.912)
and

Adesoji Iginla (25:33.171)
Speaking of mind boggling, we go to Tanzania where, what can we say? It's that, it's that according to Bloomberg, according to Bloomberg, Tanzania and internet.

Milton Allimadi (25:40.561)
Yep, salute.

Milton Allimadi (25:45.327)
I can give you my prediction, she's not going to survive.

It's a matter of time, but she wants to ride. You know, it's a matter of time, but she wants to ride. You know?

Adesoji Iginla (26:01.233)
blackout as election unrest persists. And it reads, Tanzania authorities lifted an internet blackout on Thursday, a day after it was imposed to try and quell riots that broke out as the country voted in presidential and parliamentary elections. There she is, Samia Suluhoo Hassan, the 65-year-old president of Tanzania. President Samia seeks

sought a second term in the election and is almost guaranteed of victory because her main opponent, Tudu Lisu, who had been detained and is facing trial on treason charges was barred from running and was the second largest opposition candidate. Opposition supporters took to the streets on Wednesday to protest their exclusion. Dar es Salaam, the capital of Tanzania, is home to an important ally

important port used by Africa's top two copper producers, Zambia and Democratic Republic of Congo, and any deterioration in the security situation in the city risk for disrupting trade in the metal and the import of fuel and other goods destined for the two landlocked countries. There's a key part here. I mean, it goes into what she wanted in terms of elections, but this is the key part here.

Tanzania's first female leader Hassan is expected to preside over the rollout of a long delayed $42 billion liquid-fired natural gas facilities that Shell, PLC, EconorAS, and ExxonMobil Corp are helping develop during her second term. Her new administration is also set to make major investments in power plants, ports, and railways to attract more foreign investment. I mean, the fact that this news is highlighted in Bloomberg.

which is a money paper. What do we read into that? I mean, you could add the commentary of the elections as well, which by all accounts is a foregone conclusion. She is going to return to power. So, comrade, you go first. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So what's your take? I mean, you said she won't last. You might want to change your stance or...

Milton Allimadi (28:10.732)
There should already been declared the winner.

Milton Allimadi (28:25.608)
Okay, so let me address first the first part of question that you asked. You read the terms about the finances. And yes, of course, that's what they are primarily interested in. So they're saying is that, okay, the election is now over. Now we need stability so that we can preserve all these lucrative projects that she's working on. That's what they're saying. So this to me is what you call wishful thinking.

Adesoji Iginla (28:26.919)
maintenance.

Adesoji Iginla (28:52.819)
You

Milton Allimadi (28:55.561)
And I go back to what I said in the beginning. All of these things are connected. You have a continent where the median age is 19 years old, right? And then you have countries where unemployment is up to 50%. Do you really think these young people care what Bloomberg is saying? Of course not. They're unemployed and they need and they want and they deserve immediate solutions, right?

Adesoji Iginla (29:03.793)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:08.967)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (29:24.709)
And the immediate solutions are not there. Because even if young people came to power, it's going to be a process of reorienting their relationship with the West. The relationship that Africa has with the West now has been solidified over many decades, over a century, you see? So for young people to change that relationship is not going to be easy.

That's why in West Africa, it took three countries to decide that from now on, we're going to act collectively for them to survive this long. And of course, I'm talking about Alliance of Sahel States, Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger. They could not have gone individually. In fact, when Niger kicked out French and said they're going to take control of their uranium, they got a what? Two-week ultimatum, you see? But the French did not realize

they had thought in advance of the consequences and how will we deal with the consequences. They've been there for two years now because immediately after the French gave them the ultimatum using ECOAs as their mouthpiece, these countries said an attack on any one of us is an attack on all three of us, you see? And that's why the invasion never happened. That's why now we are reading about them taking control of the...

Adesoji Iginla (30:46.032)
all of us.

Milton Allimadi (30:50.745)
gold industry, wanting to do the smelting and the production locally. And that's the kind of conversation that more African countries need to be engaged in. Obviously, when Bloomberg writes like that, they are confident that Sulu would prevail and remain in the neocolonial orbit, which of course, you keep doing the same thing. What is the same?

Adesoji Iginla (31:00.189)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (31:20.612)
That's a definition of insanity, So we need change in all these countries. We need change in Tanzania and in Tanzania, which is more known for people being too laid back. You see? When people are too laid back, sometimes people underestimate them. So the whole continent was shaken up when they saw the ferocity of the protests in Tanzania. And I don't think they're going to go back to just folding their hands.

and let Salud do what she wants to do. I think how power is going to deteriorate, there could be intervention, there could be another election, there could be an intervention from the armed forces, but I think business as usual in Tanzania is over.

Adesoji Iginla (32:10.195)
Okay, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:13.295)
My heart breaks. My heart breaks for my people. I'm ready for a happy story from Africa.

Most Tanzanians we know live under very precarious situations. We know that over 70 % live under subsistence agriculture or informal trade. They are not benefiting from any of these royalties from their resources. We know that inflation and youth unemployment is

beyond 50%. So if you can just imagine that. We know that foreign firms and the local elites are capturing the surpluses, but the country's debt continues to rise.

Adesoji Iginla (32:54.675)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (33:07.667)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:08.121)
We know that under Nyerere, when he had the education for self-reliance, that they did have quantum leaps in terms of education, but that today their public schools face overcrowding, they have teacher shortages, there's underfunding for schools, and what's that their public education has actually really floundered. And it's really now about private education that is expanding, but serving mostly the urban elites in reinforcing inequality.

We know that less than 2 % of their GDP goes towards healthcare. And while the urban hospitals get support from donors and the oil companies and things like that, that in the rural areas, they don't have that kind of support.

Adesoji Iginla (33:58.747)
Inequality.

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:59.174)
But let me say this about Tanzania and all of our African countries. If my house.

is polluted with. Let me just say.

smallpox.

and I move out. But my house is not thoroughly cleansed, disinfected, completely like every, like they do whatever they need to do to make sure that the smallpox is cleaned out, completely eradicated. Anybody who moves into my house is most likely going to get infected.

Adesoji Iginla (34:28.051)
plans.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:48.775)
And what I'm seeing across Africa is that after colonial rule, we inherited a corrupted form of governance. So I don't quite frankly care who we elect or whether it's military or civilian or whatever rule. Once they

embrace that same corrupted system, governance system, they are automatically corrupted. I mean, we're gonna see that in one of the stories that you're going to cover next with Manchester. Whether it was Nkrumah, whether it was Banda, whether it was Kenyatta, whether it any, Awolowo, any of them. Once they got into power, into this corrupted system,

where the white people had already put in place a system that was about extracting goods. It wasn't about serving the people. It wasn't about building up the people. It was about extraction and taking it to the West.

Milton Allimadi (35:49.535)
you.

Adesoji Iginla (35:55.677)
It was about stewardship.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:02.47)
That's what we have. And so all of our leaders just come in and they are corrupted all the same. Now, what act will it require to say, you know what, we are, this is a beautiful edifice. It's the only edifice we can remember because we have forgotten what governing systems we had before, but we're going to burn this thing down even though we are so wanting.

Milton Allimadi (36:09.81)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (36:25.139)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:31.559)
to look like our masters? I mean, because what do we talk about when we talk about looking civilized? do we look like Dubai? Do we look like Paris? Those places are bastions of death built on the blood and the sweat and the bodies of your people. So the only way you can replicate that on your land is on the blood and the sweat and the bodies of your people.

Milton Allimadi (36:37.266)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:01.575)
Which means we have to totally abandon that concept. But if we're educated by them, and if that is what we think makes us look civilized, we are bound to keep going around this particular mountain till we extinguish ourselves.

Milton Allimadi (37:21.201)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:23.631)
So back to Tanzania and my sister, you know, we thought if we get women now in position that women are going to come in with a different mindset, but not, you know what, as a woman, I have to say women get into that house and they get corrupted as well. I don't know what else to say. I don't know what else to say. Yes. the global and the global and the global factors keep playing. Yes. They, they, they, they would like to keep that one party rule. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (37:38.685)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (37:42.739)
I mean, I would just like to say...

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:52.552)
98 % of the votes really Seriously, yeah, because let's not have any dissension and let's not have anybody vying for office because then we only have to deal with one party and as long as we you better believe she's getting kickbacks and Whoever else we got an oil there We got to keep them going but we can pay just that one party and we're extracting whatever we need to extract

African people we gotta wake up. That's all I have to say we have to wake up and it's not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be fun, but we have to do it

Adesoji Iginla (38:28.531)
Speaking of waking up, we need a president to stay awake. for that we go to Cameroon. the news is that this president doesn't seem to know how to lose. According to the BBC, the BBC says the 92 year old president who never loses, Paul Beer.

To absolutely no one's surprise, Cameroon Constitutional Council has proclaimed the re-election of 92-year-old President Paul Beer, the world's oldest heads of state, for an eighth successful term. A rumor of a close result and claims of victory by his main challenger, former government minister Isa Bakary, excite my attention had been building in run-up to Monday's declaration. Hopes for a shock result were briefly raised, consequently despite it being part of a long

10 % the official outcome, victory for Bia with 53.7 % ahead of Mr. Bakri's on 25.2 % came as a disappointment and an anticlimax for many Cameroonians. With extended stays abroad, habitually at the Intercontinental Hotel in Geneva or alternatively more discreet locations around the Swiss lakeside city.

has reportedly triggered speculation about the extent to which he's actually governing Cameroon or whether most decisions were in fact taken by prime minister or an ministers or the influential secretary general of the presidency, Ferdinand Hugo. Are we surprised or what do we make of this election result? I don't even know what to say.

Milton Allimadi (40:12.777)
All right, so I read initially I didn't I didn't know whether it was an article or what so I wrote it I wrote it and then I said no even by the standards of the BBC this is exceeding the level of corruption that I'm accustomed to so I said let me go to the very end of this article because it was a bit too blatant and then I realized it was actually an op-ed piece so when they don't

Adesoji Iginla (40:14.06)
comrade.

Milton Allimadi (40:42.419)
When it's not appropriate for them to reveal all their biases completely, they invite somebody to do an op-ed so that it's somebody else's byline. So they have some sort of like plausible deniability. So then it made sense because initially I always said, said, okay, let me get ready to respond to the BBC immediately. You know, this is completely out of whack.

Adesoji Iginla (40:49.085)
Comment.

Adesoji Iginla (40:54.995)
You

Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (41:10.707)
you

Milton Allimadi (41:11.25)
And then I said to myself, wait a minute, this is too blatant. It doesn't sound like an article. This has to be an opinion piece. And then I went to the end and then I realized, yes, it was an opinion piece from this guy from Chatham House. So this is actually a much more blatant version of what Bloomberg was doing for Tanzania. It's like I reach actually like a press release, you know, written by

the Minister of Information in Cameroon. And now I wonder, you know, this European guy who wrote this is at Katam House, I would want to explore further his relationship with the government of Cameroon, officials of Cameroon. It was so explicit. I mean, first of all, you say,

So basically telling us that even though this guy is 92, this guy is probably asleep all the time. You're saying the guy offers a balancing act. A balancing act at 92. Balancing what? Between the parts of the country that is anglophone and the parts of the country that is francophone. So the minute I saw that, I said, okay, this is an apologia for the Cameroon regime.

Adesoji Iginla (42:17.235)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (42:38.233)
And then he refers to the Civil War, which has claimed tens of thousands of lives, Women being raped, children being killed, people being displaced. He refers to it only in one sentence as the crisis in the Anglophone part of the country. My God. Even by standards of propagandists, know, good propagandists,

Adesoji Iginla (42:57.971)
Exactly, exactly.

Milton Allimadi (43:04.913)
at least would make it sound a little better. One sentence, and to refer it as a quote-unquote a crisis, it is beyond comprehension, even for an apologist. And then he buries what should have been the lead and what he should have explored as the very last sentence. So perhaps you could read that last sentence in this apologia at the very, bottom.

Adesoji Iginla (43:30.489)
last sentence. Let me go there. Okay, very bottom.

last sentence.

Adesoji Iginla (43:44.517)
Okay, so for Cameroon, the US determination to secure an eighth presidential term has brought high risk and painful cost.

Milton Allimadi (43:51.771)
Boom. And yet he never discussed that in the entire article. This is like a, like like like a comedian.

Adesoji Iginla (43:59.347)
That's Paul Mellie.

Milton Allimadi (44:03.46)
Yeah, so that's my comment on this article.

Adesoji Iginla (44:05.413)
Okay, sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:13.768)
So hard to have any conversations on any of these articles without going back to the beginning. The very name Cameroon, who are, who, who, what is this land mass now called Cameroon? That's not what the people call themselves. Who are these people? Right? Where did that name come from?

Milton Allimadi (44:21.229)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (44:36.659)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:38.97)
What did the people call themselves? Do you know that this area includes the Bantu, their different linguistic landscapes, if you will. You have the Niger Congo, the Bantu people. You have the Atlantic Congo, the Fulfu Day people.

You have the Chaddic, the Afro-Asian people. You have the Nilo-Saharan people. You have the Ubangayan people as well. You have a group of people who were colonized by Germany initially. And then after World War I, they basically came and said, OK, wait a second. We're going to divide the spoils.

Adesoji Iginla (44:59.067)
It's

Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (45:16.369)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they became.

Adesoji Iginla (45:24.231)
Germany is lost.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:26.728)
And it was, where do you want to go? And it's like, France is taking this part and then Britain is taking this part. Right. And then eventually there was even a part where it's like, okay, who did, when, when Cameroon was created, which part wants to go with Nigeria and which part wants to go with, with, with Cameroon. And so you have an Anglophone speaking Cameroon and you have a Francophone speaking Cameroon.

Adesoji Iginla (45:34.739)
Nigeria, Britain is taking this part,

Adesoji Iginla (45:48.871)
Yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (45:54.069)
Franco-French speaking camera. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:56.2)
And there were supposed to be two separate states within Cameroon, but that word Cameroon actually came from the river of prawns. And it was the Germans who first started calling Cameroon, but that's not what the people call themselves. So like, you gotta even go back to how did all of these divisions begin?

Adesoji Iginla (46:00.391)
Correct? Correct.

Adesoji Iginla (46:23.955)
Yeah. And the German spelled there with a K, I suppose with a C, which is what the French now spelled it with. And also, it's important to also highlight the fact that Cameroon is one of the most diverse countries on the African continent. In fact, it's the most diverse. It has about maybe 402 ethnic groups.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:25.809)
And then who, yeah, go ahead.

Yes? Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (46:54.579)
speaking diverse languages from one town to the other. So again, you would expect that anybody that inherits, like you said, inherits that place, understands, brings all those people into conversation. But no, it's been power from the top down. And we begin to see all of these machinations post the First World War.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:54.963)
There you go. There you go.

Adesoji Iginla (47:23.773)
That is when all of this nonsense really started. Who goes where? People were divided as if you're cutting up a slice of cake. Regardless of the people's, know, customs, language, their runnings with the other neighboring peoples, they were just lumped together. And so all the manifestation in fact, with the story we've seen in Sudan,

is also passed back down to colonialism. The British

Aya Fubara Eneli (47:59.12)
And that is why I said we gotta go back and understand the history. Cause if we don't, then we turn around and why this black people, why we always fighting each other? can't Africans get along? Like it's really all been engineered to keep us at loggerheads with each other. And if we don't remember our history, we don't even begin to understand why we started fighting each other.

Adesoji Iginla (48:23.069)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:23.665)
and why we continue to fight each other so that we can get to a point where we're like, wait a second, we don't have to fight each other. Like these are manufactured, like we can stop. Like we can make it, but we've got to remember and we have to go back to a time when we said, okay, when we used to live side by side, how did we address our conflicts?

Adesoji Iginla (48:31.091)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:48.817)
What was the different way that we were able to, whether it was intermarrying, whatever it was that we did, what were the different ways that we were able to come together and work together? So having put that in context, like with any of our stories, go back and do that history. And hey, a good place to start is to go and get a copy of our brother's book, Adesuji Ginla's book, Africa Illuminated. It can get you, you can just get started with an understanding of.

Adesoji Iginla (49:00.946)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:18.921)
It's amazing to about the 54 nations, right? We have the same oppressors. Yes, Peggy. So now let's talk about Paul Beer, born in 1933. I know we've covered this before, but let's look at who is running Cameroon. Y'all pay attention. He's got really the one who seems to be running it.

Ferdinand N'Gongo, who's in his early 60s, the secretary general of the presidency is Ferdinand N'Gongo. There's a minister of defense who is 65, minister of territorial administration is 86, the head of the National Hydrocarbons Corporation is 91, the Senate president is 85, the speaker of the National Assembly is 90, the chief of police is the...

I mean, it's crazy. It's a general autocracy. And it's like when, when, when brother Alamadi was talking about let the youth rule, it's like what has happened to our elders who used to understand the concept of training the younger ones and stepping aside and being advisors. But this is what happens.

Adesoji Iginla (50:33.427)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (50:35.9)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:39.537)
When you fall, when you get into a corrupted system and you become corrupted yourself. So Queen Elizabeth doesn't leave till she dies, right? And Trump now has to be, I mean, you just see the system. Putin is not going to leave till he dies. And African leaders believing now this is mine. I own it. The people don't own it. Now remember,

Adesoji Iginla (51:00.338)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:09.405)
We used to have kings, right? Or bars, all of that. But the understanding was you were a steward. You worked for the people. You didn't own it. And then they were your subjects in that sense. And you answered to a higher power as well. And now it's completely different, but.

Adesoji Iginla (51:18.131)
Hmm, people, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:35.045)
With with Kim and Roon, the idea that Bia is providing some stability and of course I would have loved to see in this article just how much Kim and Roon is paying into the economy of Switzerland on an annual basis. Brother Alamadi, is there a place where we can get that figure? How much does he pay that hotel in Geneva or the other places that he stayed? How much is Kim and Roon?

Adesoji Iginla (51:55.827)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:03.945)
paying into the coffers of Switzerland on an annual basis. I would like to know that particular information. Yes, Peggy, JD is waiting in the wings and apparently his new first lady is going to be Erica Kirk. But time will tell.

Adesoji Iginla (52:05.363)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (52:08.633)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (52:17.619)
Whoop. Whoop. Whoop.

Milton Allimadi (52:18.938)
All right. So actually the amount.

Adesoji Iginla (52:23.079)
me there is one there is one thing there is one

Milton Allimadi (52:25.06)
about these spends in Switzerland is actually probably very small compared to what France is getting for Total Energies and all those French companies. So Cameroon essentially is a French project. And, you know, of course, France prefers these old folks who have already made their tens or millions or even a billion, and they don't want to rock the boat. So that's the ideal perfect state for them. But

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:39.401)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (52:39.475)
Hmm

Milton Allimadi (52:55.415)
You know, nothing can stop a movement whose time has arrived. And I think we are seeing the second, third revolution in Africa. last time we had this kind of authentic revolution was 1950s, 1960s. That led to independence. And of course, as you said, the very people who won the independence struggle stifled the revolution. They said, okay, okay, okay.

Adesoji Iginla (53:07.089)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (53:25.399)
They had mobilized the masses. They kicked out European, formal at least, colonialism. They got to the state house and then they told the masses, okay, okay, okay, guys, now you can go home. They essentially disbanded the movement instead of using the momentum of that movement to say, okay, to talk to Europeans, see, my people are dissatisfied. My people want us to rearrange our economic relationship, the terms of trade with you guys.

Adesoji Iginla (53:39.731)
We will take it from here.

Milton Allimadi (53:56.298)
Otherwise, my people are not going to be producing any more cocoa, any more coffee, any more tea. So let's talk to my people. That would have been the strategy, right? But they started their private conversations with the former colonial powers, and they were rewarded. Not a single one of them is not wealthy, except you had exceptions like Julius Nyerere, right? Who didn't care, but was not motivated by...

Adesoji Iginla (54:10.803)
Yep, correct.

Milton Allimadi (54:25.601)
personal financial aggrandizement, you see? So now you have all these unemployed young people. They are on social media, so they have all this concept of how to engage in struggle. They know how young people live in other parts of the world. It is going to be very difficult to bribe them because they don't have one or two designated leaders. They can't go to Kenya and say, okay, who's the leader of the young people? Let's bribe him, right?

Adesoji Iginla (54:31.313)
Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (54:55.797)
So what did they try in Kenya? They even kidnapped like what 10 to 15 people they thought were the leaders of the Gen Z uprising in Kenya. Immediately the same day, there were new young people who stepped up. So they don't realize yet that they're living at a time where they're going to be swept away. Suluhu, I thought was much smarter.

Adesoji Iginla (55:06.695)
the movement.

Adesoji Iginla (55:19.825)
world has moved on.

Milton Allimadi (55:24.177)
I didn't know that she would go all the way by keeping that guy locked up, you know, and actually having a sham election when the other guy, you know, and you know, first of all, he was disqualified because if he had been on the ballot, even from prison, he would have defeated her. He would have. So she made sure that number one, he was locked up and he was disqualified. So you could not even vote for him. You see, very key thing.

Adesoji Iginla (55:43.422)
Yeah, I would have one. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (55:51.453)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (55:52.348)
The locking up of the Lord itself was not the major problem. know, locking him up made him actually much more popular. He would have won in a landslide, but she didn't take any chances. She scratched his name off the battle. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (56:03.315)
True? Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (56:13.373)
Well, the only thing I find very funny about the Paul Bia story is his link with Switzerland. Usually when people get old, they want to go and live somewhere warm. Why would you want to go and live in the cold? The last time I checked, the sun does.

Milton Allimadi (56:30.872)
at least he's safe because that's Switzerland at least he's safe. That's what I would say.

Adesoji Iginla (56:37.555)
True, true, true, true, true, true, true, true. Thank you very much. Yes, yes, yes. The neutral status of Switzerland was how the Nazis were able to, you know, cut away some of their wealth. And yes, we continue to. True, true, true. Yeah, for the final story, this actually forms probably a history lesson in itself. It's called the...

Radical Manchester Event, and it comes from the BBC. And for those who don't know, that is Jomo Keata in his younger days, the first president of the Republic of Kenya in 1964, who would, for want of a better word, later sell out the Kenyan land and freedom army. Guys, in October 19, okay, so it reads,

In October 1945, delegates from across the world descended on a town hall on the outskirts of Manchester city centre, being in England, mid England, to attend a seismic event in African politics, the ripple effect of which still resonates 80 years later. Titled the Pan-African Congress, held between 15 and the 21st of October 1945, was a key moment for the movement of deliberated of that.

that liberated many Africans from colonial rule. Amongst those who attended were Obafemi Aolaw, one of the driving forces of Nigerian independence, feminist and human rights campaigner, Amy Ashwood Good, Gavi, someone we've talked about on women and resistance. If you go back into catalog, you could see that. Trinidadian radical George Padmore and the future presidents of Malawi, Ghana, and Kenya, Hastings Banda.

Kwame Nkrumah and Jomo Kenyatta. You've both read this article. What was your take on it? And the fact...

Adesoji Iginla (58:42.333)
Do we have any lessons that we could pull from that conference that should resonate now because we are told the effect still resonates eight years later?

Milton Allimadi (58:52.91)
Yes, let's sister go first

Adesoji Iginla (58:55.795)
I'll start with the comrade. okay.

Milton Allimadi (58:57.766)
I know maybe, yeah, please.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:59.281)
Okay, I will go.

You know what was amazing about this, the fifth Pan-African Congress was that it was, I think it was more inclusive than the initial, the first ones in the sense that it was not as elitist. There were more quote unquote commoners involved. So they were definitely.

Adesoji Iginla (59:19.176)
The Fast Food.

Adesoji Iginla (59:24.029)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:27.275)
trade unionists that were part of it. There were women activists that were part of it. And those of you who've been listening to Women in Resistance, we've covered some women who were able to attend this as well. Of course, we had radical intellectuals. We covered Amy Ashwood Garvey, who was a part of this as well. And of course, the great W.E.B. Du Bois, who had attended all of them. I think he was the one who was at every single one of them.

Adesoji Iginla (59:37.479)
Who are talking it? Yeah, Claudia Jones.

Adesoji Iginla (59:49.043)
Do more.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:57.62)
And, but I think that this one was definitely a pivot from just protest to actually power. Like, like this was one that was okay, here's a blueprint for actual decolonization. What I see though from this is that,

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:19.143)
As you can see that many of the individuals who attended this went on to quote unquote lead the independence movement in Africa and certainly played roles in the United States as well and in the Caribbean too. But it looks like we figured out how to agitate for and gain political power, but not economic power.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:42.35)
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:50.911)
And then, and then also looks like we figured out how to institutionalize Pan-Africanism. But maybe we lost the revolutionary spirit a little bit because these revolutionaries who were on the streets doing the things, all of that suddenly became part of the status quo. So now they're the ones heading the government. They're the ones basically telling the students calm down or

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:12.157)
system.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:20.297)
We got to do things a certain way. They're the ones in charge of the government apparatus. And it changes things. And so you see that the complexities in terms of how Kenyatta and Banda, who were once radicals, now all of a sudden become like authoritarians in how they're governing, right? Or you look at Awolowo, who was this visionary who...

Milton Allimadi (01:01:37.559)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:42.867)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:48.137)
is kind of constrained in the way that he governs and how he sees Nigeria's role, even in terms of the idea of a United States of Africa. And so looking at 1945 and lessons learned in 2025, 80 years later, political independence achieved, but certainly economic independence.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:15.053)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:16.722)
unfulfilled, we remain export dependent, racial equality is definitely incomplete. We're still dealing with absolute systemic racism globally. There's not a place on the globe where we're not dealing with systemic racism. Our peace and sovereignty still undermined by coups and external interventions. We're still very much saddled by death, maybe even more so.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:34.439)
height in gender violence.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:40.627)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:46.628)
Women are still very much not part of the equation in the way that we should. Patriarchy even now more so seems to have a stranglehold. Yes, Africa has had more presidents than of course the United States, which has had none. But when you look at overall the role of African women,

Certainly compared to pre-colonial times, we are not doing much better. So.

Am I excited about what I'm seeing amongst our youth? Yes. Do I feel like they're undergirded by the same kind of intellectual curiosity? Perhaps not as much. Is that good or bad? It depends because part of...

Our education also made us wedded to Western ideology, which was a problem for us, has been a problem for us. But at the same time, you also don't want people who are just passionate but don't have a guiding ideology either. And so what are we organizing around? So.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:03.389)
to it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:09.718)
The Manchester Congress, definitely not just a historical meeting. It continues to reverberate today, but we still need to examine the lessons from it and how we are going to apply it to today. And I wish that it wasn't sold out. I did try to sign up for the event because they have a virtual component, I guess.

But I'm on the wait list, so we'll see. Because it's November 3rd, I believe. That's the second part that they're having. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:42.215)
comrade?

Milton Allimadi (01:04:43.187)
Yeah, I think sister actually touched on all the key points that I would have wanted to touch on also. Every aspect. I would just add perhaps that it just shows how Amy, Ashwood Garvey is underestimated. She was a major intellectual in her own right. She was the co-founder together with Garvey of Negro World.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:46.268)
Your take.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:04.434)
Uh-huh.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:10.343)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:13.701)
and she proved that she was an independent intellectual because they got divorced very early, I think in the 1920s. And yet she remained relevant for many decades. I don't think Garvey ever set foot on the continent, but she did. She went to a number of African countries. She was in Liberia, she went to Nigeria, she made contacts there. When she was in England, she worked with Nigerians to form student movements.

race funds. This woman was just phenomenal. I don't think this article, even though I mentioned she was only one or two women that spoke, and sort of did mention her a few times, but not sufficiently. She was really a dynamic heavyweight. so sister touch on how many of these emerging leaders turned. I would also want to know that. In fact, and you know, sometimes when you

read stuff like that, you hear somebody speaking, so as I'm listening to you speak, my journalistic instincts are lighting up. And I'm wondering what sort of deal did imperialism make with Banda, Kamuzu Banda, and what sort of deal did they make with Yomo Kenyatta? And, you know, are these somewhere in their archives? I mean, by now, they would have been opened up, and it could be there, it just could be that nobody has been looking for that particular...

type of information because they definitely made deals. Otherwise, all of them would have turned out to be like Kwame and Krumah. And I'm sure they have documentation of trying to make deals with Krumah and Krumah refusing, you know? And then in terms of, sorry? Yeah, so in terms of the ideology for young people, I think since, you know,

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:54.557)
Thanks

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:58.663)
Yeah, fun enough you should see.

Gone, gone, gone. We'll finish the talk. Finish the talk.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:11.093)
sometimes ideology tends to become a bit thick. So I think for our young people, I would keep it simple for them. I would say just pursue the Thomas Sankara ideology. And that is why Traure is very popular right now because it keeps invoking Thomas Sankara. So if we break it to them that way, they can embrace it. And Sankara, of course, one of the United States or Africa.

Sankara wanted Africa's market to be reserved for Africa. He wanted Africans to produce what they consume and consume only what they produce. So I think that's what we should promote to our young people.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:50.129)
this year.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:54.973)
Yeah. I just like to add the key part there, which is it was called the Pan-Africanist Congress for a reason. This idea was that Africans could do for self what they wanted, regardless of, you know, external import. And the understanding of how powerful that idea was is documented by W.E.B. Du Bois in his book, The World and Africa.

You said earlier that he was the one person that attended all the five. In fact, he said in his book there that from the first one up to the last one, it was made difficult for the delegates to travel, but the countries were there. And the reason is simple. We cannot possibly allow these people to come together. But when they did and they got in power, did you think they stopped?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:08:41.899)
Yes. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:55.923)
Your guess is as good as mine. They did it. And how did we know that? There was a book that came out in 2022, which is White Malice by Susan Williams, where she talked about how the CIA went after all of these leaders simply because you were quote unquote, pro people. No, you have to do our bidding. So they started with the gentleman in Congo.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:09:07.627)
Now let's.

Milton Allimadi (01:09:08.106)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:26.237)
Patrice Lumumba walked their way to West Africa, Maldives, C.V. Olympio, Kwame Nkrumah, Amika Cabra, Mondale in Mozambique, Samura Machel, and even up to recently, Thomas Sankara. And they have not stopped. So again, like the good comrades said, yeah, follow Sankara. Understand, you can read Sankara Speaks.

in there, all his speeches are there, his ideology is down there, the kind of books he read is also in there. So that way you could have a concrete idea of what he envisioned for Africa and that could be a working ideology.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:14.907)
And so, that said, we've come to the end of another episode of African News Review. And yeah, the time flies when we're having fun. But that's it. Any final thoughts, comrade?

Milton Allimadi (01:10:36.817)
luta continua. mean, we are witnessing, you know, this revolution, a revolution is ongoing, a revolution, as Malcolm said, I think was it a message to the grassroots. He said, you know, many of us, can't stomach a revolution. You know, revolution is not really peaceful. It's turbulent. It's messy. It's unpleasant. But, you know, it's transition. And it's amazing that

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:57.651)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:01.885)
Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:06.888)
So you know Malcolm, when Malcolm, because it's impossible for anybody to transition that quickly, right? From the Malcolm from 64 to 65, the year he was expelled from the nation of Islam. So in March, he's out. By February, by the time Malcolm is killed, he's talking about class struggle, about capitalism, about exploitation of laborers.

I don't believe anybody can learn all of that within a less than a one year period. I think even when Malcolm was adhering to the rhetoric of the nation of Islam, know, blue-eyed devils and all that, Malcolm was already actually studying, you know, political economy. And, you know, and that's what he takes. And he said it. said, listen, revolution is bloody. But at the end, that's how transition occurs.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:53.587)
You

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:58.951)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:12:03.28)
He discussed China, and at that time, China was revolutionary, but China was not even an industrial power yet. Imagine. He could see all of that. So I say all this suggests that Africa right now is going through that type of transition. And once we have people who are in control of our natural resources, I think it's a matter of 15 years to 20 years before our economies are transformed.

So those are my final words for today.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:33.533)
Yes. Sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:12:37.122)
I believe John Henry Clark said that education, the purpose of education is to teach us how to use power. And we saw.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:12:52.416)
Marco Rubio, whatever his name is called, Secretary of State for the United States of America, I'm assuming under the directive of the Felon-in-Chief, will bear power this past week against Wale Shoinka, Nobel Laureate from Nigeria, when they decided to revoke his visa.

I really appreciated our elders response, was like a very polite F you and your visa.

He tongue-in-cheek was like I was paying you a compliment when I said you were the white so he didn't mean whatever he said but What I took from that is other people Pay attention to what people say and do and they use their power

accordingly to reward or punish people based on whether they are doing things that benefit or hurt them from their worldview. You can agree with their worldview or not, but from their lens, okay, you are hurting me. You are on my side. I'm going to wield my power to either, yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:22.845)
cut your shirt.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:14:24.559)
You know acknowledge thank you for being my ally or hey, you're my enemy and I'm going to cut you at the knees People of African descent often are not studying those who are our sworn enemies and even when we realize that they are we are still

Adesoji Iginla (01:14:38.801)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:14:43.201)
appealing to their better senses. We are still dancing around with fire. We are still welcoming them into our bosoms. We are still hoping against hope that we are going to somehow today, they cut us every time we hug them, but today it will be different. And I would just like us to start wielding power differently and not to

become like our enemies, but to love ourselves enough to start taking care of ourselves. Because if these people can come in and murder pregnant women, newborn babies, children in incubators, damn it, we need to start operating differently.

Milton Allimadi (01:15:16.329)
Yep, that's the key thing. We have to love ourselves.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:15:43.873)
We need to start wielding power differently.

Adesoji Iginla (01:15:46.899)
Yeah, I would just like to pay homage to the last month we had. lost October to me as fast becoming the month of the martyrs. We lost Samara Macha October 19, 1986. We lost Thomas Sankara October 15, 1987. We lost Maurice Bishop October 19, 1983. All in October. So I think it's

It's a testament to our fight that these three gentlemen went in October and they all died fighting imperialism. So people, we need to read. There is no short cut to understanding how to fight against your enemy except study your enemy. I don't want to quote Sheik Guevara said, you have to be ready. You have to study your enemy.

because your enemy is studying you. what else is there to say? So until next week, it's good night and God bless.