EP 8 Thiaroye Update, Sudanese Make BNP Paribas Pay, Anglican Faces Abuses Action and More | African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News Review, Adesoji Iginla, alongside Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq., looked at the pressing issues affecting Africa and the African diaspora. 

The Panel spoke on the rise of racism and Islamophobia in the New York Mayoral Race, the role of religious leaders in advocating for justice, and the historical legacy of colonialism. 

They also delve into the recent fallout from Prince Andrew's scandal, the ongoing sexual abuse crisis within the Church of England, especially in Zimbabwe and Africa in General, and the need for legal accountability for human rights abuses. 

The conversation highlights the importance of historical accountability and reparations in looking at the case brought by three Sudanese Refugees against BNP Paribas. 

The new report on the Thiaroye Massacre as well as the political repression currently seen in Tanzania, was also discussed.

Takeaways

*The conversation highlights the ongoing issues of racism and Islamophobia in political discourse.
*Radicalisation is often a response to unfulfilled promises of justice and equality.
*Religious leaders have a crucial role in denouncing hate speech and advocating for justice.
*The fallout from Prince Andrew's scandal reflects broader issues of accountability in leadership.
*The Church of England's legacy in Africa is marred by historical abuses and calls for reparations.
*Sexual abuse within religious institutions raises questions about trust and accountability.
*Colonialism has lasting impacts on African identity and societal structures.
*Legal accountability for human rights abuses is essential for justice.
*Banks play a significant role in financing conflicts and should be held accountable.
*Historical accountability is necessary to address past injustices and prevent future ones.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
01:03 Racism and Islamophobia in Politics
04:12 Radicalisation and the American Dream
05:57 The Role of Religious Leaders
08:10 Royal Controversies and Accountability
11:45 Political Turmoil and Social Issues
13:19 Church of England's Legacy in Zimbabwe
14:15 Sexual Abuse and Institutional Accountability
27:16 Legal Accountability for Financial Institutions
30:43 The Impact of Legal Actions on African Atrocities
35:35 The Role of Multinational Corporations in African Conflicts
40:02 Uncovering Historical Injustices: The Thiaroye Massacre
51:41 Political Dynamics in Tanzania: A Shift in Power
56:20 The Need for Structural Change in Governance

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.9)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I'm your host, usual, Adesaji Ginla, and with me are two of the most brilliant African minds I know. Start with the sister. She is Ayafabeira Eneli, host, Rethinking Freedom, author of Tabuk X Kiske's Me Now. Yeah, Rethinking Freedom as well. Sorry?

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:26.369)
Well, author of Your Self-Love Revolution. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (00:31.86)
Self-Love Revolution, yes, yes, yes, Self-Revolution. And yes, and co-host of Women and Resistance, a midweek special which you can find on this channel. The gentleman needs no other introduction other than the man who renamed River Thames as River Gulu. Explorer extraordinaire, journalist, broadcaster, comrade Milti Alimadi.

Milton Allimadi (00:34.606)
every time.

Milton Allimadi (00:52.248)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01.24)
Welcome, comrade.

Milton Allimadi (01:02.414)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04.811)
Yes, and as it's usual here, so we begin. News where you're at, let's start with the sister. She seems to be smiling this way.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:12.125)
No, no, I wanna hear the brothers news.

Milton Allimadi (01:15.82)
I mean, this is all over the place now, the way Mayor Adams and Cuomo, former Governor Cuomo, have gone complete nuclear in terms of the racism and Islamophobia, the desperation. So when Adams endorsed Cuomo, whom he was a few weeks ago insulting in the worst language possible, but when he endorsed him, he said, I, of course, am disappointed.

Adesoji Iginla (01:26.319)
the clear.

Milton Allimadi (01:46.026)
that I'm not the one who's getting ready to quote unquote, take down Mamdani. Take down Mamdani in a toxic environment, that's not even like a subtle signal to the nuts that are out there. There's already a guy who was extradited from Texas for threatening him and his family. And this is the kind of language that Adams is, know, Adams

Adesoji Iginla (02:04.26)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (02:15.552)
We knew Adams was really bad, but now he's even exceeded our low expectations of him. He said, know, New York is not Europe. We don't want New York to be turned into Germany where you have all this Islamic attacks. We don't want New York to be turned like Nigeria where you're burning down the churches.

And right behind him, Cuomo is standing right there. Like this is my step-in fetch it. You know, I can't, as a European American, I can't be this explicitly racist and Islamophobic. So let me use this. I don't even know the word to use for Adams now. So that to me is the news of the week. And so in fact, that's one of the questions when I asked him when I interviewed Imamdani, I said,

Adesoji Iginla (02:52.336)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (03:13.438)
When Adam uses a language like that, is it not clear that he's actually sending not even a subtle message to some nut out there? So he nods and says, listen, when I leave my home now, me and my wife, we have to go out with armed protection because of the threats against us. So of course that kind of language is racist. So I ask him, do you think other religious or spiritual leaders are doing enough to denounce that kind of language?

and to urge the candidates, just stick with it. You don't like the guy because, you know, he's a democratic circle, say so, and critique his policies and say why he won't work and why New Yorkers must reject it. But, know, it's...so I see, I really hope it doesn't escalate and get into very dangerous territory in the remaining nine or so days that are left in this campaign.

Adesoji Iginla (03:48.255)
policies.

Adesoji Iginla (04:13.2)
Wow, Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:15.52)
I saw a meme this morning and it was a young black male, young man. And he said, you're asking me when I got radicalized. I'll tell you when I got radicalized. I got radicalized when every day at school at 7 a.m. I would recite a pledge and I would say, and liberty and justice for all. And I believed it.

Adesoji Iginla (04:41.978)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:44.188)
And so the question is, have we, and I know what the answer is, but have we just been throwing around words? But they really, it was just to placate people, but you really had no intention of living up to those words. And that's what African-Americans have always done in this country is, I wouldn't say force, because we have a force, but try to persuade white America to live up.

to the ideals that it professed that it embodied.

when you are the quote unquote democracy officer, police officer of the world, telling everybody else what democracy should look like, what does it look like on your own land? And for them to be so openly and blatantly racist and Islamophobic in this way. And then the question is for Eric Adams, what is your end game besides that you're just a sore loser?

Milton Allimadi (05:17.841)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (05:43.311)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (05:47.677)
It is clear that Trump has not rewarded any of his other boys, his black boys. He has not rewarded them with any of the things he's rewarded the white boys with. So, I mean, I guess you got your pardon or they made your charges go away temporarily.

Adesoji Iginla (05:55.92)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (06:00.241)
Right. Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (06:08.608)
So you trying to make sure they go away permanently because they didn't give you a permanent, but you know power pardon in that sense Like what is his end game and I and then because I have children and I know the conversations I have with my children is his mother alive It's his father alive Does he have any brothers or sisters or uncles or aunts like? What are the black and even the black?

Milton Allimadi (06:25.452)
Very good question. Very good question.

Adesoji Iginla (06:25.669)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (06:37.344)
clergymen and women who supported him. The other, where is Hakeem Jeffries with his Muslim sounding name? Where is Schumer? Where are all of them in speaking up? And then all of these, like he said, these religious leaders, where are they in calling out this absolute evil? But this is the country that we live in now and

Adesoji Iginla (06:47.742)
Milton Allimadi (07:00.121)
Yeah, yeah, it's terrible.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:06.656)
I hope he lives, and I hope that he definitely wins this.

Adesoji Iginla (07:20.472)
Yes, so.

Milton Allimadi (07:21.857)
Yeah, no, those are correct points. You asked a very good pertinent question. think Jeffreys endorsed him yesterday. I tweeted, I said, that's like endorsing him on November the 5th. But you know, but he took it graciously and he thanked him for it. know, but you're right. Adams is very, you know, beyond even a bitter loser. And you asked the pertinent question, toward what end? You are escalating the toxicity.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:36.627)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (07:49.878)
just because you're not going to be mayor anymore? And then how are you going to walk it back after the fact when it's already out of the bag? So that's a good question.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:00.185)
Has the nation of Islam said anything? They have a major mosque in New York City. Have they said anything?

Adesoji Iginla (08:03.779)
I don't think so.

Milton Allimadi (08:03.8)
Well, the nature was bad.

Milton Allimadi (08:07.936)
The nation has been quiet lately, and I think a lot of it also has to do with a minister of Arakhan, who is very senior citizen now. So I think that accounts for the lack of activity. But I'm sure the nation, of course, would repudiate something like that. And most of the other Islamic ministers have come out. But we need to hear from non-Muslims.

Adesoji Iginla (08:18.372)
Yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (08:27.545)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:27.56)
So it's not so.

Milton Allimadi (08:34.294)
Muslim leaders also come out, the Christian churches.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:36.744)
Yeah, we definitely do. We definitely do.

Milton Allimadi (08:39.967)
I think he's speaking of Abyssinian today, so I'm sure Abyssinian would come out strongly to denounce this kind of toxicity that's being spread by Adams and Cuomo.

Adesoji Iginla (08:40.216)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (08:52.112)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (08:53.844)
like to hear what the Jews are saying. What are the Jewish leaders saying?

Adesoji Iginla (08:57.744)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (08:57.769)
Very good question.

Adesoji Iginla (09:00.622)
Yeah, interesting. Yeah, so it's a wait and see situation. The news here is a book came out in the course of the week titled Nobody's Girl. It's, yes, Virginia Dufray's book, which is partly ghost-rided. And the fallout of that is the Duke of York, Prince Andrew, gave up his titles.

Aya Fubara Eneli (09:14.21)
yes.

Adesoji Iginla (09:30.652)
And, but that doesn't seem to be enough for the British establishment. They want his brother to go in hard. One of the key things is he's living rent free in a Royal Lodge. So if you've given up your title and you've not paid rent in that Royal Lodge for, let's say for the better part of 22 years, at his claimed, it's he's been asked to leave. Now it would be nice if he's asked to leave and you know, that's left open.

In fact, Prince William and his wife has given him till bonfire day, November 5, 2025, to leave the Royal Lodge or else. So that is the news making the rounds over here. So.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:16.241)
Well, for your listeners who may not be aware, who's Virginia?

Adesoji Iginla (10:22.764)
so Virginia Jeffrey was 17 at the time of her abuse in the hands of the likes of trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein to the likes of Prince Andrew and a yet unnamed prime minister, which everybody seems to know. you know, so read the book. Nobody's girl. It's it's all in there.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:35.936)
you

Adesoji Iginla (10:52.174)
Although no names were literally named, but there's enough cookie crumbs for you to know who is being spoken about. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (11:02.695)
All right, so they need to be careful how they deal with this guy, Andrew, because if he becomes so bitter, he could say, hey, if you want me to pay rent, then all of us should start paying rent. And you might find people, a lot of people would support that concept as well, especially in these hard times.

Adesoji Iginla (11:16.688)
you

Adesoji Iginla (11:21.924)
So too-

You raise a very good question but the problem seems to be because the establishment cannot go directly to him. They have to go through his brother the king. He is also...

Milton Allimadi (11:36.026)
I understand that, but he could start a conversation that would question the entire existence of the monarchy itself, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (11:42.936)
which is what is off for debate at the moment. It's like, let's push this guy out before the wagon starts circling. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see in the course of the week what happens. But yeah. So from...

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:59.233)
So interesting that fallout on your side of the pond and here in the US we are tearing down the East Wing. We are purporting to start construction right before winter, which anyone in construction will tell you this timing makes no sense. We are exposing where the bunker is that the president and

Senior staff may hide in should should there be a major issue for all the world to see there were no Permits that were Issued for the the demolition These were this was an old structure that most likely had asbestos all of that. It's raining You know, it's fall now. So this stuff is being carried around. There's so much going on and in the meantime our

Adesoji Iginla (12:38.692)
issued.

Aya Fubara Eneli (12:58.578)
legislators, the Congress is still not, Mike Johnson still will not call them back to work, still is refusing to swear in the senator from Arizona, sorry, the Congresswoman from Arizona because she is the last signature needed to, yeah, to expose the Epstein files and

Adesoji Iginla (13:11.28)
The Arizona.

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:25.92)
Food bank lines are extending and very interesting times. And for those who are on SNAP, this is the nutrition program that helps people who are living in poverty. That program, if it's not funded by October 31st, there are people who literally will be hungry November 1st.

Adesoji Iginla (13:48.516)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (13:48.599)
Right. So what this is summarizing is actually if anybody still doubts that this is an empire in mid-crisis, these are the kind of manifestations, you know, these are symptoms of a once power, which is finding it very difficult to reckon with, you know, the transition that once mighty Great Britain went through.

And now the United States is going through that same transition.

Adesoji Iginla (14:21.824)
Yes, so from one news abuse to another. The first news comes from Al Jazeera and it's titled Why the Church of England owes Zimbabwe more than an apology and Yes, so it reads the Church of England owes Zimbabwe more than an apology

legacy in its legacy in Zimbabwe it's not only one of faith but of conquest and consummate its moral debt to Africa demands justice not just an apology it says and as the new archbishop the first woman Sarah Mullerly so the lead reads where seven Zimbabweans announced on October 4 that they were suing the Church of England for enabling the brutal abuse

suffered at the hands of John Smith, a leading figure in its evangelical movement. Their action was not only about justice for the past but it was an indictment of the institution that has never been reckoned with. With the violence it spread under the banner of faith." Being Africans yourself, yeah, so as they will say, let us pray. What's your take on this?

Milton Allimadi (15:42.669)
You want to take it for a sister?

Adesoji Iginla (15:44.506)
Sister, you go.

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:44.582)
No, you can go.

Milton Allimadi (15:46.381)
Sure. Okay, so first of all, this is like a commentary op-ed, opinion piece, very well written, by the way. And as I'm reading it, I started wondering, there must be a couple of good books out there. And if not, he should probably, you know, work on a book on the church, imperialism, and abuse in Africa. So in terms of the editing here, you know,

Adesoji Iginla (16:09.168)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (16:14.688)
So it says enabling brutal abuse. I was wondering why would they were not just explicit and say enabling brutal sexual abuse. That's the focus of the op-ed in addition to the other abusers. That is why they're filing this lawsuit. They're not filing the lawsuit because the church was the handmaiden of imperialism, conquest and all that. It goes through that as well.

that's not what this lawsuit is for. The lawsuit primarily is because of the sexual abuse suffered by these boys. Now, of course, men and some not even alive anymore in Zimbabwe. And also, the main lead is buried at the very end of the story. And he talks about the history

Adesoji Iginla (16:53.476)
Amen. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (17:12.435)
the nature of the abuse and all that. And I'm saying, okay, so when are you going to mention monetary compensation? Because that's the obvious thing that you're implying very strongly. And then all the way, probably the last paragraph, the last to second paragraph, we learned that this church, this institution is $14.8 billion.

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:22.718)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (17:22.832)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (17:40.09)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (17:42.259)
suggest that with that kind of fortune, they should be able to make the monetary compensation that the victims or the families of the victims, in the case of the one who was already dead, they should make that compensation. So in terms of the editing, the writing as well, you know, I like learning about this because if this was what's happening in Zimbabwe, I'm very confident.

Adesoji Iginla (17:51.632)
Mm.

Mm.

Milton Allimadi (18:09.545)
where the same church exists in Africa and elsewhere around the world, the same type of abuse was going on as well. So that's my initial comment.

Adesoji Iginla (18:17.986)
Mm. Mm. Sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:24.678)
It's really hard to, for me, to have a discussion on this and to feign any kind of objectivity. These are words on paper, but I want your, you know, the listeners, viewers to let the impact of these words sink in.

Milton Allimadi (18:35.72)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:49.416)
We are human beings. were once young. Some of us are parents. Some of us are grandparents. And I want you to think about going to a place that you've been told is a place of salvation, is a place of redemption, is a place of safety. Okay? It's a place where you're told you can be vulnerable. It's a place where you're supposed to receive love.

Milton Allimadi (19:03.113)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:16.808)
and to become a better version of yourself. And that the people that you are going to encounter are representatives of God. This all knowing, all fear, know, fear God that we should all fear. And yet at the core of it, this was not about your redemption. It was not about your salvation. It wasn't about any kind of agape love.

It was, as the article says, a commercial enterprise. But more than that, you know, we talk about brothels, we talk about madams, prostitutes, all of that. This was sex trafficking on a whole other level. You literally had your pick of children.

who were willingly brought to you by their parents. Now, sometimes if you look at Maledome Somme's story that he shares, didn't go, one parent took him willingly, his mother didn't want him to go. You're separated from your family, from any support. And there you are.

victimize is not the word you're violated and then you have to keep silent and then you have to show deference to your abusers you have to protect them you have to serve them while they're profiting according to the article morally spiritually and materially from and the article says this bloodletting

of the people. Children being taught to despise their culture and submit to an English higher power that is couched as God. The missionary cross standing beside the soldier's rifle, ensuring that even your conversion, you thinking you're converting to whatever, and it's about your spirituality, but it's about a whole different level of conquest. And by the way,

Adesoji Iginla (21:03.824)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (21:26.48)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:30.608)
Also in this article, one of the guys, the one of the victims talks about, I want to find exactly where he says this. He talks about the bond, right? I can't find it right now. But essentially what he's saying is you, you, you're abusing me and at the same time instilling in me this bond for my abuser.

Adesoji Iginla (21:40.751)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:59.581)
And if I speak up, then I am tearing down God. I'm tearing down this institution of faith. And these predatory practices took place across the continent. Everywhere I stand on this, everywhere Christianity stepped foot.

Adesoji Iginla (22:04.506)
the yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:23.08)
You have this sexual predators. Look at the area where my family lives right now, the city called Port Harcourt. Harcourt is a predator, well-known predator in the UK.

Adesoji Iginla (22:32.601)
Name that I put up.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:40.062)
but was given such a lofty position to prey on our children. And we don't even know that history. And we are still every day we call the name of that city. We are holding him up.

Adesoji Iginla (22:40.464)
you

Milton Allimadi (22:54.81)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:59.144)
He lives on in perpetuity, but we have forgotten the names of our own ancestors. So the level of violation here of the body, of the spirits for generations, there's no monetary amount, but I do want you to run me my coins as the people will say. We can start with money, but there really is no monetary compensation that can make up how.

Milton Allimadi (23:19.937)
Absolutely.

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:27.498)
How is that possible? And what did these people who were now violated in this way, how did that impact their lives and their wives and their children? And what are we, what has been the reverberation of these violations? Man, I speak violence here, but I'm seeding right now.

Milton Allimadi (23:48.245)
Alright.

Milton Allimadi (23:52.074)
Yeah, so in fact, I have a suggestion. I think you should reach out to the brother who wrote this, Zimbabwean brother, and explore the possibility of collaborating on a book with him. If he's not given a thought already, I think the two of you would be a good match. So,

Aya Fubara Eneli (24:14.964)
he said it, said, I was baptized in the Anglican church in Kambozuma and christened at St. Paul's in Marlboro. For that reason, I feel both bound to the church and deeply ashamed of that bond. That's when people start to self-medicate. And then you're like, what's wrong with this person?

Milton Allimadi (24:28.138)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (24:32.843)
Thanks.

Adesoji Iginla (24:35.556)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (24:36.03)
Why are they beating up their loved ones? Why can't they be consistent here? What's going on here? And you don't know what demons are raging in their heads because of what these so-called men of God did to them. And the church sanctioned it, and by golly, they should pay.

Milton Allimadi (24:53.097)
Yeah, the trauma can never be repaired, but yes, they should pay heavy. and here's the worst part of the crime, and here's why the damages must be. In the law, there's a term for it, what is it, trouble or whatever. They found out he was a pedophile in the 1980s, and that's a solution. Send them to Zimbabwe.

Adesoji Iginla (25:13.506)
And they moved. It was to send him to Africa.

Milton Allimadi (25:21.236)
Think about it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (25:22.054)
They did with Harcourt. Yeah. Because no human being should go.

Milton Allimadi (25:25.331)
So that's why the damages must be beyond even normal, which the word normal is even not the right word for it. You know what I'm saying? But you get what I'm saying. It has to be extra super because of knowingly sending loose. It's like unleashing a virus on a population. That's exactly what they did. So that would be the comment that I would add to.

Aya Fubara Eneli (25:38.688)
Punish and damage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (25:52.922)
So when you, so.

Milton Allimadi (25:53.171)
what the excellent summary by Sinsa.

Adesoji Iginla (25:56.612)
So when you bring it into contemporary times and you hear they're not sending you their best, they're sending you their rapists, there you go.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:08.064)
It's the projection. I mean, think about even the quote unquote patriots in America. It is common knowledge for those who want to know that they opened jails in England and sent those people to the Americas. But then you project criminality on us. You were the criminals.

Milton Allimadi (26:27.343)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (26:28.366)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (26:34.577)
Yeah. Right. But they used the European-ness and whiteness and it became infectious that many of our people still celebrate European-ness and whiteness and still bomb to whiteness. And that was the genius of the Imperial project, right? It's still the seeds of inferiorization.

Adesoji Iginla (26:41.786)
to mask.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:49.024)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (26:50.778)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (26:57.966)
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Milton Allimadi (27:03.235)
and the permanent worship of whiteness. So you have the great bit.

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:06.528)
Which is what you're seeing in New York in the mayoral race, right? Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (27:10.776)
Absolutely. You know, how dare you brown man praying to a different, a different God. You come here and you upset the system, which has worked that we, the wealthy European elite, the rich, we get to anoint who becomes mayor of this city. And you're coming here and daring to tell people to vote for you.

Adesoji Iginla (27:17.242)
go against.

Milton Allimadi (27:41.229)
How dare you? And you even made them vote for you.

Adesoji Iginla (27:45.488)
giving them false dreams

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:48.357)
I do I do want to do one more thing for all of us who were raised as Christians or in any faith It is time to get beyond the blind faith and to start using the critical thinking skills the brain that god gave us So when prime minister mogabes a devout catholic, what the hell does that mean? Because if you're truly worshiping god evil is evil period Okay, so a deviled a devout catholic promoted a policy of

Milton Allimadi (28:01.891)
that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:17.576)
reconciliation that urged forgiveness without truth and progress without justice. Where have we seen that? Why do African leaders keep doing this nonsense?

Milton Allimadi (28:30.316)
Yes, in defense of Mugabe, he was pressured into doing that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (28:34.856)
Well, we know that there's always pressure. We understand that.

Milton Allimadi (28:38.447)
No, no, no, he was pressured by other Africans. He was pressured by the Nyerere Kaunda because Mugabe actually wanted to fight all the way and to take the capital militarily and then set up the system they wanted. But Nyerere Kaunda, said, you know, let's go with this plan. Go and negotiate in London and the U.N. They gave him false promises. So the Americans, the British promised to give him the money to buy the land.

Adesoji Iginla (28:41.028)
guns,

Adesoji Iginla (28:57.104)
you

I guess that helps.

Milton Allimadi (29:06.649)
from the Europeans so they won't just seize it and give it back to the Africans. And he waited and he waited and he waited 20 years, the money never came. And then he did what they had thought they would have been able to do in 1980. So they tricked him, he went again and at the end of the day, it came down once again to white worshiping. They fell for that trick, he was deceived and he ended up being the pariah.

Adesoji Iginla (29:28.677)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (29:34.287)
After I took the land, something should have done in 1980, they cut him off from financing, the economy tanked, and he became the bad guy.

Adesoji Iginla (29:44.964)
Yes, and yeah, so.

Aya Fubara Eneli (29:47.912)
Listen, even in the animal kingdom, the chicken knows not to make a deal with the fox.

Adesoji Iginla (29:55.628)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli (29:56.903)
And I raised chicken. Their brains are not that big. Even the chicken knows not to make deals with the pork.

Milton Allimadi (30:01.389)
Listen, in 60 years of so-called independence, many African misrulers have not learned yet, unfortunately.

Adesoji Iginla (30:09.52)
You

Okay. So from one story of abuse to one seeking compensation, we go to the Money Paper, the Financial Times. And it's that a US court, what was the last time we heard that? A US jury finds BNP Paraba liable for damages over Sudan banking role. Bellwether verdict may stage

may set stage for potentially far more damages in thousands as thousands of victims are set claims. And this is Das Omar El-Bashir, former head of state of Sudan. A Manhattan jury has found BNP Parabell liable for more than 20 million in damages to three Sudanese refugees after a trial over its role in banking the war-thorn African nation ruling regime.

in a case that could set the stage for larger claims against it. Lawyers for the refugees accused BNP of enabling human rights abuses in a rare case of a global bank facing a jury trial for such allegations. It emerged from the French bank arm 2014's guilty plea to criminal charges of processing bank listed funds from Sudan and other sanctioned countries through its

through the US financial system for which it 9 billion in penalties. So what's your take on this? And could this be a window into what we've said with regards to compensation about seeking compensation from this imperialist in their own jurisdiction?

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:00.467)
Brother, do you want to give the backstory of this?

Adesoji Iginla (32:04.45)
Okay, so Umayyad Bashir in coming to power in 1989 knew he didn't really have the power within the military but he needed some sort of what can I say it a gambling arm so he armed a group of militia at that time they were known as the Janjaweed so this Janjaweed had been abusing

abuse is a very mild word, terrorizing the western part of Sudan which is where Darfur is. And as a result, these refugees, having gotten into the United States, have been following matters with regards to BNP Paraba, this financial arm, decided why not try this then. What's the worst that can happen? Which is where they brought the case against Omar Ebbashio and they won.

Milton Allimadi (33:04.751)
Alright, so sister you want to go or you want me to?

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:07.803)
You can go.

Milton Allimadi (33:09.191)
So there are many elements here. And when they talk about this could cascade into multiple other claims, because these are only a handful of the refugees who escaped the mappakers carried out by the forces that were financed by the government and the government itself is financed. Not only this bank, by the way.

Adesoji Iginla (33:28.144)
So done.

Milton Allimadi (33:37.69)
multiple banks, this just happens to be one of the ones that they've managed to put together a successful lawsuit. I think these types of lawsuits have been attempted in the past. So I'm eager and I'm going to do more research to find out why this one has been successful. Now while they talk about other Sudanese claimants coming forward, it's beyond Sudan because this

Adesoji Iginla (34:06.608)
You

Milton Allimadi (34:07.864)
This template has been used by several African countries, right, that have committed mass atrocities against their own citizens. South Sudan, a neighboring country right there. Uganda, a neighboring country right there. Cameroon, ongoing right now against southern Cameroon, the southern part of the country.

Adesoji Iginla (34:17.904)
citizens.

Milton Allimadi (34:37.446)
Congo are going right now involving armies financed by neighboring countries of Rwanda and Uganda. So I'm very eager to find out why this lawsuit was successful.

because if it withstands appeal.

This is going to be a game changer for many African conflict situations because a lot of these banks, a lot of these multinational corporations that are currently financing the genocide in Sudan, for example, and in Eastern Congo through the proxies in Rwanda and Uganda, their shareholders are not going to be interested in this, right? So this is going to be a potential game changer.

I want to see how the appeal process works. It sounds like reading the article that the bank sounds very willing to settle. Normally they would come out and say, this will not survive appeal. We know we're going to prevail, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Instead, I picked up something key. They're saying the beneficiaries should be only these, is it three or six claimants?

Adesoji Iginla (35:59.138)
of this tree.

Milton Allimadi (35:59.843)
And not go beyond that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:00.353)
Yes, yes, yes. They don't want a class action suit because they can be as many as 20,000 or more.

Milton Allimadi (36:07.699)
Absolutely. So the fact that that's what they're hoping and praying for, it means they think it's a solid case. And if it's a solid case, these particular law firms that initiate this process are going to be just inundated with other similar claims against many African governments. And they deserve, against the banks rather, that are financing governments that should not be in place.

Adesoji Iginla (36:08.068)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (36:22.936)
inundated. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (36:36.452)
Hmm sister

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:38.814)
because these governments are now taking this money, the sanctions were put on these governments to try and put a basically a stranglehold on them.

Adesoji Iginla (36:46.18)
It's chocobo, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (36:47.932)
and weaken them economically. But when they find these back doorways to bring in resources, then they're using those resources to buy weapons to further repress and oppress and terrorize their people. I wanted to know who is BMP Parabas. And so was looking that up and it says the key owners and shareholders for BMP Parabas, or however you say their name, includes BlackRock Incorporated,

does a ton of investing across Africa and particularly in South Africa. They are actually heavily invested in Zambia and depending on what happens in that economy they could make as much as 110 % profit off of their investment.

Just so these people are leeches, they are parasites. They own about 6 % of the voting rights. The Federal Holding and Investment Company from Belgium owns about 5.6. So these colonial masters are not done. European institutional investors own about 37.7%.

Adesoji Iginla (37:52.208)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:59.797)
And then there are non-European institutional investors who own 32.5%. I don't know where in the world those people are, but it's just a shroud of secrecy. And so first of all, I'm hoping that whoever these attorneys are, the law firm that is handling this, that they do expand this and make it a class action suit so that there is compensation to more people. Now you have to understand that the plaintiffs in this case are residing here

Adesoji Iginla (38:20.954)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (38:29.78)
United States. Again, I'm looking at this government that is in place and the way people's visas and certainly even their citizenship is being revoked by some, by the government at this time and wondering to what extent if the right people whisper to this idiot, the felon in chief grifter in the White House, what, how he may

Try to impact this. I don't put anything past his government. Especially if there's a chance that it's going to expand Now the other thing that really struck me is that they had already paid. What did they say a nine billion dollar penalty? And my question was well who got the money that was paid in that penalty and guess who got the money

Adesoji Iginla (39:11.374)
billion in a previous case.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:22.484)
the US entities, nothing went to the victims. And so again, it's like we're just pawns in some game here. I know how this legal arena works. They are most likely not paying these attorneys upfront. It's going to be a situation where the law firm takes a third of whatever the settlement is.

Adesoji Iginla (39:46.361)
cost.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:49.789)
Which is a really great payday if you're talking the kind of dollars that we're talking here You can retire after that close down your shop if you want to but Again just the fact that they had to come to the US as refugees and now get standing to be able to To sue and you have a whole country and we have legal minds

Adesoji Iginla (40:11.728)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (40:19.526)
in Sudan and we are not doing this work for ourselves. So whatever white folk are doing, whatever the imperialists are doing, they are going to do. I don't have any control over that.

My area of focus is what are we doing for ourselves? Where is our sense of agency? So I am glad that the plaintiffs sued. I'm hoping that other plaintiffs or potential plaintiffs around the world are paying attention. Everyone who can sue the Catholic Church and the Anglican churches across not just Africa, but South America as well, come and take notes and follow whatever blueprint has worked so far.

And same thing for Sudan here. So I'm glad these stories are coming out and I hope that we actually do see justice. Well, the measure of justice we can get because there's really no true justice that can come from this.

Adesoji Iginla (41:09.626)
Mm.

Justice, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (41:16.23)
Yeah, so we can't sue them in our countries because our governments won't allow that. They're so beholden to these multinationals. There's no way can they sue in Sudan, no way can they sue in Kenya, no way can they sue in Uganda, and that's a sad part of it. It's a very sad statement, which is of course a confirmation that these are neo-colonial entities. And I agree with you.

Adesoji Iginla (41:16.464)
All right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (41:39.999)
Yeah, but brother BMP is arguing that this should not be in us under US law It should be Swiss law if that's the case if that's the argument they're making let's take it to let's go on the Swiss law because as I read the law even under Applying Swiss law you will still be guilty and that would allow That would allow all of these other countries to also sue regardless of countries

Adesoji Iginla (41:59.682)
No detect. No do it.

Adesoji Iginla (42:05.402)
They were taking out on these technicalities.

Milton Allimadi (42:05.501)
I think we should milk what we can from the US. If it's working, let's continue using it until we need to go to another venue.

Aya Fubara Eneli (42:12.287)
Yeah.

Yeah, I think we use everything we can, everything.

Milton Allimadi (42:19.141)
Right. So, victims in Ogoni, if there's another angle you can open here, come right here to New York. Victims in Northern Uganda who were decimated by the regime there, come right here. Congolese, if you can, come right here. Let's milk it to the max.

Adesoji Iginla (42:25.262)
Yeah, I mean, no, they're doing it in the UK.

Aya Fubara Eneli (42:39.872)
Actually, along those lines, what they did in Sudan, is that not what Britain did in Nigeria during the civil war, during the Biafran War? That has never really been investigated?

Adesoji Iginla (42:39.909)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (42:51.95)
which is why the files have been pushed forward to be open in another 50 years as opposed to when it should have been opened in 2015.

Milton Allimadi (43:03.77)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, in the case of Kenya, that worked when the files were opened. The victims of the brutal suppression, repression, torture, execution of the Kenya Land and Freedom Army, they a lawsuit in London. And the remaining survivors in their 80s now, some in their 90s. Of course, there's a lot of stuff that money cannot pay for, but they took that money for what the British did to them.

once they open those files. So I think there are going to be similar cases when more files are open in the future.

Adesoji Iginla (43:40.944)
Okay, so we continue to watch this space and for our next story again we go into the Annals of History and the news comes from Al Jazeera and it's titled, this is very painful to read actually, it's titled France Massacre of World War II African Riflemen Premeditated and Covered Up. Report says, new findings reveal

that the Tyrell Massacre death toll was far higher than reported with up to 400 victims. And it goes, a massacre of Africa's World War II riflemen demanding pay for fighting for France in 1944 was premeditated, covered up, and its death toll vastly underestimated. According to a paper submitted to the second-largest president and seen by the news agency AFP,

According to French colonial authorities, the time, least 35 infantrymen were killed during the massacre at Thierry-Rey Camp, near Celigale's capital, Dhaka. When you read the story, in light of what you probably already knew about it, what was your take?

Brotherfest

Milton Allimadi (44:58.075)
Okay, well I was happy that it looks like they're opening up an opportunity for more compensation for more victims. But nothing about it was surprising. That the figures were under-reported. They reported only maybe 35 dead. When in fact it seems like the true number is anywhere from 300 to 400. They even went into the archives and altered some of the information, which of course now makes you wonder

Adesoji Iginla (45:07.759)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (45:11.45)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (45:27.791)
how many more files in the colonial archives pertaining to all these colonized countries have been doctored, altered, especially when it involves cases of incidents such as this massacre. And it tells you how forward thinking Ust-Mansan Bene was. Because this thing, there are many, many

Adesoji Iginla (45:35.204)
I trust it is here.

Adesoji Iginla (45:46.542)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:52.18)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (45:55.29)
crimes of colonialism and massacres. But we talk about the ones that have been highlighted. So, Ben is no longer with us, during the ancestors, but he made that film, which allowed this to have a very long shelf life. And in each case, it just keeps expanding. We keep finding out more about this massacres. And people that are not familiar with Svenson, Ben was one of the most renowned, I would say, global filmmakers.

Adesoji Iginla (46:10.241)
memory.

Milton Allimadi (46:23.769)
telling the story from the perspective of the victims, right? And he just happened to be a Senegalese, right? And Camp Thiarouye is one of his films. And I don't know if it's available online, but I think you can buy the DVD, you can buy the film. And I've seen it a few times. So I'm glad he did that. That was his documentation. And now they appointed this committee led by a historian. They went into the archives. They did more research, obviously.

Adesoji Iginla (46:28.142)
Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (46:53.548)
they made material that was not accessible at the time Saint-Béné did his film. Now they made it accessible because of the time of the lapse and they're able to find that in fact the number was 10 times more than the figure that had always been referred to historically. So now, sorry go ahead, you're asking a question?

Adesoji Iginla (47:13.42)
And could you tell the listeners the reason the massacre happened?

Milton Allimadi (47:20.864)
Okay, very good. Basically, Camp Thieroyer was where they concentrated the not only Senegalese soldiers who had fought on behalf of empire in World War II, but others from the other French colonies in West Africa. And they had been captured during the fight against the Nazis, they captured by the Germans. And then at some point they were released.

Adesoji Iginla (47:36.24)
West Africa.

Milton Allimadi (47:49.373)
And before, rather than shipping them directly off to their individual countries from where they came, West African countries, they were congregated in Camp Tiaroye in order to be demobilized and then repatriated to their individual countries. And once they got there, they were not being paid, number one. Number two, they were owed back pay. Number three, they realized how underpaid they had been relative to

Adesoji Iginla (48:13.648)
do a bit less.

Milton Allimadi (48:18.59)
white French soldiers, when in fact, they were the ones who had sent in disproportionate numbers to the front lines in these wars against Hitler. So of course, at some point, they said enough is enough. And they started protesting. And what is interesting is that, and I hadn't thought of it before, although some of them had showed that scene, the fact that they were disarmed.

Adesoji Iginla (48:25.904)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (48:29.936)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (48:47.799)
And yeah.

Milton Allimadi (48:49.007)
And the point they were designing, meaning this was a premeditated action. They already knew there was dissent. They knew they owed money. So they made the plan that should these guys protest, we're going to open fire with live rounds. And that's exactly what happened. And it turns out it did not happen against only 35 victims, but more like 400.

Adesoji Iginla (49:04.59)
of rounds,

Adesoji Iginla (49:14.324)
Hmm. Is this it?

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:15.584)
Thank you brother for laying that background.

Before I say anything else, I just need a poor libation just in honor of our ancestors. I just hear them crying out and...

Milton Allimadi (49:31.336)
Absolutely.

I share, I share, I share.

Adesoji Iginla (49:36.474)
share.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:43.933)
experienced and for us to have forgotten. The violence of our forgetting is something that we should also be grappling with because the extent to which we are still running to and embracing imperialists as our saviors

Milton Allimadi (49:58.663)
Thank

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:11.104)
I marvel at the restraint of our ancestors that they have not risen up and slapped us.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:23.05)
for choosing to forget. So as you rightly pointed out, we were minding our business on our soil when their Hitler, their equivalent of Trump, starts waging white on white crime, has nothing to do with us. And they forced tens of thousands of our

Milton Allimadi (50:51.003)
more than one billion. One million.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:52.786)
Listen, of our able-bodied young men, tens of thousands of our strongest, the most promising of our young men, and took them to a foreign land, experiencing temperatures that they had never.

Adesoji Iginla (51:17.444)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:18.048)
He probably never had the awareness that existed. Put them on the front lines like cattle to slaughter. We were expendable, no humans involved. Then of the ones that survived, you're paying them less than what you pay the white men. What now war? White on white crime was not our war.

Milton Allimadi (51:22.318)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (51:22.415)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:49.353)
You repatriate us back to Senegal. Many of these men were not from Senegal, by the way. They were from other parts of Africa as well. You throw them into this camp. As you pointed out, they're making less. And then even the less that they're making, you're refusing to pay them. And when we're talking about a massacre, let's be clear when we're just using words and the words are kind of sanitized.

They executed these men. It was like a firing squad. You got a machine gun and it's ratatatat

Adesoji Iginla (52:20.08)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (52:41.264)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:46.568)
And then you cover it up. And then you burn some of the documents and the documents that do exist. You caught them off to France where we don't have access to them. So even the number that they're now saying it might be of 300, please. It's kind of like the people who have been disappeared. what did they call it?

Alcatraz, no, no, alligator Alcatraz. And they're talking about two thirds of the people, they're not sure where they are. It's like those children that were separated from their parents, remember during Trump's first regime, and we're not talking about it anymore, and we don't know where they are, and we have no paperwork supposedly. But obviously they got into a car or on a bus or a train or a plane and went somewhere, somebody knows something.

Adesoji Iginla (53:14.776)
Yeah, I'll catch up. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Milton Allimadi (53:16.788)
You

Adesoji Iginla (53:24.282)
parents yeah during Trump yeah

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:43.157)
This is the same thing history repeating itself. And I just told you, you're going to have to start putting like a trigger warning on these episodes because I'm going to have to go in and just woosa cleanse after this. But people, we cannot afford to forget because what we forget is repeated against us.

Adesoji Iginla (54:11.056)
I mean, it's hard to put trigger warnings because you literally be putting trigger warnings all the stories that impact Africa. I mean, in that same 1947, the French did something similar on the other side of the continent by killing 85,000 Madagascans simply because they refused to follow through with colonialism.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:19.007)
on everything.

Adesoji Iginla (54:40.32)
It begs the question that where do we draw the line? I mean, this is just one case that obviously is because it's been documented over and over again, makes headlines. Like the comrade said.

Milton Allimadi (54:53.574)
But the good thing is that this report was done by African historians. And that's what we've been arguing for for very long time.

Adesoji Iginla (54:58.892)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:58.974)
Yes, yes. And he has a book coming out on it this year, actually.

Milton Allimadi (55:05.832)
Right, so African historians need to start doing similar accounting, historical accounting, and documentation and books. So we need one for Madagascar. We need one for the German genocide against the people of Namibia and what was called German East Africa, which was Tanganyika, of course. We need the ones for the Belgians.

Adesoji Iginla (55:12.666)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (55:20.272)
in Tanzania. Madhya Madhya.

Adesoji Iginla (55:30.544)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (55:34.984)
in Congo. So we need.

Adesoji Iginla (55:37.648)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (55:37.684)
And we need one for Biafra and the three million Biafrans who died of starvation. And it was really what Britain was doing to ensure that no food came in while they were providing ammunition to Northern Nigeria. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (55:53.144)
In fact, you speak to that, there's a video online where this member of parliament was saying, if we didn't do it, somebody else would literally lock them down to starve them. So you see the same thing is replicated in Gaza.

Milton Allimadi (55:53.983)
All right.

Milton Allimadi (56:08.713)
Right, so our historians need to start playing a prominent role in all of this historical re-accounting because we're going to find out that things that people believe had been somewhat resolved, not at all, because you were not presented with the correct facts, as this case has now unearthed.

Adesoji Iginla (56:29.52)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That said, I'm minded that Good Comrade would want to leave. The final story is refusing to load. But essentially, it's from Radio de Gavela, and it's talking about the upcoming election in Tanzania. What's your take on that?

Milton Allimadi (56:55.25)
Well, it's unfortunate that I think Tanzania's president, Sulu, who has now caught them with 70 virus. But you know, she's also going to end up catching the virus of the youth that are now engaged in uprising in Uganda, in Kenya.

Adesoji Iginla (57:06.32)
You

Milton Allimadi (57:26.115)
and in Tanzania. So there was a very interesting story last week when one of the leaders of the opposition parties in Tanzania was going to attend the funeral service of Rai Laudiga and he was blocked by border security on the Tanzanian side.

Aya Fubara Eneli (57:26.612)
Yes. Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (57:39.102)
Yes? Yes?

Adesoji Iginla (57:45.284)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (57:46.204)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (57:52.167)
So comrades from Kenya came in massive numbers and overwhelmed the border security and literally liberated this guy so he could cross the border from his own country into Kenya and go and attend the penal service.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:08.192)
So, brother, so it was the youth using their cell phones within hours that coordinated and called each other and on both sides of the border, youth showed up in mass. And these guys decided, you know what, we might not want to take this on today. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (58:22.121)
Think about that.

Milton Allimadi (58:27.258)
Yeah. So when we see this kind of activism, the old school suppression, repression, neocolonial era in Africa is over. Perhaps those in the state house presidential policies are not yet aware of it. If they can't learn from what happened in Madagascar, there's no way Paul Bia is going to continue as president in Cameroon.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:32.672)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (58:56.931)
you know, without escalation of mass violence. I think even France, which wants to continue ripping resources from Cameroon, will say, be at. You've had a long run. You're not going to stand in the way of us continue to at least reaping something instead of losing it all. Get on that plane and you're going to be out. So in Tanzania, she's not been pretending. She's now disappearing opposition leaders.

Adesoji Iginla (59:10.842)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (59:16.846)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (59:26.298)
position in the Zia.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:27.451)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (59:27.543)
She barred the two major candidates from running for the president. So in fact, she's running against herself. You know, and I hope Tanzanian sisters and brothers, the best way to let her lose against herself, in fact, is to just don't vote. You know, unfortunately, it's come to that. Because how can you vote when there's no option? You see, it goes back to the like,

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:31.092)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (59:31.44)
I'm running.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:35.295)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (59:44.367)
Selfie

Adesoji Iginla (59:53.968)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (59:56.321)
almost the Soviet era, at least under Nyerere, the system was different. At that time, they had one party.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:02.976)
I'm so glad you brought up Nyerere because what did Julius Nyerere stand for? Julius Nyerere was the one who popularized Ujamaa, right? African socialism, unity and moral governance. He talked about national unity over tribalism or sectarianism. He talked about self-reliance and community participation in economic and political life.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:13.474)
Ujamaa, everyone. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:30.592)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:31.07)
He talked about ethical leadership grounded in humility and service. He talked about democratic dialogue, even within a one party framework. He allowed for people to criticize him, you know, things like that. And he said.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:40.364)
Yes, he did.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:46.824)
even lose, candidates even lost while they were within that one party. Continue. I like what you're telling me.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:48.962)
even loose.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:54.93)
He stepped down. Yes, he was there for a couple of decades, but he voluntarily stepped down, right, as I understand it anyway. And then you look at the present reality. It's politics, it's power preservation, arrest, bans, disappearances, murders of opponents. It's not unity through inclusion anymore. It's unity through control and coercion.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:02.208)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:12.568)
Yep. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:19.0)
Yeah. Right. Power it all fast.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:22.782)
Yes, it's a lead centered state capitalism, not village based self reliance anymore. And there's a growing inequality and state patronage. And here's the thing is how power corrupts because as a woman, as a woman, I like to think, Hey, look at all the issues we've had. It's men, you guys, you guys have been running the world and look at all the drama you created. You give women a chance and we're going to show up differently.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:37.582)
Yep. Remember when you first came in?

Milton Allimadi (01:01:46.946)
Right, right, right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:51.797)
But here's what I'm beginning to understand as I get a little older. If you don't change the structure of a thing, it doesn't matter who gets in there. So like the United States, you can put in Obama, you can put in Kamala. If the structure has not been changed, we're still gonna be bombing Libya. We're still gonna be mistreating people from certain groups, right?

Milton Allimadi (01:01:59.35)
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:19.456)
You can have an Eric Adams as a black mayor but still doing the bidding of white nationalists and so really the structure itself has to be changed and it's a it's a shame that Nyerere had one idea and this is what has Evolved if you will in Tanzania and I don't maybe Yeah

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:23.731)
good.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:45.59)
Temporarily. Temporarily. Temporarily, yeah. Because, you know, history is a process. And when you talk about changing the structure, there's no other alternative word for it, actually. It's revolution. It's revolution. And, you know, revolutions happen without planning. Circumstances lead to that. The French Revolution, circumstances lead to that. The inequity, the imperialism, the aristocracy, the arrogance.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:07.14)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:13.46)
And that type of arrogance we are seeing in the United States, we're seeing in Britain, we're seeing among those African elite. So let's not take the concept of revolution off the table, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:28.89)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:29.12)
Can I just say, add one more thing, is the similarities in these stories, not just across the continent of Africa, but as I was reading about the massacre in Senegal, what does it remind you of if you're here in the United States of America? Remember Fort Pillow?

And you have these African-American soldiers. Yes, they're prisoners of war like the white soldiers. And what do you do? We're going to preserve the lives of the white prisoners of war, but the black ones, we're going to summarily execute. And so black people, wherever we are in the world and we're still going this statehood thing, this, you know, I'm a dose or I'm Nigerian or I'm Jamaican, like people get over it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:05.188)
The same thing.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:18.178)
The same thing also happened during the GI Bill. The African-Americans were exempted from it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:19.774)
We are one!

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:26.57)
Yeah. So we, know, one, our struggle is one, our liberation is going to require us to unify, stop buying into all these crazy divisions.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:27.816)
So comment.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:38.463)
We need to actually have a whole show just focusing on that. That's something that is very important to me. I think it's critical to our liberation. We need to devote a special show just talking about that topic. Once we decide on our desk. But you're right, that is the ultimate solution. That's the solution we've known. That's the solution that launched the Pan-African movement for a reason. So we need to go back to that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:50.586)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:03.344)
Speaking of that, we've come to the end of another African News Review. Some of you might have found that we came out early. That's because the clocks have changed. And so it might be slightly earlier for you guys now. And that said, I must thank, like I said earlier, Tom, the most brilliant minds I know. Comrade and sister, I am indebted to you. And yes.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:26.335)
I'll sound the tongue.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:33.238)
If this is your first time of coming here, do like, share, subscribe, do all the good stuff and each one bring one because this conversation would go on. And until next week, comrade.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:48.573)
A luta continua.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:50.778)
sister?

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:54.736)
And from me it's until the next story. See you and keep reading, keep reading, keep reading. Yeah. See you next week.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:05.789)
Okay, go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:07.61)
Thank