EP 5 Sudan, AGOA, and Ghana - U.S. Foreign Policy | African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News Review, Adesoji Iginla, alongside Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq., discusses various pressing issues affecting Africa and the African diaspora, including the education crisis in Texas, the implications of the Middle East peace plan, and the comparison of leadership styles between Netanyahu and Trump. 

They delve into the humanitarian crisis in Sudan, the impact of US trade policies on African nations, and the challenges posed by neocolonialism. 

The conversation emphasises the need for African nations to assert their independence and control over their resources while addressing the systemic issues that perpetuate poverty and dependency.

Takeaways

*The education crisis in Texas is a reflection of broader systemic issues.
*Middle East peace plans can have significant implications for global politics.
*Comparing Netanyahu and Trump reveals similarities in their leadership styles.
*The humanitarian crisis in Sudan requires urgent international attention.
*US trade policies often undermine African sovereignty and economic independence.
*The African Growth and Opportunity Act is set to expire, affecting many workers.
*Ghana's visa policy changes highlight the complexities of international relations.
*Mining rights and foreign investment in Africa are contentious issues.
*Neocolonialism continues to affect African nations' ability to govern themselves.
*The struggle for African independence is ongoing and requires collective action.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
01:11 Education Crisis in Texas
04:32 Middle East Peace Plan and Global Implications
09:05 Comparing Global Leadership: Netanyahu and Trump
10:51 Legislation and Protests in the UK
12:40 Humanitarian Crisis in Sudan
27:17 Trade Relations and Dependency in Africa
32:26 The Vision of Thomas Sankara
36:38 Dependency and Colonial Mindset
44:51 The Role of African Leaders
49:09 Neocolonialism and Its Impacts
54:58 The Fight for Sovereignty
01:00:09 Strategic Survival in a Hostile World

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.84)
Yes, greetings, greetings and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I am your host at the Sojii Ginla with me, my esteemed guest as usual. I'll start with the ladies. We've got Aya Fubera and Elya Squire, co-hosts Women and Resistance, also a host of Rethinking Freedom. Please go to her channel, subscribe and do all the good stuff. Welcome sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:29.664)
Thank you. Greetings.

Adesoji Iginla (00:31.99)
And the legend needs no introduction. He is a man around town. He is a global traveler. He is none other than comrade Milton Alimadi, host of Black Star News and author of a book that I would say inspired this program, which is Manufacturing Hate. I won't say you go out there and get it because...

Milton Allimadi (00:36.205)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (00:58.598)
You might just be fighting against the capitalist forces. But welcome, Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (01:02.412)
Yes. Asante sana. Thank you, comrade.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07.418)
Yes, this week has been very interesting in the news. So as usual, I would ask you to start the news from where you are sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:20.724)
Well, what is sweeping across the state of Texas is the closing of public schools. Yeah, so I have to laugh because as soon as I was gonna say his name, all I could hear was Hot Wheels. Governor Abbott, who has been governor for over 12 years now, I think.

Adesoji Iginla (01:38.77)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:50.408)
They actually primaried every Republican who was in opposition to the voucher bill that he wanted to pass. Which would basically direct public funds to privately run institutions, K through 12 institutions. And...

Milton Allimadi (02:01.437)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:14.854)
They, the multi-billionaires in our, in the state, put some serious money behind primaring even representatives who had been with the Republican party for decades plus. So in, in my area, my district, actually, Hugh Shine had been a Republican representative for 20 some years. Die hard Republican, voted with them on everything.

except he did not agree with moving taxpayer dollars to private institutions. And they dragged him for filth and put in this woman who's a book banner and all of that stuff. So anyway, long story short, the bill has passed.

The Democrats did fight valiantly, but they simply don't have the votes. Once they primaried all of the opposition within the Republican Party and put in only people who would vote with the governor, he got his bill passed. And now, as a consequence, I mean, added to the fact that the state of Texas has been underfunding public schools anyway for a while.

But now that you have.

billions of dollars moving, a billion dollars moving out of the public school system into the private school system where they are not regulated. They do not have to provide for children with special needs. There are a lot of rules that they simply don't have to abide by that the public school system has to abide by. They don't have to provide transportation, all those kinds of things. The public school districts have to make their budgets work.

Adesoji Iginla (03:45.298)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:09.041)
And so across the state, school districts are announcing school closures, announcing how they're going to be cutting services, announcing, you know, just cut, cost cutting measures. And as we do that, of course, we're also building private prisons. So it's going to be interesting. This

Adesoji Iginla (04:09.042)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (04:38.655)
country that wants to ensure that people don't get educated and in particular people of color don't get educated, people who are economically disadvantaged don't get educated because when people are

don't have the education, don't have the skills they need. They're easier to control, easier to manipulate their lives, easier for the oligarchs to basically recreate a feudal system where people are just existing. So yeah, that's what's happening in my neck of the woods.

Adesoji Iginla (05:13.038)
Okay, the good comrade.

Milton Allimadi (05:16.09)
Yeah, so to me, I found the most interesting, well, domestic but international as well. The Trump Middle East peace plan. And I think it's interesting that it could actually result into something significant. Hamas has accepted it. Hamas has a problem with the Israeli timeline for withdrawal of Israeli troops. But

Adesoji Iginla (05:22.77)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (05:46.97)
I think if Egypt and Turkey and Qatar goes in there with their armed forces because they're saying the peacekeepers are going to come from those countries, I think that's a victory right there. They should accept it and then dare Israel to attack soldiers from Egypt, from Turkey and Qatar. So this could be the beginning of something significant. If these Arab peacekeeping

soldiers are indeed deployed, then it would resolve the issue of the timeline. Because obviously, Israel is not going to risk confrontation with these countries. Qatar, for example.

Adesoji Iginla (06:17.906)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:28.562)
one of which is a NATO member, Turkey.

Milton Allimadi (06:33.359)
And then Qatar, Qatar for example, you this is where Trump gets a lot of his business money from, you know. And you saw recently when they did that, when they dropped the bombs there, you know, the US in this case, you know, sided with Qatar and said that does not advance any of the interest of Israel or Qatar.

Adesoji Iginla (06:46.822)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:58.194)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (07:00.591)
So I think this could actually turn into something very interesting. Let's keep our eyes on that.

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:07.412)
So I have a question for you, comrade. Does that include disarmament with Israel? Like, they still going to be sending the bombs there?

Adesoji Iginla (07:07.547)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (07:15.591)
If I'm Hamas, I would, because they want Hamas to disarm, right? So Hamas said they want to surrender their weapons to Egypt. And if Egypt accepts that, I would do it. Because quite frankly, in a convent,

Aya Fubara Eneli (07:35.284)
But the US will still be giving weapons to Israel to still. Okay, that's not even on the table.

Milton Allimadi (07:39.3)
that's never going to stop. That's never going to stop. That's not on the table. That's not going to stop. That's something that American voters and, you know, many, you know, forget the administration, many Americans, even Republicans, who have any human compassion of their attitude toward Israel's change, you know, because we have never witnessed this kind of

live stream genocide, including of your children. And that is a public relational disaster. I remember even Trump said that a couple of months ago, that this is a public relations disaster. If Trump, of all the people, is saying this is a public relation disaster to Israel, yes, it definitely is. The country has really...

extended the level of global hostility toward the Netanyahu government. And you saw it displayed in the United Nations. You see it displayed on the kind of protests you're seeing in countries like Italy now, you know, and this is just going to keep growing. think Netanyahu, I don't know what was on his mind really. I think probably he's not a stupid man. So I think he was so over consumed by

the desire not to prolong his own domestic criminal case, that he was willing to exterminate as many Palestinians as possible. Because so long as that is on the headline, then there's going to be less focus on his own domestic criminal case, you see? It's amazing. There's no way he believe that you can kill 100,000 Palestinians.

and not have any consequences down the line, then the whole world would just be, okay, fine. You we understand. They came in October 7, they killed 1,200 Israelis. So yeah, we think it's justified to kill 100,000 of them. I don't think so. Even he, this must have crossed his mind.

Adesoji Iginla (09:35.942)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (09:46.578)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (09:49.183)
And I know we need to get to our stories, but, comrade, how do you then compare that to what Trump is doing in the United States? Because same situation, two criminals, one with 34 felonies, he is now terrorizing and openly calling anyone who didn't vote for him in any of the states that did not go his way.

Milton Allimadi (10:03.844)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:14.684)
enemies, they are cutting billions of dollars in taxpayer money that had already been allocated to these states. They are dropping ice, terrorizing people. So when you say, know Netanyahu, there's no way he could have thought that he could do these things and not get away with it. Is Trump not doing the same thing in broad daylight?

Milton Allimadi (10:15.813)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (10:36.621)
Yeah, he doesn't see it that way. When it comes to him, he is in a special category of his own. He does not see his crimes as crimes. He rationalizes anything and everything. You know, this is a guy.

Adesoji Iginla (10:43.346)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (10:48.298)
So then that's what Netanyahu was doing and all the Israelis who were voting and supporting him.

Milton Allimadi (10:54.933)
Absolutely, but there's a difference. There's difference. There's a difference. In the U.S., taxpayers can make a difference in terms of the continued blank support for Israel. So Trump does not depend on anybody. See, he cuts his own checks. He cuts his own checks. Now he's willing to damage services by allowing government to be shut. And that's the difference between the two of them. Netanyahu's crimes have to be financed by the United States.

Adesoji Iginla (11:09.606)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:20.16)
He cuts his own check, the checks he's making from stealing from the American people.

Milton Allimadi (11:27.832)
Listen, they're both criminals. I'm just telling you one is much more powerful than the other. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (11:31.806)
Yeah, no, I hear you. No, hear you. I'm just saying that the delusion, the madness is the same. Like the sickness is the same.

Adesoji Iginla (11:40.966)
Well, speaking of news, wherever you are, one ties into the news sister just shared with regards to the moving of funds from public educational institutions into private institution. There was a news making around in the Financial Times, which is CVC Group has bought a 21 % stake in the Swiss International School Company.

that is seeking a major with companies in the United States. So they're just priming themselves so that they've got enough money to, know, transfer into private equity. On a more serious note, we have the home secretary who in light of the killing of two Jewish adherents at a synagogue in Manchester decided that she was going to clamp down on protest.

in the UK and she is going to go to parliament and put forward legislation that means you will not be able to protest on the same thing on a recurrent week, which going by history here has been knocked down before by the courts. And so she's trying to, how can I say it, placate the Zionist lobby here. But we'll see how that pans out.

Milton Allimadi (13:08.216)
So labor is like conservative light. It's like Democrats, Republican light in this country.

Adesoji Iginla (13:11.239)
Yes.

Yes. And the funny thing about this move is the Home Secretary now, Shabana Mahmoud, matched with the Palestinian protest a couple of weeks before she became Home Secretary. So read that into what you may. So for our story today, our first story, actually, we go to the financial, we go to the

Financial Times and it's coming from out of Sudan and it's titled Trump's Envoy Boulousei Deal to Break Sudan Siege Imminent. US Africa advisor tells FT that the paramilitary forces will allow aid into al-Fasha where thousands face starvation and death. And the lead says a US backed agreement to allow aid into Sudan's besieged

city of El Fasha. For those who don't know, El Fasha is a city in the western side of Sudan, Darfur, which history will tell you has not been in tune with the capital Khartoum. So where tens of thousands of people are facing starvation and death will come into effect very, soon, according to President Donald Topps' Africa envoy.

Masad Buluz, the State Department Senior Advisor on African Father-in-law to Trump's daughter, Tefini, whatever. The Financial Times said U.S. will help from the U.S. United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia collectively known as the Quad have secured cooperation from the paramilitary rapid support forces circling the city. The population of al-Fasha has been other RF set.

Adesoji Iginla (15:07.33)
RSF siege for the past 14 months and the population of that area is about 20 or 25 million people, the size of a major country in Europe anyway. So question would be, what do we glean from this?

Let's start with the sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:31.102)
What? No, brother was about to talk. Why are you starting with me?

Adesoji Iginla (15:33.455)
you

Milton Allimadi (15:36.093)
Well, okay. okay, so this goes back to, think, what we said, I said at least two shows ago, that something is going to happen in Sudan, because the guy is determined to win the Nobel. And I personally would not be shocked if they give it to him. I mean, they gave the Nobel to Obama, remember, and Obama was notorious for those drone strikes, right? People tend to forget that.

Adesoji Iginla (15:37.202)
Okay, come with me.

Adesoji Iginla (16:02.108)
Yeah, but that was before he became a drone. That was before he became a drone striker.

Milton Allimadi (16:07.313)
Well, the policy was already outlined. So I wouldn't be shocked. There are two contenders, I think, unless there's a surprise. There's the Gaza flotilla, the people who've been trying to deliver food to Gaza. Of course, those are the ones that deserve to get it. But at the same time, I would not be shocked in the world in which we live in if Trump gets the Nobel. Because the Nobel, let's face it, the political actors as well.

Adesoji Iginla (16:14.022)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (16:36.613)
And they also fear that there might be consequences if he doesn't get the Nobel. It's almost like, remember how Charles Taylor was, you know, if you don't work for me, I'm going to kill you. And that's how he was elected president in Liberia. So that is why he's going out all the way on Congo first, and now he's going out all the way in Sudan.

Adesoji Iginla (16:40.219)
if he doesn't get it.

Adesoji Iginla (16:58.49)
today.

Milton Allimadi (17:04.91)
And this is so ironic that it already, what is being attempted already exceeds anything that the Biden administration attempted. The Biden administration was horrific when it came to dealing with Sudan, when it came to dealing with the Congo. And that is the whole irony. That's why I don't see Ida as friends of African people, you know, to be honest with them, with you.

Adesoji Iginla (17:04.998)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (17:33.873)
both these are parties that are supported by corporations. We witnessed the genocide against the Palestinian people while Biden was shipping these bunker busting bombs to Netanyahu. So this would be to me the ultimate irony if this fascist

Adesoji Iginla (17:39.74)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (17:50.896)
See you.

Milton Allimadi (18:00.156)
Republican, I don't even know if he's a Republican. think, you know, he just goes with what serves his interests. If this fascist, militarist president of United States, you know, resolves the issue in the Sudan that the Democrats hardly even attempted to do. So I wouldn't be shocked if it happens. I don't think he would put his name out there and send, you know, bulls out there if there was not an indication.

that it would succeed. And in fact, the people that really matter the most in this conflict are the outsiders who are backing the opposite sides. Egypt and Saudi Arabia support the Sudanese official military, and United Arab Emirates supports the so-called rapid, whatever it's called, forces. So it seems like these entities have agreed that the food should be shipped.

Adesoji Iginla (18:43.89)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (18:52.956)
support forces.

Milton Allimadi (18:58.253)
That's number one. To feed people is one thing. But to resolve the crisis itself, that's going to be a whole other issue to us.

Adesoji Iginla (19:09.062)
sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:10.752)
Can you pull up the article again, please?

Adesoji Iginla (19:13.114)
Sure, will do. One second.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:17.448)
and scroll all the way down, please.

Adesoji Iginla (19:20.74)
All the way down. Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:27.712)
Right, hold up, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (19:32.73)
Eight inches is what?

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:33.44)
Keep going. No, we want to get to the resources.

Adesoji Iginla (19:38.126)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (19:43.476)
The US aims to secure American investment in infrastructure in DR Congo's huge mineral deposits.

It would set out a strategy, Volo said, to ensure that DR Congo's critical mineral sector is developed with the help of investments from US and like-minded companies. Both Kinshasa and Washington are seeking to dilute China's overwhelming dominance in the country's mining sector. It's going to be a strategic agreement.

It's not really like individual mining deals. It's an overall cooperation agreement between the two governments. What two governments?

Because last time I checked Sudan didn't really have a functioning government. So what two governments and what cooperative agreed, strategic agreement. So let me start at the beginning. First and foremost, for the few people who do listen to this show and growing, I don't think it's beyond, I think it makes sense for.

to have a voice in this whole Nobel Prize thing and to make sure that we are speaking our voice as well. Yes, I understand they are into politics as well and all of that, but you do not give someone a Nobel Prize who is a terrorist in his own country, who is literally snatching children from their parents, separating them, asking no questions before they first brutalize people.

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:34.484)
who is asking his own, not asking, insisting, demanding that as commander of chief, the troops use his own people for military training. What separates him then from the so-called warring factions in Sudan who are using their people as pawns? So let me just put that out there first because

Adesoji Iginla (21:47.41)
training.

Adesoji Iginla (21:56.946)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (22:02.854)
I will not be a part of normalizing this absolute crazy human being. And I know that we might get to a point where people who are speaking out against this man had disappeared in the middle of the night. You know, I'm going to die at some point. If I'm going to die, let me die speaking the truth. That's how I feel at this point, because we are here today because somebody was willing to speak the truth and to fight, even if sometimes it cost them their lives.

haven't said that. Whether it's the, I don't care who is in power in the United States of America, like the comrade had said. This is again.

Hence having a committee you already know that you're besieged by the foxes the jackals the snakes all of that None of them have your interest at heart you the hands are eating your own eggs because chicken would do that I know that I raised chicken right on the certain circumstances They'll start eating their own egg. They will peck at each other and and and kill each other actually

Adesoji Iginla (22:58.172)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:09.984)
So you already have your internal stuff. You don't decide to address that. You invite the jackal, the fox, the snake, and then you're going to get into a cooperative agreement. These people don't care about the 50 % of, they said, 50 million people who are facing starvation. Now don't know if any of you have ever skipped meals for like half the day.

three quarters of the day and by the evening you're already having a headache, you're already feeling weak and all of that. We don't even begin to understand what it feels like to be facing starvation. This is multiple days and multiple months of barely getting enough. So on the one hand, I really want to see peace come in some form. want people to at least be able to feed, right?

But on the other hand, these are, it's like putting a bandaid on a cancer.

in the sense that all of these issues, whether we're talking about Palestine or we're talking about Sudan or Congo, are manufactured by men. And men, you guys are the problem. It's really not women creating a lot of the issues we face across the earth. Y'all need to figure out what your issues are, because you're killing all of us. I mean that sincerely. I don't know what this aggression is. I don't know what it is. But.

where we, of course, women are getting raped in addition to everything else that we're dealing with that men deal with too. And so for my people and for those of us who believe in prayer,

Aya Fubara Eneli (24:49.834)
want to put my confidence, although it's at this point, have no reason to have that confidence in our people coming together and saying enough of us participating in our own oppression, enough of us stealing the gold and the wealth of the people to buy weapons to oppress our own people. We don't need to beg for food, but bull us.

First of all, the nepotism here, his daughter's father-in-law, I mean, we're just normalizing all of this stuff. I do hope for my people that yes, food comes in, but in the long run, I hope for my people that we get back the sense God gave us and that we kick these outsiders out because they never want us at peace. As a matter of fact, they benefit from us fighting each other.

And the only reason they now come in is if it's affecting their interests. They don't care if we all die. Then they can actually take it all. Trump and you keep campaigning for the Nobel Prize just because it irks you that the black man got it. The fact that Obama was a two term president and Obama got the Nobel Prize, now you're gonna start copying his walk. Good luck, because that man lives rent free in your head. But.

For all of these institutions, if you ever want to have any credibility, you need to look at the decisions you're making. And given Trump, the Nobel Prize would be a huge mistake. But then again, if they want to blow up their own empires, so be it.

Adesoji Iginla (26:29.842)
Any final thoughts, Kamran?

Milton Allimadi (26:30.658)
All right, so, you know, the clerk got the Nobel Prize. The ultimate, the ultimate.

Aya Fubara Eneli (26:36.169)
yeah. And we've talked about that one too.

Milton Allimadi (26:40.462)
the ultimate apartheid chief. So this is 100 % political, as I pointed out. So I will not be shocked if Trump gets it since the clerk got it, stained it with his bloody hands. Of course, he should not get it, but I won't be surprised if he got it. The Fertile Gaza Float should get it, but they probably won't, they won't get it because giving it to the Fertile Gaza would be making a strong political statement in

Adesoji Iginla (27:02.426)
of Francesca Abanese.

Adesoji Iginla (27:09.234)
Did you guys notice where?

Milton Allimadi (27:10.562)
support of progressive humanity. And I don't think Europeans are ready to do that right now. Not the Nobel committee anyway.

Adesoji Iginla (27:18.834)
Would they give it to Francesca Albanese?

Milton Allimadi (27:25.132)
No, that's a bit too political. That's too progressive. She's the ultimate progressive who's been denouncing the genocide at the risk of her job, you know, all this time. Yeah. And the big question here is the complete absence and failure of the African continent. That is why the bourgeoisie elite that live, and remember last week,

Adesoji Iginla (27:37.532)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (27:47.739)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (27:54.904)
went after we praised what they said in the United Nations. I was very quick to denounce all of them. I said, I can commend them for saying things, but at the same time, I will support people who want to get rid of all of them. Because now, we can't even remember the name of the executive commission chair of the African Union. Because the African Union should be at the forefront of resolving these crises.

Adesoji Iginla (28:01.82)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (28:24.151)
So the ultimate affirmation and confirmation of neocolonialism is when you have the chief advisor to a European American fascist president who's taking the lead role in resolving two major crises on the African continent. If anybody wanted any proof that Africa collectively

these are not independent countries. This is the best confirmation and confirmation. And that's the final say I'll have on this particular topic.

Adesoji Iginla (29:03.27)
Well, to be fair to the Africans, a number of bodies have been trying to mediate, not least the African religious and civil society networks led by women, but they've been largely undermined by what the sister said, the testosterone in the room has largely undermined those efforts. So we have to give them the flowers as it were.

But that said, what I find instructive about the Sudanese crisis is, again, when European commentators come in and say, well, colonialism has been good for Africa, this is a classic example of the legacy of colonialism. Sudan, a country the size of Western Europe.

is basically fracturing and because it was not supposed to be together in the first place. But you know that is a matter for another day. We go to our next story which is from the BBC and it's titled Agua.

Adesoji Iginla (30:24.718)
titled, thousands of workers in limbo as US African trade deal set to expire. And it reads, the African Growth and Opportunity Act, AGUA, embedding in legislation, a landmark trade agreement that has for 25 years given some African goods duty free access to the US market expires on Tuesday. However, the policy is at odds with the Trump administration record of imposing tariffs.

envoys from the various African countries have gone to the US to try and negotiate an extension. Your thoughts?

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:06.216)
Again, language. It's at odds with the Trump administration's, what did they say of imposing tariffs? How about we call it what it is? The Trump's administration tactic of bullying the rest of the world.

Adesoji Iginla (31:14.972)
time to see ya.

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:24.936)
with its nuclear power and its trade policies. It's a bullying. It's not just terrorists, know, come different countries have to know this is a concerted effort to bring every other nation to their knees, not to the United States of America, but to Trump personally.

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:45.994)
but you're using the weight of your position as the president of the United States of America. So again.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:01.738)
So the African Growth and Opportunity Act, AGOA, right? Was formed how long ago? 25 years ago. And in that whole time...

Adesoji Iginla (32:05.831)
Yes.

Twenty five years ago.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:16.016)
our leaders, instead of thinking long term, decided it was okay to just stay in this place of infancy and dependency.

Milton Allimadi (32:21.331)
you

Adesoji Iginla (32:27.91)
dependency.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:32.796)
not to figure out how to open markets amongst themselves or with any other part of the world but to basically gonna be crass to just stay on your mama's breast because us is your mama right

Milton Allimadi (32:48.947)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (32:52.732)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:53.5)
The United States of America, quite frankly, does not owe Africa anything in that sense besides reparations. But I'm just saying in terms of these little, these deals that we're making. And so even if you got it and you've now been functioning, how about any business you think about how to expand, you think about how to diversify, you do not put all your eggs in one basket. And so I will again deplore, you know,

This man and the fact that he does not care about humanity And all his decisions are about just how to exert the most power against people for his own good or his yeah just for his own aggrandizement Haven't said that I also have to say to my people Why are we expecting? West the west the west to save us

That is never their intent. Never ever ever their intent. So this is a time even as they're hoping to buy another year or whatever from from the Trump administration start thinking about how you diversify. Do we not have 1.4 billion people on the face of Africa who buy clothes?

Adesoji Iginla (34:12.038)
Yeah, yeah, that's the case.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:14.746)
So that is what I would say on this one and that it's a lesson for any of us, even in our own individual businesses, is to make sure that you are not putting all your eggs in one basket and that you are not forgetting the history of the people that you're working with.

Adesoji Iginla (34:28.657)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:33.504)
and putting yourself in a very vulnerable situation for no good reason. Having said that, just reading that story and reading what the young woman is saying, but at the end, if you go scroll all the way down to the quote that she gives there, if you don't mind on that story, our personal development and how we understand history and where we are in history.

Adesoji Iginla (34:48.306)
Okay, in a second.

Adesoji Iginla (34:52.498)
Let me share.

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:00.338)
is really important. So I know she's just trying to put food on the table. She's taking care of her family all the way, go all the way to the end of that article, if you don't mind.

Milton Allimadi (35:13.735)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:15.488)
She has just one request for the Kenyan and U.S. governments, give young people more opportunities. And I would say that request should be for the Kenya and the African governments. We have the youngest group of people across the world.

Adesoji Iginla (35:18.012)
We have.

Adesoji Iginla (35:36.796)
population.

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:39.528)
give our young people an opportunity. That's all they're asking for. We have very enterprising young people. Give them an opportunity. But I don't look to the U.S. for anything except for getting our reparations.

Adesoji Iginla (35:52.474)
Okay, come ready.

Milton Allimadi (35:54.754)
Right, so this goes back to the whole issue that the CISA is touching on in terms of dependency. And that's why, you know, the biggest enemies of African people have been the elite bourgeois class that has been governing since the so-called end of colonial rule. It's immeasurable, the betrayals, you know, the suffering, the disaster that they've invited.

on the African people by their lack of vision and foresight and commitment and willing to sacrifice and to be brave. So Sankara, only in powerful four years in Bukino, France, Sankara refused foreign aid. He rejected it. Offered, he rejected it. Said, don't want it. If you want to give us tractors so we can increase our output of agriculture, we'll take it. And they got that.

and they tripled our food production and became self-sufficient because they're forward-thinking person, right? So we have the biggest problem we have on the continent is that the mind is still colonized. Our leaders have not been able to decolonize our mind. And that's what Sankara was trying to do because you know, and so Sankara has been long dead. He's gone, killed in 1987, and yet the seeds that he planted have germinated.

Adesoji Iginla (37:07.332)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (37:20.231)
I'm still there.

Milton Allimadi (37:21.473)
And that's why Burkina Faso is a different country from all those other African countries today because of the example that Sankara said. Amilcar Cabrón, who was assassinated by the Portuguese secret police, did not live to see Guinea-Bissau win its independence, which it did about a year later after he killed him. But at a very famous meeting, tri-continental meeting in Cuba in 1966, Castro and Che Guevara were so

impressed. They said, we're going to give you weapons to fight against the park. Yes, we're going to give you soldiers as well. He refused. He said, no. How many people would do that? I don't want your soldiers because I want my people to learn how to fight for themselves and uplift their consciousness. So from 66 with Cuban soldiers, it might've taken only two years, right? As Cuba proved in 1987.

Adesoji Iginla (37:59.14)
and muscle juice. Yeah, taking me out to a fight. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (38:06.317)
fight for their own freedom.

Milton Allimadi (38:19.978)
when it defeated South Africa. So it took from 1966 all the way to 1973 before they defeated the Portuguese. But the people that defeated the Portuguese were the people of Guinea-Bissau, completely transformed. Mohammed Babu, Abdurrahman, who was Nyerere's Minister of Economic Planning before they fell out, because the West put a lot of pressure on Nyerere, said this guy is too radical, communist, pro-China and all that stuff.

Adesoji Iginla (38:33.19)
be tell you.

Adesoji Iginla (38:42.407)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (38:49.971)
Babu in the 1960 was saying what St. Carlos was saying in 1980s. Let's reject foreign aid. It's going to backfire in the long run. And this is another form of foreign aid. saying, okay, it's different because it's opening up market, but it's still dictated on the preference of the United States. Yeah, that's a great book by Babu. So now that preference is being ended.

unilaterally. We're talking about in Kenya alone, they're saying over 6,000 jobs. No, wait a minute, 66,000 jobs. Just think about that. 66,000 jobs, and we have large families and extended families, so we are talking at least 10 to 20 dependents on these. It's going to be...

Adesoji Iginla (39:27.259)
and jobs here.

Adesoji Iginla (39:32.719)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:39.008)
That's exactly right.

Milton Allimadi (39:41.597)
Yeah, it's going to be a calamity for many of these countries. And it goes back at the end of the day to Mr. Leader, what did you get us involved in? Unfortunately, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (39:55.378)
Yes. Could you also do us a favor? There was a book written in 1972 that talked about the coming of this problem.

Milton Allimadi (40:03.793)
Wait, you're echoing.

Adesoji Iginla (40:06.94)
Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

Aya Fubara Eneli (40:09.33)
Not clear, not clearly.

Milton Allimadi (40:09.426)
Can you hear him echoing too?

Aya Fubara Eneli (40:15.87)
Okay, you're you're you're clear now? Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (40:16.53)
Am I clear now? OK. OK. So there was a book written in 1972, which was subsequently rehashed in 1981, which speaks to this very problem of dependency. And we've had the widow on here, Walter Rodney. Yes. Could you just give us a synopsis of what this book talked about with regards to this particular problem? About

Milton Allimadi (40:31.453)
Absolutely.

Walter Rodney, right?

Adesoji Iginla (40:45.37)
our dependency on consuming Western goods to the detriment of our own industrialization.

Milton Allimadi (40:54.181)
Well, I think the easiest way to understand Rodney's argument is that there's an inverse correlation between the wealth and development in the industrialized countries and the retrogression in African countries, you know? And the colonial model, not only did they insist that you be cheap laborers, but you produce raw materials.

We take it to Europe as if they could not build factories in Africa, right? We take it to Europe, put it in our factories, and then bring it back as, know, manufacturing like this, and then force you to buy it. It's the ideal dream of any corporation in the world, right? To have an exclusive supply of cheap labor, exclusive supply of consumers of what you produce. And that's,

Adesoji Iginla (41:25.904)
Yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (41:33.266)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (41:37.148)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (41:50.135)
still what prevails in Africa today.

Adesoji Iginla (41:52.838)
Yeah, yeah. Because I think people should actually read this book. And yeah, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Walter Rodney is a must read for people to understand the geological, geopolitical setup, especially when it comes to trade and what have you. And stories like this will continue to make the rounds because the infrastructure in place will not be dismal.

Milton Allimadi (41:58.328)
definitely.

Adesoji Iginla (42:22.428)
hopefully should be, but will not be dismantled by leaders who are beholding to the Metropole, as it's called.

Milton Allimadi (42:31.002)
Absolutely. Look, you have the guy who was a managing director of the IMF, Alassane Qatar, running next week, I think, right? Again, at the age of 83 in the Irish coast. And then later this same month, you have Paul Bia, 94. You know, he's, as we said last week, he's actually a French man in African skin.

Adesoji Iginla (42:40.41)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (43:00.938)
running again to extend this rule on behalf of French interests. We have to become much more aggressive against these misrulers. They're really, they're killing our children. That's what they're doing.

Adesoji Iginla (43:05.894)
Mmm

Adesoji Iginla (43:17.468)
Well, so with that said, we go to the next story, which is from.

Guinea. And it's...

Adesoji Iginla (43:30.578)
It's from Ghana, rather. It's from the Radio France International. And it's that US backtracks on Ghana's visa curbs as the country becomes deportation hub. It says, the United Nations has reversed its visa restriction in Ghana as the West African nation emerges as a key deportation hub in President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown.

While Accra maintains it has received nothing in return for taking in deportees, one political scientist told RFI an agreement to take in more West African deportees was the only plausible explanation. And he goes further. That's the president who at the UN was talking massively. So Accra has insisted it has received nothing in return for taking in the deportees, though Mahama acknowledged.

that the deal was struck as relations were tightening, with Washington imposing tariffs as well as visa restrictions in recent months. The US visa restrictions imposed on Ghana has been reversed. Ghana's Foreign Minister Samuel Okuto Ablawa said in a post on X, he said the good news was delivered by US officials on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly. In June,

The United States announced restriction on most visas from Cameroon, Ethiopia, Ghana, and Nigeria, restricting them to three months on a single visa. Ghana can now be eligible for five-year multiple entry visas and other enhanced consular privileges, Ablauva said. OK, interesting.

Who wants to go first?

Milton Allimadi (45:28.476)
Go ahead sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:31.168)
Okay, you know, so again, we've discussed this issue before.

Adesoji Iginla (45:31.698)
You

Milton Allimadi (45:32.743)
I think I took the last two before.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:44.032)
listening to the language and he says, Akra says they've received nothing. Well, know, Akra doesn't have to receive anything. Our leaders always figure out a way to come into office with one level of wealth at one level of wealth and by the time they leave, are at a whole different stratosphere. So I don't know who received what, but it is very interesting that...

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:11.92)
He tried to couch this as he's been a Pan-Africanist. He was stepping in to assist with the Africans who were being deported. And now we are hearing that some of these people who were just taken across the border into Togo and abandoned, we're hearing people were returned to countries where they had fled from, and that's why they had filed for asylum. So...

Adesoji Iginla (46:28.164)
And dump. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:38.526)
The man is talking out of not both sides like all sides of his mouth at the same time. Can't believe anything he says consequently. And yes, the fact that you become a dumping ground or a conduit for taking care of Trump's problem and then now your people have their visas.

their visa status, you know, reversed so that they can travel as they will to continue this dependence we have on America. Because you can travel to other places and there many beautiful places in Africa that you can travel to. Now I know there are students who want to get visas to come and study here and so on and so forth. I get it. I'm not, you know, I understand that. But I will also say that again, the betrayal of African elites

Adesoji Iginla (47:12.711)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (47:31.794)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (47:32.104)
when it comes to Africa as a whole is it's just beyond mind-boggling. It's saddening. It's maddening all at the same time. He's clearly playing games with not just his country, but with the lives and the sovereignty of other African nations as well. Right? And possibly creating issues in other countries, because now you've gone and dumped those people in Togo.

Adesoji Iginla (47:52.998)
Hm, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:00.54)
What is Togo supposed to do when it goes from five people to 20 people to 100 people to whatever number of people you decide to accept from America and then just dump somewhere else? But again, so let me say this because I was thinking about it on the other topic with this Nobel Prize. This idea that

If you don't do what Donald Trump wants you to do, then there are reprisals. So go ahead and be conciliatory so that there are no reprisals. What in history has shown us that that works?

Adesoji Iginla (48:40.655)
Exactly.

Milton Allimadi (48:40.783)
you.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:41.874)
When has that ever worked with any bully where if you give them your lunch on Monday, they're going to let you eat your lunch on Tuesday and Wednesday. It like it never works. They take your lunch Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. They tell you what kind of lunch you better bring. And Saturday they're coming to your house and taking whatever else. So this idea of let's appease him, let's appease him so that it controls him.

Adesoji Iginla (48:46.758)
to continue taking...

Milton Allimadi (49:00.249)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:11.848)
to ourselves. We're simply acting out of cowardice. And my whole thing is, can we believe in ourselves for enough of us to stand up and say, this is madness, and we're not going to gloss over it and act like it's normal. And so this president of Ghana, Shimon and coming out to the UN and waxing eloquent and all of this, and you're damn coward. That's what you are. And you're betraying your people.

Adesoji Iginla (49:12.796)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (49:41.458)
Comrade?

Milton Allimadi (49:42.479)
All right. I mean, I think we discussed this when the issue first came out. And I said there should be an African Union position on this. But nobody should hold their breath because that's not going to happen. No, it just won't happen. There's a lack because it means you're taking a position against Trump. And I haven't seen any one of them take a position yet.

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:54.399)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (50:11.99)
except maybe the Alliance or Sahel states, you know, otherwise nobody else has taken a position. Ramaphosa was brought to the White House. They made sure they had these right-wing racist Europeans there, know, lambasting him for genocide against Africanas, you know, slapped him around, sent him back home.

Adesoji Iginla (50:29.916)
Correct.

Milton Allimadi (50:41.474)
But luckily for him, the African ancestors were intervening a little bit and caused this friction between Elon Musk and Trump. So that decreased the pressure that was really escalating dramatically against South Africa. I think that gave him the energy to come here and take a very strong position on Gaza. But that has to be a daily practice with every African leader.

Now in terms of the dumping of these individuals into toggle, I think this is a situation where their lawyers should be able to get them some money. You can't just pick human beings.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:26.208)
The lawyers have filed.

Milton Allimadi (51:28.66)
Okay, they need to get compensation. You can't just dump human beings somewhere in the world without family, without source of income, without social benefits. That's outrageous. I think that's something that could get good media coverage in terms of them getting some money straight, you know, awarded to them.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:49.952)
But these are not people, there are no humans involved here.

Adesoji Iginla (51:54.438)
Yep. That's it.

Milton Allimadi (51:55.378)
Absolutely, but this is this is a case that can can can attract some attention So you have to jump on that opportunity and give it a try because then it raises the other question Why should these governments You know and maybe not in the case of Ghana. We don't know maybe they got some direct funding as well but in the case of Rwanda when Rwanda was dealing with the British Something similar to that. Why should the money be going to the government?

these are the individuals who are the victims. You are denying them the opportunity cost of what they might have been able to accomplish had the normal process allowed them to.

Milton Allimadi (52:50.082)
So they should be compensated for that. They're much more deserving of compensation than the governments of the countries where you're dumping them to.

Adesoji Iginla (53:04.7)
So I was minded to also go down the rabbit hole of history. Because Ghana said, or rather, the first elected president of Ghana, Kwame Nkrumah, said the freedom of Ghana, the independence of Ghana is meaningless without the independence of every other country. But then he wrote a book titled Neocolonialism, The Last Stage of Imperialism.

And one of the most powerful quotes in their ears, he says, the essence of neocolonialism is that the state, which is subject to it, it is in theory independent in reality. Its economic system, which we have already seen with the Agricultural Goals Act, and its political policy, Ghana, is directed from the outside. That is a man.

Milton Allimadi (53:58.819)
Yep, absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (54:00.432)
who occupied the seats you are now sitting in, who had already told you what is to come. And you go ahead and do this.

Adesoji Iginla (54:13.456)
You know, he begs belief. just, the mind boggles. The mind just boggles.

Milton Allimadi (54:20.409)
Not to me, they're doing exactly what I expect from neo-colonial leaders. They no longer surprise me, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (54:29.892)
Wow. Well, that's it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:30.624)
So what I would say is as we are reviewing these stories, that it's imperative that we as individuals also take a look at in our own lives where we are, how we may be silent.

Adesoji Iginla (54:34.993)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:54.984)
or not taking a stance against the injustices that we see. Like it doesn't have to be on a global stage to show up and have some courage about you. And if you can't show up in the little things, you will never be able to show up in the big things. And so...

Adesoji Iginla (55:05.682)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (55:12.694)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (55:12.934)
Hmm. Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (55:15.006)
For all of us watching, for those of us talking, the question is, how are we also showing up and resisting, mounting a resistance to this fascism, to this authoritarianism? How are we showing up in love to humanity as opposed to, I'm just taking care of mine and to hell with everybody else? How are we not?

Embracing our privileges because anyone who's watching this right now is more privileged than a good percentage of the world if you got a device if you can afford data and so on and so forth What are we doing with our privilege? So that we are not also disconnected from the masses of people and acting like these elites are because Possibly if you talk with them and I have talked with some of them they See nothing wrong with what they're doing Don't even occur to them because of how they've been

Adesoji Iginla (56:05.36)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (56:09.214)
brainwashed and socialized, how we all have been brainwashed and socialized, including this idea of individualism and personal excellence and so on and so forth. And so other people deserve what they get. So just wanted to put that out there. So we are not just bystanders watching and discussing these events. What we do in our daily lives impacts what happens in the world.

Adesoji Iginla (56:24.465)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (56:36.786)
Okay, a quick one final story. I'm sure the comrade will be leaving on top of the hour, but I just want to get his take on this. It's, I mean, what's his name? Again, that book I put up earlier, Neo-Coronais and Last Age of Imperialism, speaks well to this issue here. Axis Minerals, the story comes from Radio France International.

Milton Allimadi (56:44.823)
Sure, sure.

Adesoji Iginla (57:03.78)
Axis Minerals, a casualty of Guinea's mining purge, demands $1 billion in damages. An Indian businessman is seeking $1 billion in damages from Guinea after losing his mining license for bauxite deposit in the Bofor region. Bhagwa Oxfam has requested arbitration before a New York court denouncing Konakry's treatment of foreign investment. That's the man himself.

And he says, he described it as a shock when on 14th of May, he discovered that Axis Minerals mining license had been revoked. The Guinea subsidiary of Okval Global Group had been operated in the country since 2020 following years of exploration and investment in the project. He goes into how he heard the story, but the key part for me is the cleanup of the National Mining Register is justified according to

General Amara Kamara, spokesman for the Guinea presidency on the grounds that most of the permits were in breach of the mining code. So in light of, quote unquote, foreign capital coming into Africa, dictating what should be your labor laws, your tax laws, and what have you, what do you have to say about this story?

Milton Allimadi (58:23.604)
All right. So, you know, the timeline to me, I think, provides the answer. So the company, it's had a presence in the country since 2013. It's been operating these particular mines since 2020. The current ruler, the military guy, General Dumbouye, came there in 2021. This is now 2025. So it's four years later.

Adesoji Iginla (58:39.484)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (58:53.147)
that he's bringing up this issue. So it took him four years to find out that these contracts were violating mining codes. That cannot be the correct answer. Whether you have the most competent people in your ministries, it will not take them four years. But what's happened is that since that time, Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso have been demanding more for their minerals. And the guy

Adesoji Iginla (59:20.07)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (59:21.772)
I forget his name, the Indian guy, said we were never, you know, was overnight. There was no negotiation. We were never told to build plants within the country, right? Who is talking about building plants within the country right now? Burkina Faso, Nidja, and Mali. So, Guinea just wants to get into the act now. Guinea wants to do what the Alliance of Social Health States are doing, and it's the correct...

Adesoji Iginla (59:23.986)
Go over as well. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (59:32.764)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (59:37.936)
Looking of us all. And Molly.

Adesoji Iginla (59:45.616)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (59:51.321)
thing. Now, if you do have a valid contract, that's going to be an issue. They can show that the contract perhaps was, and I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know, that it was so egregious and outrageous, then that could be something that a court might have to consider. This contract cannot be legit because it's so blatantly egregious that there must have been something shady.

Adesoji Iginla (59:57.296)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:20.769)
are going on. On the one hand. On the other hand, Guinea should also remember that this guy also has connections outside the country. Because sadly, Guinea has taken $867 million from the World Bank. And you know, and when it comes to choosing side, you know who the World Bank is going to side with. So those are the points I wanted to make on this issue.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:38.776)
You

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:48.014)
Okay, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:54.112)
I guess it was John Henry Clark that said that, you know, Africa has no friends. I'm paraphrasing something along those lines.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:58.903)
Yep, that's right. Yes, he did. He said that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:01.019)
Yep, yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:04.802)
Yes, he did.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:07.754)
So my dear Brown brother also is coming to cannibalize Africa and African leaders are signing off on it. Yeah, so yes, let's take a look at what those contracts are and whether they really can be, quote unquote, legally invalidated. I personally feel that when you look at most of the contracts African leaders have signed, that they can all be invalidated to the extent that

Milton Allimadi (01:01:33.857)
Yep, they should be.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:35.89)
You know, you're leasing a million acres for what? A dollar for a hundred years. I mean, like under what's where where does that make sense except in Africa for you to have these kind of contracts in place? Certainly, if you are.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:49.646)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:50.03)
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:57.5)
overseeing or you own other mines in other places where you have certain structures, infrastructure in place and safety measures, but all of a sudden when you're here in, sorry, when you're here in Guinea or on the continent of Africa, you don't have to have any safety measures in place and so on and so forth. There are different things that we can look at to say, yes, this has to go.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:15.831)
with.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:20.724)
But you know, comrade, are exactly right about what is possibly driving this right now. And I say, great. And let's get more African countries on board. If it took Burkina Faso and Mali and Niger to get the rest of us to wake up and say, hey, we have a strategic, you know, we have some strengths here. Like we can.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:41.586)
interest that you want.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:45.148)
Negotiate differently and we can negotiate and keep more of our own resources if that's what it's taking to wake us up Let's go for it. But the you know the sheer Entitlement, know this article, know, I was sleeping in my home I wish they went ahead to describe the home to us I was awoken at 2 a.m And they said my mind's they got my my my my you own what like the the idea first of all that

Milton Allimadi (01:02:53.207)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:57.975)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:14.758)
Our resources don't belong to us, but one human being or one corporation can just come in and say, own it. This whole concept of ownership, my mind.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:17.174)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a very good observation. That's a very good observation.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:17.49)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:25.774)
No, no, no, that's an excellent observation. He was working up at 10 a.m., at 2 a.m. He told his daughter, who is the managing director, call the country immediately, find out what's going on. The entitlement is a very Eurocentric European entitlement.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:29.084)
That's why.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:31.462)
Live!

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:35.367)
Exactly!

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:45.76)
these savages, these barbarians, these whatever, who the hell do they think they're messing with? Yeah, and now let me call the IMF and call the world back and call Trump, give him a couple million dollars and he's going to put his foot on the scale in my favor. So you know, this is what it takes for a wake up call from Africa, but let me say this to us all, as individuals, wherever we are in the world and for African leaders,

Milton Allimadi (01:03:48.087)
done. I'm good.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:01.106)
So, you

Milton Allimadi (01:04:03.592)
Absolutely.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:14.994)
You don't have a freedom that you're not willing to fight for. You can't negotiate it on paper. We've seen that didn't work with independence. And so the idea that we are going to be sovereign without risking anything is a joke. So if the idea is, IMF is not going to come down on us, you know what?

Do like I do do a lot of debt claim suits in America and people get to a point where they're like I don't have the money. I'm not paying. What are you gonna do to me? Like So what are they gonna do come and take the whole continent?

Again, like we're talking about Burkina Faso and what this young man, Thomas Sankara did that we need to go back to. If all the African leaders, CARICOM, all of them came together and just said, you know what, we're not paying another dime. And from the money that we're not paying, first of all, be strategic because the most dangerous time for a person to leave a domestic violence situation is when they leave. That's the most dangerous time for them.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:10.545)
You're right. I agree.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:11.612)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:05:24.0)
because that's when the person who's been in power over them goes crazy. So you gotta plan your exits very carefully. So they have to be very careful in how they withdraw their money from the Swiss banks and wherever else it is, how they start to build up food supplies and all of that. But they come together and they say, we're not giving you guys not another penny.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:44.869)
So.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:45.944)
Yes, speaking of choosing sides or lack thereof of choosing of any side, mean, Sankara, was it? It was Nkrumah who said we neither faced east nor west, we faced forward. So which leads to this African proverb, is when the lion and the leopard are fighting.

you do not see the antelope cheering for either side because it knows once they finish with each other, you're launched. So we have to be strategic, just like you said. We have to understand what our role is and how to survive in this constant cycle of violence because that's what it is. It's monetarily or legally.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:22.31)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:42.064)
They are just constant, constant niggling. And that said, we've come to the end of this week's episode of African News Review. Again, I must thank my panelists, Comrade Milton Alimadi, Sister Ayaf Fubera and Elia Esquire. And any final thoughts from you, starting with the comrade?

Milton Allimadi (01:06:57.859)
something.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:05.59)
Aluta continua. Samara Machel used to like saying, know, the struggle continues, victory is certain.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:07.452)
Big dress it.

Yes. And sister?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:07:15.316)
the minister from working the fossil said, what did he say? Motherland or death? Motherland or death? Let's do this.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:20.762)
Yeah, motherland of death. motherland of death. Yes. And that said, like Sankara would say, he who feeds you controls you. So try and feed yourself. Until next week, it's good night and God bless.