EP 11 Mercator Map, U.S-Uganda Migrant Deal and More ... | African News Review 🌍

This episode, saw Adesoji Iginla alongside Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq discuss various pressing issues affecting Africa and its diaspora, including the rise of authoritarianism in the United States, Uganda's controversial agreement with the US regarding deportees, the ongoing conflict in Congo involving the M23 militia, and the challenges of black economic empowerment in South Africa. 

They also touch on the need for a new map of Africa that accurately represents its size and significance, reflecting on historical injustices and the importance of sovereignty.

Takeaways

*The political landscape in the US is shifting towards authoritarianism.
*Human rights violations are escalating, particularly in regions like Gaza.
*Uganda's agreement with the US raises concerns about sovereignty and human rights.
*The M23 conflict in Congo highlights the complexities of regional politics.
*Black economic empowerment in South Africa is being questioned for its effectiveness.
*The historical context of Africa's map reflects colonial ideologies.
*There is a need for grassroots movements to challenge oppressive systems.
*The African Union's role in addressing these issues is critical but often lacking.
*Public perception of Africa is shaped by outdated and inaccurate maps.
*Activism and awareness are essential for driving change in African nations.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Current Events Overview
02:26 Authoritarianism in the U.S. and Political Manipulation
05:18 The Situation in Gaza and Humanitarian Crisis
07:49 Uganda's Agreement with the U.S. on Deportees
10:42 The Role of African Leaders in Global Politics
13:35 Judicial Systems and Their Impact on Justice
16:22  The Crisis in Eastern Congo and M23 Denial
19:08  Conclusion and Reflections on Power Dynamics
32:57 Kagame's Concerns and International Relations
35:34 The Role of Militias and Economic Policies in Africa
36:54 Black Economic Empowerment: Costs and Consequences
47:54 Revisiting Historical Maps and African Identity
53:53 Empowerment Through Collective Action and Change

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.272)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to African News Review. I am your host, Adesoji Iginla, as usual. And with me, back from travels, from Kemet, otherwise known as Egypt, is my sister from another mother, host Rethinking Freedom, Aya Fubera, NLAS Choir. Welcome back, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli (00:22.393)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (00:24.57)
And a household name, a legend himself, journalist and broadcaster, Black Star News, author of Manufacturing Hates, Comrade Milton Alimati. Welcome. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (00:28.524)
I'm

Milton Allimadi (00:36.908)
So I hear some background noise. I'm going to try my headphones to see if it blocks it out.

Adesoji Iginla (00:41.226)
Okay. Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (00:51.768)
So we're good. So yes. Okay, so welcome back sister. And a new tradition now is, could you give us the news where you're at to get us moving?

Milton Allimadi (00:54.9)
Yeah, you can continue.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:07.161)
Well, today I happen to be broadcasting from Cambridge, Massachusetts, not too far from Harvard University, where a local bookstore had not apparently heard of Justice Katandee Brown Jackson. I was calling to get another copy of her book, and they seemed really surprised. the news across the United States and Brother.

Adesoji Iginla (01:17.058)
Aya Fubara Eneli (01:34.809)
Milton might be might be able to fill us in a little bit more is that we are very swiftly marching down the path to authoritarian authoritarianism in the United States of America. Of course, in Texas, they have passed the House has passed their

racist map that is specifically designed to make sure that not only do they get five more quote unquote Republican seats, but actually that they get people like Jasmine Crockett out of office, out green, people who have been outspoken, who are progressives, who are fighting for the humanity of us all. And it's now going through the Senate. I was listening briefly to the Senate hearings. It's a foregone conclusion. They're going to pass it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:57.858)
redistrict.

Aya Fubara Eneli (02:26.325)
and until it's passed and the governor signs off on it, which he's going to, because he got a call from Trump telling him to get five more seats, just like Georgia got a call saying get 11,000 plus more votes. Luckily, they said no. But once he signs it, then it's going to start going through the court system. But I have very little.

very little hope that that is going to stop anything because the Supreme Court in Texas has sided with Trump and with with MAGA repeatedly and we know that the Supreme Court of the land is also doing the same. So these are dire times and in the in the meantime

Trump is also playing games with people's lives, activating the National Guard to go into cities. started with Washington D.C. Well, they started in California, we know. And then Washington D.C., he has promised to send guards into Chicago and to mostly black and browns, actually all black and brown cities. They're not looking at rural America or cities that are predominantly white.

Milton Allimadi (03:30.678)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (03:47.063)
This is a serious encroachment on our rights as people. And when he said, vote for me this one time and you will not have to vote again, people took that as hyperbole. You know, he was just talking. He didn't mean much by it, but.

We shall see if we actually have midterm elections in 2026 if they have not figured out how to gerrymander everything so that like in other countries where you have authoritarian governments, it's pretty much one party rule and you go in and you get 97, 98 % of the vote and no one asks any questions. Brother Milton, I don't know what's going on in your neck of the woods. I heard they have checkpoints and things now in NBC4.

for you criminals.

Milton Allimadi (04:36.767)
Yeah. You know, the only interesting thing is what is the resistance, where is the resistance going to come from? Because you have, you know, the democratic establishment wanting to be Republican light, and that is the whole issue. I think before the midterms, or right about the midterms, or after,

we're going to see some major shift in the democratic establishment because that's the only solution. The so-called the disparate. OK, so they keep disparaging them as the extreme left, extreme left. Well, people are voting for them. You know, call him whatever you want to call him. People are voting for Mamdani and people are contributing money to his campaign. So, you know, it's either going to be you waking up and saying we have to.

restructure what we've been calling the Democratic Party into the new reality, or you're going to have your sort of shift, coup d'etat, or something like that, within the establishment. Because not only are people voting for, and to me the good barometer and test is Mamdani. The newly released campaign financing, he raised a million dollars. He raised

Adesoji Iginla (05:43.042)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (05:59.52)
double the amount of the establishment candidate, Cuomo, a former governor. Cuomo raised just under 500,000. This guy raised a million. So the people are speaking loudly, regardless of what the leadership are saying, whether Akeem Jeffries wants to endorse this extreme leftist or not, whether the governor Hawke wants to endorse this extreme leftist or not.

whether Schumer wants to endorse him or not, the people are really taking action by their own votes and with their own money. So if the people are involved in resistance, then I have hope. If we are to be led by the current crop of leadership on top of the democratic establishment, then there's no hope.

Adesoji Iginla (06:52.866)
Wow. Okay. That said, the news from here is on Tuesday morning, we woke up to Sky News giving us a breaking news that the United Nations has declared famine in Gaza, which means two people will be dying every day. Two of 10,000 people will be dying every day. That is what is considered a famine. But what the headline left out was it was a man-made famine.

So again, that is what we do here is we pass the headlines to understand that sometimes what you hear is not actually what is intended or what is being covered up. So in this case, we have a problem with regards to the establishment now basically just running around.

trying to understand how to respond to that news knowing fully well that sooner or later when the pictures start coming out, I mean, they are coming out in trickles at the moment. But once that trickle becomes a flood, it will be difficult for people to hide the fact that they've been complicit in it because they've been warned for a very long time. So that said, we go to the first story for today.

and is coming from

The good comrades most favorite leader, or their leader as we will say, is from The Guardian. it reads, Uganda reached, Uganda reached its agreement with US to take in some failed asylum seekers. The lead says, African countries foreign ministry says the two states,

Milton Allimadi (08:35.113)
Yes, the most useless African.

Adesoji Iginla (08:51.614)
are working on the details of a deal over deportees. That's the great man himself. Uganda has reached an agreement with the US to take in deportees from third countries who may not get asylum or are reluctant to go back to their own countries according to Uganda Foreign Ministry. The country will not accept people with criminal records or unaccompanied minors.

under the temporary arrangement, the Foreign Ministry Permanent Secretary said in a statement. He did not say whether Uganda was receiving any payment or other benefits or how many deportees it will accept. Your initial thought.

Milton Allimadi (09:38.845)
Okay, you want me to go first?

Adesoji Iginla (09:40.15)
Yes please.

Milton Allimadi (09:41.931)
I mean, this to me is the and I know in another show we discussed Sans Sudan, right?

Adesoji Iginla (09:48.93)
Yes, you did.

Milton Allimadi (09:50.834)
is the risk that these fictitious countries in Africa present to the entire security of African people generally, you know, because something like this obviously is not even voted in parliament, right? So you have an absolute monarch slash dictator who just thinks what is in my best interest. And that's what the decision is based on. Same thing in South Sudan.

Adesoji Iginla (10:00.877)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (10:19.455)
when they accepted, how many, six, I think, in July. Same thing in Eswatini, formerly Swaziland. Same thing in Rwanda. This is a Kagame decision, not a decision by the Rwandan people or Rwandan government or parliament. The same thing we have in Uganda. This is one of the most neo-colonial leaders we have in Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (10:23.074)
Yeah.

As what's in it? Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (10:36.482)
the people.

Milton Allimadi (10:49.279)
very tragic. is the only, know, Mobutu and even Amin, these were really wicked dictators, but strangely in their own peculiar way, they actually loved Africa. This is a guy who when during his first term, Trump said, you know, the S word to refer to African countries and Haiti.

And people who are not familiar, and sometimes, you know, I see people praising him online for standing up to the words and not allowing them to do anything when he says, we're going to go after LGBTQ in Uganda. Yes, this is an African standing up. So they try to portray him as pro-Africa. These are people that don't realize that when Trump used the S word, he said, I love Donald Trump.

Adesoji Iginla (11:44.393)
Trump, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (11:44.748)
and people can go and Google and look at the headline and read the articles, right? This is a guy who, and he plays all sides. So when the Republicans are in power, boom, fully in bed with them, Democrats fully in bed with them. So in 1994, because he's been there 40 years now, you know, his transgressions go way back. In an interview with Atlantic Monthly Magazine, he said, I've never blamed the white man for,

Adesoji Iginla (11:47.106)
Yep. Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (11:55.246)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (12:14.539)
taking slaves from African countries. If you're stupid, you should be taken a slave. I've never blamed the white man for colonizing Africa. I don't even know how many Africans are aware of these things that he says, right? So this is just, you know, par for the course. This is consistent with this behavior. And why is he doing this now? Because Uganda has elections in January, think of January 26, 2026. And he knows that

Adesoji Iginla (12:25.546)
of feast.

Milton Allimadi (12:43.883)
After he steals the election, there could be some strong statements. There never any actions, just strong statements from the so-called Western countries. So now he wants to neuter the possible reaction by the United States, because now Trump would say, oh, this is our guy. He's going to be taking anybody we kick out. Let him do whatever he wants. If he wants to steal election and then lock up Bobby Wine, so be it.

Adesoji Iginla (13:08.087)
Is a good man.

Milton Allimadi (13:14.313)
My only hope is that people come out to the streets like they've been coming out in Ivory Coast, like they did in Senegal, and finally drive this dictator out of power. So that's my reaction to this. But it's very tragic because now, Kilmer, Abrego, Garcia, they're telling him that if he does not plead guilty on Monday, they're going to send him to Uganda.

Adesoji Iginla (13:24.526)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:33.24)
Yes, yes!

Aya Fubara Eneli (13:39.299)
Yes, that is exactly right. So, you know, as we look at this, first of all, they said, you know, thank you, you, comrade Milton for laying all the backgrounds that people should at least get started with in terms of understanding who these players are. So when you look at the exclusion supposedly in this agreement,

Milton Allimadi (13:51.658)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (13:57.984)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:02.829)
And they said, including those with criminal records and unaccompanied minors. Just from a human rights perspective, first and foremost. So the United States of America, the land of the free home or the grave, all of that is deporting unaccompanied minors. Think about that. The fact that that was language included. So you're telling me that there are people under 18.

Milton Allimadi (14:13.523)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (14:30.105)
who are being sent out of this country without any adult supervision to places where there's no oversight in terms of what happens to them. And yet we're talking about issues with human sex trafficking and so on and so forth. Okay, so that's just one. And then they said exclusions include those with criminal records. Well, then how is Abrego Garcia part of this conversation?

So these guys are playing in our faces on so many different levels. And so here's the thing, in the interest of transparency, why don't you show us the entire memorandum of understanding? Let's understand who got paid what. Let's understand what.

Milton Allimadi (14:57.287)
Absolutely, it's propaganda.

Milton Allimadi (15:11.186)
Exactly.

Aya Fubara Eneli (15:18.189)
what is being promised and to whom, and let's understand what is the social cost for these African countries. I mean, with our own issues, how is it that Africa is going to become the solution to rich countries and their issues with quote unquote migration, which by the way, it's their policies that are driving migration anyway to their countries.

And are we going to make African countries detention acapellagos now? So whoever you don't want, you just dump on us? And what does that mean in terms of sovereignty for African nations? What does that mean for our own people? And so on so many levels, we should be concerned about the strong arming of an increasing number of African nations

Adesoji Iginla (16:02.371)
the

Aya Fubara Eneli (16:16.159)
these leaders and of course like comrade Milton pointed out the people aren't getting to vote on this they are not saying we want this these are just unilateral decisions being made by a couple of people at the top and I don't know where our judicial systems are across the African continent and I don't know why the AU is not coming out and making a very specific statement against this.

kind of actions taking place. But it's very problematic.

Milton Allimadi (16:50.483)
Right. Now it's just, it's it's it's a ugly issue. and it confirms what Krumah really said. Unless you're a knight, you will never be able to exercise your sovereignty. There's no sovereignty at all here. And obviously this press release or a statement from the Ugandan ministry is, it has no relevance at all because, if the United States says this is the people who want you to take, they'll take it. They'll take the people the US are going to be shipping.

They'll be brought in the middle of night. You won't know who was sent there, right? It's not like they're going to be allowed to make a statement once they get to Uganda. This is who I am. This is why I was shifted. And it's going to be, well, the Kilmar case is getting a lot of publicity. So I want to really see if they can actually deport him to Uganda because this is going to be followed by media. I can see like 50 journalists from different parts.

of major media around the world, going to Uganda to see what happens to this case. So this is going to be a good test. And in terms of the African Union, unfortunately, the African Union, the budget, 60 % comes from outside. So I think the African Union has already been told. This one we don't want you to make a statement about.

Adesoji Iginla (17:55.391)
and outlook.

Aya Fubara Eneli (17:55.941)
Can I, can I, I put? Yeah, go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (18:07.406)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:09.487)
goodness. You know, the other thing that just comes to mind is who is the current Secretary of State for the United States of America? Marco Rubio, whose own family are immigrants themselves. And so the absolute dissonance, you know, the cruelty of it all, the understanding that this could have been your own people.

Adesoji Iginla (18:18.178)
Suggest. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (18:19.135)
Yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's just ironic in a tragic way.

Milton Allimadi (18:37.588)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:38.615)
in the future will be.

Milton Allimadi (18:40.658)
Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (18:41.678)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (18:43.137)
All because you want power. You absolutely abdicate any kind of ethics, morality, humanity. These people are beyond evil and African leaders are playing into it.

Adesoji Iginla (18:59.19)
Yes, I mean to even buttress the point with regards to Museveni. Museveni wrote a book in 1992 titled The Problem with Africa. Chapter 2 says one of the key problems with Africa is presidents stay too long in power. Talk about being a hypocrite. But I mean back to this story itself, Museveni does have form. He was party to the receiving of

Deportees from Israel, Sudanese and Kenyan. So it's just the basics of this is the next gig in town. I might as well get on board with it and see how far I can, you know, it. And so, A side note on the issue of Uganda. In the course of the week, there was also

Milton Allimadi (19:32.139)
All right, every 3M.

Adesoji Iginla (19:56.654)
talks about a certain judge on the ICC, Julia Subitendi, who said it was her moral duty to protect Israel. That statement would have gone on, you know, fairly beyond most people's thinking. But the fact that the former president of the International Court of Justice

Milton Allimadi (20:03.358)
routine then.

Adesoji Iginla (20:26.51)
stepped down in January, and she by far is the highest. She's the acting president of the International Criminal Court. Makes her position now very, very precarious in terms of the Gaza situation. Not that she can sway, not that she can obviously overturn the actions of the court, but her argument can sway the decision. So my question to you is, both of you, I'll start with the sister.

What do you think the world should be doing now with regards to her position on the matter in view of her position as the acting judge? President of the International Criminal Court.

Aya Fubara Eneli (21:13.295)
an attorney, one of the things I would say is that I laugh only because I almost didn't practice law. I actually graduated from law school and did not practice for a while, came back to the practice, had to leave again. I used to call myself a recovering attorney and I've come back to the practice of law.

One of the things that was most debilitating for me as a first year law student was the fact that I had gone into law school with the sense of law is where you go to bring about social justice. It's about equality. It's about making things fair for everybody. And by my, by the second lecture I had my first day of law school, I was so disillusioned and I was like, what Kool-Aid had I been drinking?

to believe that any legal system, modern legal system, because it wasn't always that way in ancient Africa, but what Kool-Aid had I been drinking to believe that these modern forms of law were ever designed to do anything but maintain the status quo? And so I think that one of the lessons from whether it's the...

international court of justice, whether it's the Supreme Court here in the United States, whether you are, you know, you've been pulled over for a traffic ticket, is that modern judicial systems are not about social justice. They are not about fairness. They are not about equity. They are about maintaining power. And so

What that informs me as an individual is that we as individuals who care have to stop abdicating our power to these entities and assuming that they will do what's right and just. We have to be advocates of ourselves and of others. We have to speak up. We have to use every platform we have. And when we need to put our bodies on the line,

Aya Fubara Eneli (23:19.693)
we should be willing to do so because nobody, especially these bodies, are coming to save us. So the truth of the matter is that in the history of the ICJ, what have they accomplished? Besides going after, quote unquote, third world despots, what have they done? Putin just waltzed into the United States of America and had a very public meeting that was covered by world media. Is he not?

Has he not been charged as a war criminal? Netanyahu is doing whatever he wants to. I mean, so there's no teeth behind this. There's no willpower behind this. So this woman who wants to go down in infamy as supporting the genocide of Palestinians, which once that happens and as it's happening, also means that any other marginalized group

is fair game, no one's going to speak up for them either, including her. If that's how she wants to go down in infamy, she's not going to be the first and she's not going to be the last either. She's not the first, she's not going to be the last. I don't put any credence in it. We as individuals need to keep educating ourselves and fighting where we can in whatever ways we can. And at this point, that also includes calling her out for the absolute despot that she is.

Adesoji Iginla (24:19.352)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (24:47.39)
Alright, this woman is in a uniquely precarious position when she voted against the South African lawsuit.

Adesoji Iginla (24:47.587)
Milton?

Adesoji Iginla (25:01.546)
Action. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (25:04.388)
I launched a petition to have her removed from the court on change.org. I I got a couple of hundred signatures, but then the momentum died. So hopefully this is another time for people to go back and check that petition. But I sort of feel I don't. Well, it's tough. She has family in Uganda.

lots of family in Uganda. has relatives in Uganda. When she voted against the South African lawsuit, I'm convinced she was voting Museveni's position. Even though Uganda came out and issued a statement saying this is her own personal position, trying to distance saying, yeah. But said this is our own position, but didn't officially say Uganda denounces this position. Because Uganda

Adesoji Iginla (25:45.024)
Immediately.

Milton Allimadi (26:00.297)
not Uganda really, Museveni wants to have a good relationship with Israel. He gets a lot of weapons from Israel, a lot of surveillance equipment from Israel, and training for his intelligence services as well. So he wants to have his cake and eat it too. So this woman making a statement like this is actually something coordinated through the Museveni apparatus.

And then Uganda on this occasion came out and denounced her position. Even though that's exactly what Moseve wants her to say. Here he's mastered the art of Machiavellian politics, you see? And for her, she cannot come out and say, this is outrageous. How would a sane human being be making these statements or even voting like that? But she can't.

Adesoji Iginla (26:34.574)
Throw it now under the bus. Somebody wanted? Okay.

Milton Allimadi (26:59.85)
They don't have to tell her directly. All they need to do is maybe have one of her relatives who has not spoken with her for a long time, call her on the phone and say, how are you doing, Auntie? OK, I just wanted to check and hang up. You see? Oh, absolutely. 100%. 100 % hostage. And that's part of the problem when you

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:15.781)
So you're saying that she might be held hostage?

Adesoji Iginla (27:22.914)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:23.631)
But here is the thing though, Brother Milton, any one of us right now is in a position where we can be held hostage. But the issue is your acquiescing doesn't save you or anybody. And so we all need to be clear about that. And I say that knowing that the FBI is probably monitoring this, but

Milton Allimadi (27:27.732)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (27:32.937)
I agree with you.

Milton Allimadi (27:38.058)
It does not. Okay, thank you for saying that. It does not save her and it will not save her ultimately.

Aya Fubara Eneli (27:48.245)
Zora Neale Hurston said one time that if they kill you and you're silent, that they will say you liked the killing, basically.

Milton Allimadi (27:48.5)
We are on the same page.

Milton Allimadi (27:55.147)
We are on the same page. She is on the bed that she made for herself. She worked with the Museveni regime. And that is how ultimately she kept getting into the system and then got into the UN system and then made it all the way there. But I'm just explaining how I believe it's working right now. Because otherwise, people are saying, this does not make sense. It does not make sense.

Adesoji Iginla (27:55.287)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:25.066)
except there's a mechanism behind it. And I'm not expressing any sympathy for her at all.

Adesoji Iginla (28:30.99)
Okay, speaking of that, we stay in East Africa and we go to, for our next story, we go to the AP and it's...

Adesoji Iginla (28:46.718)
Rwanda. So it says Rwanda backed group M23 denies role in Congo's massacre. The lead reads the Rwandan backed Red Bull group M23 has denied involvement in a series of massacres Eastern Congo, which were detailed in a published report by the rights group on Wednesday. So

The spokesman for the M23 military called the Human Rights Watch report fake and a fabrication of reality and accused the group of spreading extremist propaganda in a statement on Wednesday. There's a part here that strikes me as odd. The headline says Rwanda. It speaks about Rwanda-backed rebel M23. But in here it says both M23 and the Congolese military have previously been accused of violence against civilians early this year Congolese

accused M23 of extrajudicial killings during his seizure of major cities. Then he goes on again to buttress the point here where he says a separate report by another group Amnesty International, also published Wednesday, found that both M23 and Congolese government-controlled, sponsored militias regularly commit mass atrocities and sexual violence against civilians. Then he ends with this. Where is it?

There is a bit there where he says, yeah, yeah, essentially that is the take, but I'm curious to know what you guys think about the story and the way it's laid out.

Milton Allimadi (30:29.418)
Alright.

Adesoji Iginla (30:30.126)
Sista, you want to go first?

Aya Fubara Eneli (30:32.325)
I'm telling you These stories so okay, I'm gonna put two things together here Here in the United States it's all about ice the weaponization of ice and how ice is going into homes into Places of worship and to workplaces, you know where? Baseball fields wherever to quote unquote apprehend people, right?

Adesoji Iginla (30:35.086)
I

Aya Fubara Eneli (31:01.017)
And the idea is that people are here illegally and they're working illegally. What I've been waiting for and I have not yet seen is any arrests made of the employers of these so-called illegal migrants who are working, right? Because if they're working for someone, if someone is benefiting.

So if it's against the law to be an illegal, to work, to be here illegally and to work, how come there are only certain people who are being arrested and there other people who not being arrested? Kind of like with prostitution, if you arrest the quote unquote prostitute, but you're not arresting the pimps and you're not arresting the quote unquote Johns. So when we look at Congo, let me bring it back together, because people are like, how did she get off to that? When you bring it back to what's happening in the Congo, my question is,

Where are all of these, whether you want to call them M23 or you want to call them the Congolese militia or whatever, the military, where are all of these groups? Cause they're saying they're over a hundred groups, armed groups. Where are they getting their weapons from? How are they affording these weapons and ammunition, which is not cheap. I'm a gun owner. Ammunition is not cheap. Where are the regional sanctions on the traders?

Where is the joint border monitoring? Who is tracking what is leaving Congo and how the resources are moving and the funding of these different groups? Where is the prosecution of command responsibility beyond all of the press releases? And so for me, in the midst of hopefully also putting a spotlight on that,

Adesoji Iginla (32:37.571)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (32:54.501)
absolute despair of the people of Congo. Can you imagine living in this area when we just use the word, there are rapes happening? Do you understand the devastation? Do we understand when we just say, oh, massacres, you know, like, can we, can we quantify what this looks like and qualify it for the people living there? For the absolute lack of safety.

Adesoji Iginla (33:07.608)
Christian, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (33:22.437)
And yet all we have are these press releases and this commentary. And again, and I know what you're going to say, comrade Alamadi, where is the AU when we are coming to the United States to sit at the feet of a felon to quote unquote broker peace, because he's trying to get the Nobel peace prize when we're waiting on Qatar to talk to quote unquote the M 23 rebels and broker peace. Where are

our own leaders. Where is our love for our own humanity? And I think that a lot of this also ties into the fact that we are not teaching history in our schools. And we don't understand, many of us, the roles that we are playing in our own little but really significant ways in continuing the oppression of our own people. So this story about M23 denies role in Eastern Congo Massacre, it's like...

Adesoji Iginla (34:01.059)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:19.941)
Like what are they supposed to say? But to the fact that you can even that there is a command for m23 But they are still able to walk around for the most part free It's probably like who has access to them who's interviewing them and why is not something more drastic being done? To prevent the massacre of these people because there are no people here

Adesoji Iginla (34:43.149)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (34:43.449)
They're, they're, they're, they're no, they, they, are brutes. We are not human beings. So we talk about the people of Congo as though they are. Inanimate objects. Let me, let me stop there.

Milton Allimadi (34:59.528)
All right. So this story is very bad for Rwanda, actually. First of all, you have the headline in bold fonts stating Rwanda backed. know, remember we had a whole show on that a couple of months ago. So that number one is very bad for Rwanda. The number two, M23 denying when they used to gloat and take responsibility for these killings. And now...

Adesoji Iginla (35:14.104)
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (35:15.202)
We did.

Milton Allimadi (35:29.002)
They want the world to know that they're denying it. That's also another bad sign for Rwanda because ultimately the M23 is Rwanda, right? And Rwanda's corporate supporters. And then the lead of the story is actually buried at the very, end. And you pointed out some points where the article is saying the Congolese back militia of Congo and M23. So.

AP is trying to do some massaging on behalf of Rwanda. But the real story is buried one of the very last sections where it says the Bureau of African Affairs wants to take this to the UN Security Council.

Adesoji Iginla (35:59.644)
Two sides. Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (36:18.344)
Because obviously, why is Kagame concerned now? Because now, your foreign minister signed an agreement at the house where right now resides one of the most erratic presidents of this country. So obviously, Kagame is concerned. How might this guy react? Wait a minute. You're sending your foreign minister all the way here. They stood next to me. They signed this thing. And now I'm getting news that

you the people you back are still causing havoc. So that's why they wanted everybody to know that we have nothing to do with it, right? Because they fear the possible consequences. And the lead is Barry, because if they take this to the Security Council, as the US is now saying, they might decide to do something about it. And then you as Rwanda, how are you going to stand up to the Security Council and the US?

Adesoji Iginla (36:57.07)
you

Adesoji Iginla (37:10.264)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (37:17.246)
And that is why they had the part massaging, trying to, and you notice they never tried to get a quote from a Congolese government official. Think about it. You're quoting two different M23 officials, but not saying, let me call the Congolese foreign minister. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (37:34.561)
So, so brother Milton, have a question for you. Kagami has been the, you know, golden boy of the West for some time. Who did he piss off lately? Cause it looks like, it looks like they're about to do a Saddam Hussein on him.

Milton Allimadi (37:42.495)
Darling.

Adesoji Iginla (37:43.138)
The darling,

Milton Allimadi (37:49.674)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (37:54.108)
Okay, actually that is a good question and that's what I have not figured out. But that is worth exploring further. Something has happened. You're right. And that's something we all need to explore. Right. Explore independently and come back for another show of that. I hadn't even, know. Yeah. Yeah. He touched some red line.

Adesoji Iginla (38:00.558)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (38:02.201)
Yeah.

He got too big for his britches.

Adesoji Iginla (38:12.175)
You

Adesoji Iginla (38:17.462)
Okay, so there is a question I did scribble down and which is, we constantly talk about the M23 and what have you. And the good sister mentioned the question, you know, that what's the AU role? I suppose the question, a more pertinent question would be, now you have militias just basically in a very tight spot. You have a hundred militias.

At some point they will eng-

Milton Allimadi (38:47.796)
That's what they say. We don't know that. That could be as right as there's a sister pointed out, that could be right. Right. Sometimes this is something they pick from our earlier story and just copy and paste in the next article. And then it becomes a fact, you see. But I don't think it's possible to have a hundred independent separate militias there. That doesn't even make sense. Factually, 10 may be OK. Possible. Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (38:50.841)
Yeah, that's what they say. Yes. Because who's counting? Who knows all these people?

Adesoji Iginla (39:02.346)
and paste. God.

Aya Fubara Eneli (39:03.105)
and face.

Milton Allimadi (39:17.674)
Go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (39:18.648)
So we don't have a hundred franchises running around with guns. Okay. So that said, we go to again, the economist for the next story and which reads race, power and money in South Africa. it's, and it says, the lead says,

Milton Allimadi (39:22.932)
No, I can't believe that.

Adesoji Iginla (39:48.62)
The staggering cost of black economic empowerment. I want you to remember that the staggering cost of black economic empowerment, the cost to whom. But the story leads. The story says after the end of apartheid, South Africa embarked upon one of the most extensive attempts to redress racial inequality. At the center of this effort is black economic empowerment, otherwise known as B.

A set of policies that in effect mandates firms to sell discounted assets to Black investors, hire more Black managers, procure more from Black suppliers, but the flagship scheme of the African National Congress, the party in charge since 1994, is being questioned like never before. The Trump administration cites BE as a reason. It is imposing 30 % tariffs on the country. Inside South Africa, there is a growing concern.

that these policies, while perhaps necessary at first, are no longer fit for purpose. VE has mostly benefited a tiny elite while restraining economic growth, undermining the social stability it was meant to underpin. Quite a lot there.

Milton Allimadi (41:06.121)
Yeah, you mean, basically it's a lot of propaganda because the article actually the article makes a very strong case for why black economic empowerment needs to be expanded by the empirical evidence that it presents. But it comes out with the exact opposite conclusion that it's bad and it needs to be abolished.

And what are some of the evidence that it uses? That between 1993 and 2019, the 10 % of the wealthiest Black, their income or wealth tripled, whereas the bottom 50 % their income collapsed. So that to them is the evidence. one. Number two, that

Now there's been some shift. You have 75 % of senior management positions in public companies are now blank. And then it says in the public, in the private sector is only 15%. But all that's because perhaps the country is not yet having an education system capable of producing enough skilled workers to take those.

positions. Okay, so it's saying number one, it's okay for those public companies to hire black people who know nothing, have no skills, and that's why they're hired in those positions, but the private, they're not hired because of that. They're not saying, perhaps it's because of the racism that this policy is meant to address, and it's been so ineffective that only 15 %

of the private companies have senior blacks in their management positions. And of course, we know who owns most of these private companies, right? And then regarding the argument that it's only advanced the wealth of a black elite, and it gave us the percentage how much their wealth went up. You notice there's nothing about how much did white wealth go up in that period, number one. Number two, there's no mention at all

Adesoji Iginla (43:14.69)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (43:36.53)
what percentage of the entire economy is dominated and controlled by Europeans. Missing. So as I said, the article showed why we need to expand black economic empowerment. But even after detailing why we need to expand it, came to the exact opposite conclusion that it is the one that is stifling the growth of jobs. And then it gave some

Aya Fubara Eneli (43:41.669)
Of course not.

Adesoji Iginla (43:51.116)
in romance, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (44:05.939)
statistic comparing South Africa to OECD countries as if these OECD countries had apartheid. It's just remarkable and mind-boggling. And then the very final point, the very beginning saying, this black economic empowerment is being questioned. And then as you're reading it, the first thing that comes to mind, OK, who's questioning this, right? The second paragraph says, Donald Trump.

Adesoji Iginla (44:09.804)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:30.467)
Yep, who's questioning it? Donald Trump. Donald Trump, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has never had to work a day in his life.

Milton Allimadi (44:43.433)
I mean, the economists are better sometimes at their propaganda, but this one was the worst. Produce propaganda.

Adesoji Iginla (44:50.574)
You

So there is another part that, sister, you want to go?

Milton Allimadi (44:56.327)
you

Aya Fubara Eneli (44:58.085)
Sure, So first and foremost, again, I'm going to tie a lot of things in. For those of you who watch Urban View Mornings on Friday, Lamont King and Dr. Carr had Dr. Senyatta Admin on there. She's talking about herbs. And I bring that up only because some of the herbs she was talking about have a very calming effect. And in this day and age, I think that for any of us who are, yes.

Milton Allimadi (45:24.743)
Yeah, that's important. Thank you for bringing that up.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:27.811)
for any of us who are paying attention to what's going on, it's gonna be very important that we're also taking care of our health. Because when I read these kinds of stories, I have to be honest, my blood boils and I have to remind myself to breathe, to drink some water, to drink some tea, to calm myself down because this is how these people will send us to early death, okay?

Adesoji Iginla (45:35.182)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (45:52.701)
No, absolutely, of course. And they have, and do, actually.

Adesoji Iginla (45:53.656)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (45:55.223)
And they have been, they absolutely have been. So I just want to say that for all of our listeners, like make sure you're also, as you're taking this in, maybe have some chamomile tea, some passion fruit tea, something that helps to regulate your system because it's enough to, as the song says, it's enough to make you want to holler. So the sub...

title was the staggering cost of black economic empowerment.

Just let that sit for a second. As opposed to what? So what was the cost or what is the ongoing cost of not empowering black people economically? And is that okay? I mean, that's fine. And like you said, Comrade Milton, you're making the case, you're okay if you're safe. Let's say we agree with you that we are

Milton Allimadi (46:32.133)
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Milton Allimadi (46:42.803)
Yeah, no, this it deserves a response. It does. It deserves a written response.

Aya Fubara Eneli (46:59.545)
too uneducated to play these, to serve in these positions. Although really they're implying we're too stupid, we're too dumb. I mean, you know, the black man obviously is not capable of anything much besides violence. What is the reason that people in that same society have lacked the education to be able to step into these roles?

What is the reason that people have lacked the mentorship and the training that any successful person will tell you that they had to receive to be able to effectively serve in roles? And then the argument is against anything that would help to mitigate centuries of again, injustice so that you maintain the status quo.

So are you arguing? Yes. So you are arguing for these monopolies. You are arguing for women not to be included in economic development.

Milton Allimadi (47:55.003)
And you're fine with it. That's the most disturbing thing. You're fine with the status quo.

Milton Allimadi (48:10.109)
Yes, because that involves a third payment, as they said. Yeah, remember? Because BEE also wants, in addition to Black suppliers, Black ownership, include women as well. And the argument is saying, this is adding more cost by including.

Adesoji Iginla (48:13.944)
Mm. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:26.041)
Yes, because let's just keep it as white and titled dumb ass males only in a country that doesn't belong to them where they came and with weapons stole the economic abilities and opportunities for other people. So this whole idea of race neutrality,

Milton Allimadi (48:30.983)
Hahaha

Milton Allimadi (48:40.947)
Try the.

Aya Fubara Eneli (48:51.397)
When the very basis of the economic system has always been based on race, it's absolute idiocy, madness, lunacy, name it. And like you pointed out, comrade Milton, look at the difference between the public and private sector. And again, for me, the question is, how about the people? So when you're saying that income has fallen for 50 % of the people,

Milton Allimadi (48:56.54)
Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (48:57.129)
race yeah

Aya Fubara Eneli (49:20.237)
Is it because of this program? Are there other reasons? Maybe because Nelson Mandela and Cole, God bless his soul, drank some of their Kool-Aid and decided not to really fight for economic independence and thinking political independence was enough.

And then you bring Trump into the equation, my God, he's so race neutral. That's why he brought the white Africanas to the United States and laid out a red carpet for them while he's deporting black and brown people. You all give me a freaking break. These, the colonists and all of these entities that parade themselves as being, what's the word? No, no, no, no, no, they're,

Milton Allimadi (49:55.517)
Yeah, it's mad.

Adesoji Iginla (50:03.457)
elitist.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:07.535)
They're not subjective, right? They are fair and unbiased. My goodness, you guys are reeking with your racism and your elitism.

Adesoji Iginla (50:10.956)
Very objective.

Milton Allimadi (50:12.499)
balance.

Milton Allimadi (50:18.343)
No, this is one of the most horrible lack of nuanced propaganda by the economists. Normally they do a better job. This was just outright explicit craziness.

Aya Fubara Eneli (50:34.563)
What I would say is if they really want to bring about change, let's talk about what are these deals that are being made? Who are the people besides Ciro Ramposa? And again, black folk, need to pay attention to our complicity in some of these issues as well. Let's break up the cartels. Let's cap related party procurement. Let's look at what universal services and labor programs need to be in place for youth and women.

Milton Allimadi (50:47.613)
Right. Don't I agree? Actually, I'm glad you brought that up.

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:04.759)
and tie them to industrial zones.

Milton Allimadi (51:06.023)
Right. Okay. So I'm glad you brought that up because that's another point I also wanted to mention. forgot. Why are you selling these shares to only, you know, these black individuals who can count on, you know, maybe our combined hands, right? Why not create like co-ops in all these African communities, co-ops run by those communities and let them buy shares as well?

Aya Fubara Eneli (51:22.944)
One hand.

Adesoji Iginla (51:35.982)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (51:36.713)
So now, right now, like gold is booming, South Africa exposes a lot of gold. They would be accruing some of that surplus money. They would be able to put that into their local schools, add a little more, pay teachers more, put it into their own clinics, but it be like their own private bank, you see? And it will succeed because they'll always get revenue when the shares are going up. So there's no excuse.

Adesoji Iginla (51:45.13)
wealth. Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (51:58.094)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (52:06.365)
You can't say, they're only selecting a handful of black folk because those black folk become their spokesperson, you see.

Adesoji Iginla (52:13.294)
So, and that said, I want to quickly bring up a story since we're talking about redrawing maps. Sister would love the idea of maps being... And the final story comes... The final story comes from Comrade Milton's favorite newspaper.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:28.933)
Let me go out find my tea. I need to drink some tea.

Milton Allimadi (52:31.369)
No, that T is important, by the way.

Aya Fubara Eneli (52:41.573)
you

Adesoji Iginla (52:42.722)
The New York Times says, Africa Union wants the world to scrub 450-year-old map. Supporters of the campaign says the popular Mercato projection promotes a false view of the continent and its size. That's the Mercato at the top. And the size they want is the equal-ed projection, whatever that means. Africa is roughly three times the size of Europe.

Milton Allimadi (52:44.286)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (53:10.958)
But you won't know it looking at the world's most popular map, the 16th century Mercato map. Last week, the African Union, a continental group of 55 countries, endorsed the campaign to have the organization around the world replace the Mercato map with alternatives such as 2018 Equal Projection map, which supporters says accurately reflects the true size of Africa. So question is, why? Why now?

Milton Allimadi (53:41.075)
want me go? You want me to

Aya Fubara Eneli (53:44.005)
Well, why now? We have a campaign going on right now, right? 2025 theme for the AU is justice for Africans and people of African descent through reparations. So apparently, and with some other groups like Africa No Filter and Speak Up Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (53:52.174)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:08.985)
they've been pushing to popularize this equal earth in Africa, this new map, which I would say is well overdue because for those who would argue there's no reason to revisit the map, the question is why was it drawn in the way that it was in the first place, right? So we have this Gerardus Maccato who was a German cartographer.

Milton Allimadi (54:26.514)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:34.565)
And this map, this projection, the MacArthur projection was drawn up in 1569.

Adesoji Iginla (54:40.92)
Thank you.

Aya Fubara Eneli (54:43.577)
And at that time, it was as a navigation tool for European explorers. You know, the point was, yes, murderers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that correction on language. Yes, murderers. Absolutely. Rapists, pillagers, thieves. And the grid preserved angles, which made plotting sea routes easier.

Milton Allimadi (54:52.328)
Planderers.

Aya Fubara Eneli (55:11.919)
for ships leaving Europe on long voyages to go in and steal. So in other words, this map was designed to serve European maritime expansion. At precisely the moment when Europe was entering the age of conquest, the age of colonization, the age of our ma'afra, which they like to call the transatlantic slave trade, but our genocide.

And so there was politics behind the size of Europe and the shrinking of Africa and the global South as a whole. It definitely, the idea was to reinforce this Eurocentric worldview, making Europe seem larger than life and powerful while Africa is peripheral, small and so on and so forth. And that distortion absolutely feeds into, it fed into the colonial ideology.

Adesoji Iginla (55:52.078)
Correct.

Aya Fubara Eneli (56:06.369)
And it feeds into this notion of the West, Europe and United States of America and Canada to some extent, being all powerful, being the center of the world and justifying their political and economic domination on us. So I think it's important that we do fight back, that we do ask for, you know what, let me rephrase.

We shouldn't have to ask for anything. And that's another point I want to make. As the article points out, the AU is backing this, but the AU on even its own websites has not changed it. So instead of sitting around and waiting for someone else to co-sign, what if we, our countries, again, I know you're going to tell us we don't even control ourselves, but what if our own countries just said, this is the map?

Adesoji Iginla (56:35.224)
Go draw it. Yeah, go draw it.

Aya Fubara Eneli (57:00.803)
What if Tini Bou in Nigeria, the same way he went back to the white woman's anthem for the country says, hey, from now on, this is the map of the world that we use in all our textbooks and in all of our literature and everything that we do in this country. And what if all the other African countries just did the same instead of sitting around arguing and asking for permission?

Adesoji Iginla (57:21.966)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (57:24.676)
So this campaign looks like a campaign that is actually going to succeed just by the amount of coverage it's getting and I think the World Bank said in some of the the static version of the maps they've now switched and then the process of switching the other versions so when you have these establishment organizations starting to do it

that will give some courage to the African Union as well to do the same thing. And also, by the way, this also shows you the type of fights that the African Union is willing to get involved in. Forget the issue of rendition of people to African countries, right? But then on another note, I had...

Adesoji Iginla (57:56.248)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (58:07.47)
you

Milton Allimadi (58:19.418)
In the beginning, I didn't think much of it, but now I also am a supporter of this campaign. I read what one of the sisters involved, think it's in DIA, involved in the campaign said that perception is very important. And I agree entirely because that's what we talk about even on this show, the misrepresentation of Africa, the perception to an Africa. So now I'm fully on board. I embrace it. And I think just watching by the coverage is getting that it's going to succeed.

Adesoji Iginla (58:24.93)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli (58:29.443)
It is.

Milton Allimadi (58:48.826)
and also has another very good reason that I support it for because now it shows that Africans, independent of African governments, independent of the AU, can actually take initiative on issues that they know many Africans relate to and they can get it accomplished. So now we need to focus on some of these issues, right? Issues of human rights, issues of democratic institutions.

issue of opposing tyranny. We can't make it individual fights. Like, why should the fight in Cameroon be only for Cameroonians? No, nonsense. When Paul Bia, at 93, says it's going to run again, all of us should adopt this type of campaign as Africans. Denounce it. Put pressure on the Western institutions that support him. When M7 steals an election in January, we should do the same thing. Any other African country where we see any outrage.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:20.793)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (59:26.872)
for Cameroonians.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:37.123)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (59:48.796)
So this provides us now with an excellent template. And now we have no excuse at all.

Adesoji Iginla (59:55.104)
OK.

Aya Fubara Eneli (59:56.377)
I do want to take a moment to point out two calls of action that Comrade has given us. One is the change, the petition. Can you tell us again where that petition is so people can find it and we can resurrect it?

Milton Allimadi (01:00:12.602)
Right. Okay. So if you go to change.org and you put her name, the judge's name, Sebutinde, S-E-B-U-T-I-N-D, the campaign link should pop up, you know, because you're right. We need to make sure this she gets another job, right.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:23.608)
C-I-D-E.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:29.816)
Yeah, we need to get on it. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:00:31.263)
and just share that widely. And then the second thing is you did a whole program, for lack of a better term, exposing what's going on in Cameroon and Bayeux. if it can you also tell people where they can find that because people need to watch it and get some more in-depth information on who he is, what he's doing and how we fight back, whether you are in Cameroon or not.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:56.74)
Absolutely. So I did that on on my YouTube page So if you go to Milton Ali money on YouTube, you'll find that Also on Facebook I did yeah, Milton Ali money and also on on tik-tok also on the Milton Ali money Well, listen, you know why you know why? No, let me tell you why I want it tick-tock I did like a 30-minute presentation. I forget the topic now

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:04.098)
YouTube or Facebook.

Okay, okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:12.677)
Oh, you're on TikTok? Okay. I need to up my game. I am not on TikTok.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:25.424)
And then my sister sent me an email from London, said, I'm going to send you something. So OK, sure. She sent me my presentation that somebody had boiled it down and put it on TikTok. And it boiled it down from 30 minutes to like three minutes. And it had gone viral. So I said, OK. If this is how you speak to them, I got to be on that platform.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:43.329)
wow!

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:46.776)
you

Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:01:49.349)
I need to up my game. This old lady, there's too many new platforms, but okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:56.168)
Yeah

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:56.78)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, one other thing. Yes, Wednesday, the good sister and I will be speaking about Sylvia Winter on continuing the series of Women and Resistance. So we'll be looking at her writings, her impact on resistance as far as humanity. I mean, she has got so many famous quotes. There is one in particular.

No humans involved. you know, yes, do come on. That's Wednesday, 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So we'll be talking about Sylvia Winter. So that's it, sister. Any final thoughts?

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:02:41.091)
Yes, while we're talking about issues, I have an amazing guest who's going to be discussing Katrina, Hurricane Katrina, 20 years later. We have not truly talked about the issues that led up to that disaster and how it can happen again. So join us on Rethinking Freedom on YouTube, 7 a.m. on Mondays.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:49.8)
Very good.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:59.9)
Yes, of course.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:06.286)
So Rethinking Freedom 7 AM Central.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:03:10.341)
7 a.m. Central Time, we are going to be talking about Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath, its impact on the Black community 20 years later.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:18.346)
And also you could join the Good Comrade on WBAI Tuesday. What time?

Milton Allimadi (01:03:18.61)
That's a good one.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:24.082)
Yes, Tuesday from 3 to 4 p.m. WBAI. If you're not within the metro or New Jersey or Connecticut, then you can tune in via wbai.org online.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:37.632)
Okay, and that said, we've come to the end of another episode and hopefully you guys will join us next week. Next week we'll be reviewing a book to be announced in the course of the week and yes, no rest for the weekend. Yes, and from every one of us it's good luck and have a very fruitful week. Good night and God bless.

Aya Fubara Eneli (01:04:05.839)
Good night.