EP 10 Macron-Cameroon, Gaza–South Sudan, and more... I African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News, hosts Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss various pressing issues affecting Africa and the African diaspora. They pay tribute to the late Michael Brooks, analyse the implications of recent protests in the UK, and delve into France's acknowledgement of its colonial past in Cameroon. 
The conversation also touches on the controversial plans by Israel to resettle Palestinians in South Sudan, the role of media in shaping narratives about Africa, and the return of ancient manuscripts to Timbuktu. The episode concludes with a discussion on political repression in Uganda and the implications of a student's imprisonment for criticising the government.

Takeaways

*Michael Brooks was fond of discussing the history of Thomas Sankara.
*France's acknowledgement of its colonial past is seen as disingenuous.
*Protests in the UK are gaining momentum, with significant participation from the elderly.
*The issue of reparations for colonial crimes remains unresolved.
*Israel's plans to resettle Palestinians raise serious ethical concerns.
*The media plays a crucial role in framing narratives about Africa.
*Cultural heritage, such as the manuscripts from Timbuktu, must be preserved and celebrated.
*Political repression in Uganda highlights the dangers of authoritarianism.
*The conversation emphasises the need for accountability in historical injustices.
*The hosts advocate for a more nuanced understanding of African issues in global media.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Highlights
02:23 Trump's Political Manoeuvring and International Relations
05:09 Protests and the Role of the Elderly
07:59 Macron's Acknowledgement of Colonial Violence
10:42 The Need for Reparations and Genuine Apologies
13:05 The Legitimacy of Current African Leadership
15:42 The Implications of Resettling Palestinians in South Sudan
18:34 The Role of Media in the Palestinian Crisis
32:05 The Irony of African Unity
34:08 Global Perspectives on Palestinian Struggles
37:34 Historical Context of Colonialism and Its Impact
41:13 The Role of Media in Shaping Narratives
45:52 Cultural Heritage and Preservation Efforts
53:49 Political Repression and Freedom of Expression in Uganda

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.728)
Yes, greetings, greetings, and welcome to another episode of African News Review. And I am your host as usual, Adesuji Igaila. And with me is the good comrade, journalist, broadcaster, Black Star News, comrade Milton Alimadi. How are you, sir?

Milton Allimadi (00:23.094)
Asante sana, cariwu. Always a pleasure, my friend.

Adesoji Iginla (00:25.976)
Yes, yes, yes. You were on the majority report doing the good work of giving the world a snippet of what the African reality of an experience is. Other than that, what has been the highlight of the week in terms of news where you are?

Milton Allimadi (00:48.338)
Well, first of all, I want to say they were doing sort of a tribute or majority report on behalf of Michael Brooks, you know. So they had people that used to interact with him, people that used to be on his show, the Michael Brooks show, you know, to give a recap. And what were the type of programs that he liked discussing? And, you know, Michael was, you know, just very fond of the history of Tomas Sankara. And so that's why they had me on.

Adesoji Iginla (00:57.346)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:16.13)
OK.

Milton Allimadi (01:18.427)
And so may Michael continue to rest in peace with the ancestors. So yeah, in terms of the other news, of course, is...

Adesoji Iginla (01:22.624)
Yeah, I should.

Milton Allimadi (01:29.74)
Trump taking over, supposedly, control of D.C., it's largely theatrics, of course, and it's one of these other diversions he's looking for, involved the kind of issues that the right-wing MAGA supporters like. he's going tough on a Black-operated entity.

Adesoji Iginla (01:37.59)
Mm.

Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:58.633)
where they're not tough enough on crime. So let the Superman come in and intervene. Anything to divert from the Epstein files. So that's what's going on. And he wanted to appoint, he wanted the attorney general to appoint somebody who would oversee the police department, would be above the commission of police. And I think, and as people know, DC has a special status, you know, it's not really a state.

Adesoji Iginla (01:58.808)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (02:08.171)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (02:27.307)
It's been agitating for statehood all these years. So the District of Columbia challenged that successfully in the court. So they will get to keep the same police commissioner that they have.

Adesoji Iginla (02:54.2)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (02:54.433)
Yes, deployed National Guard soldiers on the streets. And then, of course, the second major news was Trump traveling to Alaska to meet with Putin.

Adesoji Iginla (02:59.841)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (03:08.556)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (03:11.316)
Well, if things go the way the two of them are pushing, they might end this war soon. I think what Trump, and this is something that he's not hidden in the past, when he met with Zelensky earlier this year, and that broke down into a shouting match, essentially was telling Zelensky, listen, you cannot turn the tide militarily, right? So what you need to do is just agree,

to a ceasefire and peace deal and let the guy keep the territory that they've seized so far. So we are back to that same spot again. By saying that he's no longer pushing for a ceasefire, it means he's listening to Putin's argument, which is that we need to address the root cause of this issue, which by the way, I support. There's no way can you have a stable Europe if NATO extends its borders to Ukraine.

Adesoji Iginla (04:03.894)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (04:09.538)
this to Ukraine.

Milton Allimadi (04:11.814)
even though major publications like the New York Times and its editorial board would prefer to play dumb and to think that's not a major issue of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO and that Russia will just not accept that and would rather continue the war. Yeah, it's a war of aggression, technically, but there are issues that cannot be ignored. So the New York Times is only treating the aspect

Adesoji Iginla (04:19.2)
up on the yeah.

Milton Allimadi (04:41.479)
that this is a war of aggression, country A invaded country B. That is true. But we have to look at all the issues involved and you're not going to wish away the NATO issue. It won't happen. You see? So it seems that Trump has come to that conclusion that at least while he's president, the issue of Ukraine and NATO, that's a nonstarter. It's not even going to be on the table. And the second issue is

Ukraine is going to accept the fact that it's not going to get, at least not now, the land that Russia currently controls. I think the stumbling block is Russia wants to seize more territory before they sign a final peace deal. And that, think, even Trump would find that difficult to sell. So I think that's why they did not conclude something on Friday.

Adesoji Iginla (05:20.512)
I see. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (05:40.936)
when they met. Had the issue of Russia wanting to seize more land not been on the table, I think they would have agreed in the absence of Ukraine, because Europe cannot sustain Ukraine's defenses without the United States.

Adesoji Iginla (06:01.336)
Okay, so over here the fallout has been last week's protest where the prescription of a group known as the Palestine Action have been making the rounds. People who are conversant with the news over here would have learned that in the course of last weekend, last Saturday, about 534 people were arrested.

Now the fallout of that, yes, by the elderly, by the elderly. So the fallout of that now is they've slated another protest for the first Saturday in September. They're seeking 1000 people to come out and be arrested. Meanwhile, the law that prescribed that organization is going through a judicial review because once what happens here is once it's challenged,

Milton Allimadi (06:30.409)
the same protest by the elderly? Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (06:59.912)
it will undergo that as a matter of fact. While that is still going through that process, the people are on the street testing the veracity of that law. And so the police are having to appeal to people to, you know, almost please don't get arrested because it's not a good look. It's not a good look, know, arresting the elderly. It's, but the fact that the elderly have

out and done that meant that protest has taken up a life of its own now so you now have just only the young people out there during the long protests in the course of the weekends you now have the elderly getting arrested coming out and basically saying you know what you're going to have to arrest me so the you well my if you do i'm sure you know probably

Milton Allimadi (07:51.703)
Yeah, we need to have some of that here.

Milton Allimadi (07:57.252)
We need to have the elderly. Yeah, let's see if they come and kick and beat and drag the elderly. We need to see some of those scenes, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (07:58.86)
That will move the needle.

Adesoji Iginla (08:07.256)
Yeah, probably, maybe, yeah, that will move, you know. So speaking of that, we're talking about the idea that something that was started during the colonial era of the British mandate in Palestine, the fallout is what we're now dealing with in 2025. And hacking back to

colonial times, but this time across the channel, I'm talking about specifically the France. The first story for today comes from the German news outlet, Deutsche Welle. And it's that Mr. Macron has weighed in and said,

He has acknowledged French colonial repression in Cameroon. And the lead reads, French President Emmanuel Macron has acknowledged the violence committed by France, by French troops in Cameroon fought for his independence. It comes as African leaders reassess France's ongoing presence on the continent. And it goes a bit further. It says, French Emmanuel Macron

has admitted the country's use repressive violence in Cameroon during the 1950s as the West African nation forced for its independence. In a letter sent to Cameroon counterpart Paul Beer last month, Macron acknowledged the actions of the French colonial troops. This comes following an official report commissioned by France in 2022 which found that France used mass force displacement

pushed scores of Cameroon into internment camps and supported militias known for their brutality with the purpose of battling the country's aspiration for independence. Initially, in light of what is going on in Gaza, what do you make of that?

Milton Allimadi (10:15.445)
done.

I mean, it's very disingenuous. It's a very disingenuous story. I why are you talking about the past when France is still committing atrocities in Cameroon today?

Adesoji Iginla (10:19.734)
Because you can see paranails. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (10:31.968)
And the article, you know, they can't be that ignorant. They must know something is going on in the combat room. Right?

Adesoji Iginla (10:40.322)
True. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (10:43.05)
There's a fratricidal war that pits the side that is English speaking versus the side that is French speaking, which is fully supported by France and by French companies and by the French government. So why is the article failing to make that obvious connection?

and going with the spin of France that these issues are issues of the past. And we can debate it. Should we, it's not mentioned in the article of question, should we discuss compensation? Is compensation legitimate? These things happened a long time ago. Should an apology not be sufficient? All that is pure propaganda when you are witnessing people being killed as we speak right now.

in Cameroon. So I think it's one of the most disingenuous articles that I've ever seen. Of course, France needs to acknowledge those crimes, needs to apologize for those crimes, needs to compensate for those crimes. They killed specific leaders. They committed massacres in specific, all of it documented. So it can actually be quantified. Like if you go to

Adesoji Iginla (11:42.955)
Mm. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (12:04.535)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (12:11.549)
court of law, and you go to civil after there's a criminal trial, and you're found liable for the deaths of people, I mean, you're responsible. And you can be assessed, you know, monetary assessment against you. So why should that not be the case with France right now? The lives of those people are less valuable to the French?

Adesoji Iginla (12:28.536)
compensation.

Adesoji Iginla (12:35.799)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (12:40.634)
You know, know the life, the lies must be valid with somebody, otherwise you will not be talking about it today. You will not be acknowledging it, right? You just keep quiet forever. The fact that you're acknowledging it means you know that it is an issue that is important to the people of Cameroon, particularly to the families of the victims and their relatives, you know? So that's my initial reaction to that.

Adesoji Iginla (12:50.412)
Yes?

Adesoji Iginla (12:59.082)
I'm going run, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (13:10.848)
OK, so one question would be, does the acknowledgement without reparation, which you alluded to here, serve Africa's purpose or merely preserves the French image, whilst its neo-colonial grip via the CFA franc military presence, which is gradually grinding to a halt, or resource control remains?

Milton Allimadi (13:38.287)
Yeah, I mean, I don't even know what to add to that, to, you know, to what I just said, to be honest with you. I mean...

Adesoji Iginla (13:44.179)
You

Adesoji Iginla (13:49.08)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (13:51.288)
Without compensation, it's meaningless. It's just public relations. It's similar to a few weeks ago when they acknowledged the massacre in that camp in Senegal of ex-servicemen who had protested because they were paid, first of all, differential. European soldiers were paid at a higher differential.

Adesoji Iginla (14:05.239)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (14:18.945)
Not only were they paid a very low differential, they'd gone for months without being paid at that camp. It's the subject of a film, Camp Teore, I think it's called. Right. Exactly. So all of this is meaningless when it is not accompanied by monetary compensation. You, after all, first of all, you compensated.

Adesoji Iginla (14:24.876)
love you, Imperium.

Adesoji Iginla (14:28.716)
the T.R.A. massacre.

Milton Allimadi (14:49.494)
the former enslavers in Haiti when they were defeated after the Haitian Revolution. And then you force Haiti to compensate you for more than a century paying compensation to you for daring to free Africans from enslavement in Haiti. So you know about the importance of compensation.

Adesoji Iginla (14:53.736)
Easy, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (15:11.448)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (15:17.184)
So don't go around the world talking about, we acknowledge it. It cannot be put behind us in history. No. The manifestations we witnessed on a daily basis today.

Adesoji Iginla (15:36.258)
So that said, one thing also jumped out to me there, which is you are apologizing for your role in the assassination of leaders who were supposed to lead Cameroon back in the day. But yet you write in the letter to a president that has refused to leave office and in fact is thinking of running again.

for another presidential term. How does that add up to your genuine sincerity? Knowing fully well, this guy is just a feature of neo-colonial rule in Cameroon.

Milton Allimadi (16:20.661)
That just confirms what I just said, that this is pure propaganda on the part of France, you know, to elevate, you know, this kleptocrat dictator. Unless you're saying Macron is also a kleptocrat dictator. He he wrote to his counterpart. Think about that. Trying to legitimize Paul Mia. You know?

Adesoji Iginla (16:34.584)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (16:48.12)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (16:49.832)
It's outrageous. And it's sad that a lot of people don't probably read it the way we are reading it and analyzing it. You see? How is Pol-Bia your counterpart?

Adesoji Iginla (17:03.864)
You

Milton Allimadi (17:04.113)
In what sense? This is a guy who rakes elections.

rigs elections, doesn't run the country. The country is run by French interests and French companies. The guy lives in a Swiss hotel suite, you know, a couple of months ago. His own countrymen were asking whether he's alive or not, after having not been seen for weeks, right? And you elevate him by giving the impression that he's actually doing something, by saying,

Adesoji Iginla (17:37.794)
something,

Milton Allimadi (17:38.994)
wrote to his counterpart. And then I also noticed—and I'm—you know, it just shows you how either ignorant or—

Adesoji Iginla (17:41.346)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (17:49.682)
And I hope it's, let me give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's total ignorance, right? How could you mention the names of the people assassinated, the leaders, without mentioning Felix Mooney?

Adesoji Iginla (17:51.032)
in

Adesoji Iginla (17:57.153)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (18:06.661)
I noticed that.

Milton Allimadi (18:07.33)
It's like talking about the Congolese independence leaders who were killed by the Belgians and not mentioned Patrice Lumumba. How perverted, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (18:15.128)
I just remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I mean, I scanned the article for his name and when I didn't see it, was...

Milton Allimadi (18:26.68)
Yeah, it would be like mentioning Polo and all those other guys, comrades who are killed by the firing squad and not mentioning Partizko Momba. That's what it would be like. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (18:31.48)
I'm not mentioning.

Adesoji Iginla (18:38.488)
Anyway, before we go on to the next story, for those who want a more fuller understanding of what we've just discussed, there is a new book out titled The Cameroon War, A History of French Neocolonialism in Africa. It's from the Vessel Press. it's, my god, it is a very interesting read, actually.

Milton Allimadi (19:00.854)
this would be a good one.

That should be a good one.

Adesoji Iginla (19:08.472)
I mean, I'm on chapter four at the moment, but so far it's been a page turner. So the title of the book again is The Karameroon War, a history of French neocolonialism in Africa. It makes a very good read. And to add to that, to just understand the topography with regards to French neocolonialism in West Africa or in Africa at large,

You go out to that Africa's last colonial currency, the CFA. And it's by, again, this is Pluto Press, so African last colonial currency. So that said, we move on to the next story, which comes from the Associated Press and is titled.

Adesoji Iginla (20:05.154)
I mean, this is very startling, by the way. It says Israel is in talks with possibly to resettle Palestinians from Gaza in South Sudan. The report is filed from Tel Aviv, and it reads Israel is in discussion with South Sudan about the possibility of resettling Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Warton.

Egypt, East African country, part of a wider effort by Israel to facilitate mass migration from the territory left in ruins by its 22-month offensive against Hamas. Six people familiar with the matter confirmed the talks to Associated Press. It is unclear how far the talks have advanced, but if implemented, the plans would amount to

transferring people from one war ravaged land at risk of famine to another and raise human rights concern. One last part. The prime minister said he wants to realize US President Donald Trump's vision of relocating much of Gaza's population through what Netanyahu refers to as voluntary migration. Israel has floated similar resettlement proposal with other African nations.

I think it's the right, I don't even want to go with that. So, I mean.

Milton Allimadi (21:38.102)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (21:38.41)
What is that to be said?

Milton Allimadi (21:40.845)
Well, you see, that's the danger, right, of having an African country that is normally independent, but it's not functional. You know, it does not exercise sovereignty and it's not functional. And I suppose these are some of the things that Kuma was warning about in his book, Neocolonialism, The Last Stage of Perilism. The dangers of having these balkanized, tiny,

countries that individually amount to nothing but problems, but only collectively could become the solution.

Milton Allimadi (22:27.751)
I mean, obviously, anybody who reads this story understands that this can only happen in a weak African country, right? And they know that global readers have a certain perception of Africa, right, and Africans, and a dysfunctional state, weak, desperate for money, and willing to do anything for money.

Accept toxic waste. Accept...

Adesoji Iginla (23:04.158)
use clothes.

Milton Allimadi (23:04.691)
people that are being forced away from their national homeland, right? And essentially collaborate in this genocidal campaign against the Palestinians. That's what you're doing. So whether you're accepting the live ones, the fact that they're being ejected as a consequence of this genocidal campaign, it means you are aiding and abetting in genocide. Whether you like

to see if that were not. That's what it is, right? And so...

You know, it's very pathetic in a very sick way that you are people who are

the victims of an extermination campaign by the Nazis, right? Who are forced out of many European countries by the Nazis, right? And now executing the same kind of policy against another marginalized people.

Adesoji Iginla (24:03.618)
Yep. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (24:19.494)
But what I might say is this, and this is a problem that it can't happen. I like many years ago when the United States was trying to find, and we discussed this in the past, a permanent home for Africa on continental Africa. You know, right now it's located in Germany because no African country would accept on its soil. They may have US bases.

Adesoji Iginla (24:41.676)
Gemini stood got the end. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (24:48.431)
but not a permanent African base. And Liberia was entertaining a US request. And Nigeria, country in the region, said there will be consequences. It's not going to happen. And it never happened, you see? So we need that kind of attitude. But look at the neighboring countries.

Uganda under corrupt kleptocrat, Museveni, and I saw his imbecile son supposedly tweeted something saying Uganda, if Mzee, referring to his father, accepts it, Uganda might be willing to ejected Palestinians as well. You see? So that's the attitude you have.

Adesoji Iginla (25:37.922)
So hold that thought.

Milton Allimadi (25:42.06)
Look at Kenya. Kenya, know, Ruto loves money. You see? So you don't have, you know, Nigeria with all its many faults, occasionally has intervened in major events in Africa's history. With all its faults, all the multiple regimes, Nigeria was consistent, for example, when Africa was fighting against apartheid.

Adesoji Iginla (25:46.728)
Ruto? Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (26:11.701)
It didn't matter which government was in place in Nigeria, you know, whether it was general who, general whom, who, you know, all of them on the same page. When it came to supporting that cause, they, I'm sure every politician was on the same page when Liberia was talking about accepting Africa. Unacceptable, right? So we need to have that kind of attitude to let South Sudan know that this will not be tolerated.

Adesoji Iginla (26:32.056)
Yep. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (26:41.92)
But sadly, we don't have a principal government like that right now.

Adesoji Iginla (26:48.856)
OK, so I mean, you raise the issue of sovereignty. There is obviously cases of this having happened in the past on the continent. And by that, mean you had the, well, before colonialism set in 1652 with the Boers in the Afrikaans. You had

the coming of the Indians who were brought in by the British into Kenya and Tanzania. And obviously the returning soldiers from the First World War who then displaced people in Kenya. So I'm essentially talking about settler colonialism. Now here's the problem. This continent alone has experienced that in multiple ways. You're talking Zimbabwe, Zambia,

to larger extent Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa, even Namibia, built the brunt of the extreme nature of it. In 2025, you are thinking of displacing, I mean, Africa by its very nature is a very accommodating place. But what you are doing is you've committed a crime somewhere and the victims of said crime is what you are now moving on to the

African continent. I don't want to use the word of dumping, but essentially what you're doing is you're dumping the colonial projects problems on Africa, which is colonial history. The idea that certain populations mix alone has been combustible in the past. You look no further than the Rwanda massacre, genocide, the war in, what's it called?

the war in Congo, the ongoing war in Congo, the war as we speak in Sudan. And yet we're still mulling the idea of moving some displaced people. Why would you want to move them when the idea of a shared space can engage for people who seek to want to stay there? So my question to you would be,

Adesoji Iginla (29:10.74)
What would be the moral and legal implication for Sudan if he were to accept Palestinians under such an arrangement?

Milton Allimadi (29:21.734)
No, first of all, the government in South Sudan does not deserve to be in place, and they would not deserve to be in place even more. And this is just a confirmation of why they don't deserve to be in place. First of all, the government is illegitimate. Andres Alvaquia has been there since 2013 with no elections. They haven't had any elections, though.

Adesoji Iginla (29:29.784)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (29:50.717)
even the current, the last peace treaty, which is now unravelling because he's arrested his vice president, Rehak Macha, had called for elections. So anytime it gets closer to the period of election, he manufactures this crisis, right? And obviously, this is the kind of country that Israel wants to deal with, where there would be no accountability and

Who cares? These are Palestinians anyway. They're not expelling Europeans. So, let them be treated the way Salva Kia is treating other Africans in South Sudan. But the bigger question is this. They have experience with this kind of displacement.

Adesoji Iginla (30:24.427)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (30:42.07)
Yeah, from their own war with Sudan.

Milton Allimadi (30:44.418)
They have the experience. They, how did they end up with all of what is now Israel? By kicking out the Palestinians, the Arabs. So they're doing, it's an extension, continuation of what happened with the original displacement, the original Nakba against the Palestinian people. This is phase two. So that they can then seize the entire region, actually.

Adesoji Iginla (31:10.508)
the knockback.

Milton Allimadi (31:15.288)
which is their grand vision and sadly, the biggest, forget South Sudan. They have their own problems, but this is not their problem. This bigger problem is countries like Egypt. They're standing there and watching this massacre.

I think in South Africa was in the region.

Adesoji Iginla (31:46.136)
to love in the wind.

Milton Allimadi (31:46.209)
and it had the current structure, they would not just stand by and allow Palestinians to be massacred like this without intervening and saying they need to find a way to defend themselves because the people that are being killed obviously are not Hamas. These children are not Hamas. The tens of thousands of children killed are not Hamas. So you can't keep using that Hamas excuse to exterminate a people. The ones who are not Hamas deserve

to able to defend themselves. And they're not able to because none of those countries are willing to help them defend themselves.

Adesoji Iginla (32:27.298)
There is a stock of the arrangement that it's considered a loose talk and no such thing is happening. But here is where I push back against that. The moment you put something on the press, you're testing the waters to see what the people's reception or set story would be. If

The set, if the reception is lukewarm, then you might as well just go ahead with it, you know, in phases. But the fact that there's been a large uproar about the idea that such a thing should not even cross anybody's radar, not talk of even putting said idiocy into action, then one must ask the question, when would heat stop? When would it stop? Because we're talking 22 months now.

We, the pictures come.

Milton Allimadi (33:26.3)
will stop after they kill all of them. They're starving them to death right now. If this continues, then they would have found their own version of the final solution against the Palestinians. They're starving them to death. If nothing happens, if there's no intervention, eventually all of them would die of hunger. You know? So the issue of relocating them would become a moot issue, you see?

Adesoji Iginla (33:32.92)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:37.528)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:53.772)
Hmm

Milton Allimadi (33:55.701)
So that issue is another, you know, it's just another disguise. Talk about it while you continue exterminating them by starvation, you know.

remarkable that we are living.

Adesoji Iginla (34:12.578)
So.

Milton Allimadi (34:14.677)
and watching it.

Adesoji Iginla (34:15.404)
What exactly in living color as well live streamed, what would you say the press role, the media's role has been in this debacle?

Milton Allimadi (34:31.035)
Well, you have to distinguish with which media you're referring to. The apologists, the same people who led us to Libya, of course, are pretending that there's no genocide ongoing against the Palestinian people. They will bring lawyers to debate whether the killings fit technically the term.

Adesoji Iginla (34:35.64)
OK, so I mean, OK, so yes.

Milton Allimadi (34:59.098)
genocide. Those are the kind of stories you're getting in the New York Times. It's very chilling because you realize that, yes,

Adesoji Iginla (35:00.376)
Turn this idea.

Milton Allimadi (35:11.814)
their human beings and then their human beings in quotations, correct? And that's the issue that I deal with in my book, right? That the otherization of Africans in order to justify crimes against them. That was the whole objective of the book, to understand the meaning of depicting Africans

Adesoji Iginla (35:25.4)
Yeah,

Adesoji Iginla (35:35.788)
Mind if I?

Milton Allimadi (35:40.822)
as lesser human beings. They just wake up one day in European and say, let's start writing books that show how beastly Africans are. Let's do magazine articles, show how beastly Africans are. Let's write books about how beastly Africans are. Yes, they did that, but to what purpose?

Adesoji Iginla (36:03.543)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (36:04.528)
to condition the mind that these are beasts. So therefore they don't deserve that land anyway. They don't deserve the gold, the diamond, the uranium, the coal tan, the copper, the cobalt, the rubber, the timber.

Milton Allimadi (36:26.094)
You see, the mind has been conditioned over centuries. And the mind is conditioned right now.

to see the Palestinians as other forms of Africans. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (36:40.566)
as well.

Adesoji Iginla (36:45.322)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (36:47.568)
In fact, right now, the way they're being treated, and, you know, it's obvious that it would be difficult today to treat Africans that way, because Africans have a larger constituency. All those other African countries, even with all the problems they have, all those useless governments, they would come together if Africans were being treated like that.

which is the irony about it.

when others treat Africans in a certain way, they find it unacceptable and they'll go out of their way to challenge and counter that. African countries that were committing massacres against their own citizens were contributing to fight against apartheid South Africa because they can't accept that Europeans should be abusing Africa. No way. They would go to any extent.

to resist that. You see? So if non-Africans, Europeans were doing the same thing right now to Africans, the way the Israelis are doing and their European supporters are doing against the Palestinians, they would intervene. They would. They would find ways to intervene. But right now,

Milton Allimadi (38:19.547)
Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, all those countries have been decimated. And then you have Iran also. In fact, it's the irony, Iran, which is not an Arab country, right? They're Persians. They're the ones that have exerted the most attempt to intervene.

Adesoji Iginla (38:24.088)
Saudi Arabia.

Adesoji Iginla (38:40.396)
Yeah, Persian. Yeah.

Step 10, Yes, yes, yes, Palestinians.

Milton Allimadi (38:48.234)
on behalf of me, the Palestinians. How ironic. Right? And then you have South Africa, all the way in Southern Africa, also intervening with the court actions, you know, and the strong statements and the denunciations, you know. So that is why, unfortunately, the Palestinians are in a major predicament. I mean, obviously, it helped

Adesoji Iginla (39:06.605)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (39:18.91)
the protests by conscious people in other European countries, in Britain, here in the United States. That has helped. think otherwise by now, they would have been totally exterminated and they're still being exterminated. But I think obviously, two things. You're going to see many countries recognize a Palestinian state in September, the General Assembly.

And then number two, think it's going to have long-term consequences vis-a-vis U.S.-Israel policy, because the younger voters in the United States cannot accept that the status quo is acceptable. So this blanket support, I think, is going to be very difficult to keep it going in the United States.

Adesoji Iginla (40:02.294)
not going to. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (40:13.688)
When I mentioned the media, you rightly pointed out the role the likes of the New York Times has played. mean, a cossary look at their headlines just tells you that it's almost as if you have two equal combatants rather than someone resisting occupation.

Milton Allimadi (40:37.458)
Right. And they know it too. And that's a sad thing. They know it and do it because they know that the other side has a stronger constituency.

Adesoji Iginla (40:41.376)
Yeah. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (40:49.495)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (40:50.654)
Correct.

Adesoji Iginla (40:52.162)
Correct, correct.

Milton Allimadi (40:53.18)
while the Palestinian Africans, and let me call them that way, because that's how many Europeans see them, you know, whether the Palestinians object to this me designating them that or not, that's immaterial. But for purposes of analysis, they're Africans in the minds of many Europeans. And that is why the suffering and extermination is being.

Adesoji Iginla (41:03.148)
This is them less than.

Adesoji Iginla (41:10.324)
In solidarity, are. Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (41:23.252)
seen as something which is acceptable.

Adesoji Iginla (41:28.768)
You mentioned the culturing of the mind, the creating of the mind so that whatever it is that's done to them is eventually acceptable. The late Colombian professor, Edward Said, in his book, Orientalism, goes in depth into explaining how

Milton Allimadi (41:52.679)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (41:54.198)
the European mind has been trained to see Arabs as savages and what have you. So when you bring them into the African fold, it speaks to what their minds have been phrased to. What's his name? Winston Chorchi would describe Arabs as beastly people. I mean, we could go down the list of the European greats and how they describe the Arabs. So thinking that after

what the pogrom that happened in Europe in the 1930s, you would expect that people who welcomed you into Palestine will be accorded respect. Instead, what they've been gifted has been ethnic cleansing, which is shocking to the core because away from all the, what's it called, away from all the standard

talking points and what have you. The real history of the place, if you read it, it is shocking. The injustice alone is on, I mean, it's incendiary, if for want of a better word. final thought from you on this is,

Milton Allimadi (43:15.247)
First of all, it's not shocking at all. It is part of history, what we've seen in history. But before I address that on the issue of Edward Said, before my book was published by Kendall Hunt as manufacturing hate, much, much earlier, I had a self-published version called

Adesoji Iginla (43:18.134)
gone.

Milton Allimadi (43:44.023)
our hearts of darkness, how white writers created the racist image of Africa. And I remember I sent an autographed copy to Professor Edward Said. I think about that time he was already getting very sick, so we never got to meet. then a couple years later I'm doing research because Columbia has a Edward Said collection.

at the main library, Low Library in Columbia. So was in the Saeed room, you know, going through all those books. And then I was just randomly going through the stacks of books. And lo and behold, I found a copy of the book that I had autographed and sent to him. It's yes, it's in the Saeed collection at Columbia University.

Adesoji Iginla (44:36.088)
No.

Milton Allimadi (44:41.635)
I said, wow, I never got to meet him after I sent him the book in person, but here it is, you know, a part of his legacy now. Now, in terms of the shocking, it's consistent with what they've done. It's consistent with Europeans coming to the United States, being welcomed, and then the people that welcome them getting exterminated. It is consistent with Europeans going to Kenya, being welcomed.

taking over the so-called white highlands, going to Namibia, being welcomed, exterminating the Herero and the Nama people. And up to date, their descendants still own almost 80 % of the land in Namibia. Same thing in South Africa. Coming there, we are on our way to India. We need a landing post so we can rest.

Adesoji Iginla (45:18.05)
what been a month.

Milton Allimadi (45:41.133)
So they can rest, correct? As in the 17th century, they're still resting today by only 72 % of the land in South Africa. So unless we make these historical connections, we will not be able to help victims resolve these issues. And that is why South Africa in particular understood what the Palestinians are undergoing.

Adesoji Iginla (45:44.044)
Yep. Correct.

Adesoji Iginla (45:56.566)
Thank you very

Milton Allimadi (46:10.719)
and they became very vigorous in the denunciation of what Israel has been doing. Because they identify having gone through that same experience of dispossession, displacement, and marginalization. see?

Adesoji Iginla (46:32.118)
Yeah, we could go on and on. But for those who want to do some more digging on their own, you could start with the classic, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Professor Ilyen Papé. On the media question, you could read Howard Friels and Richard Fox, Israel and Palestine on record.

how the New York Times frames the Middle East. There is one I am currently reading and it's a very poignant, it's got a very poignant title. And the title is, Day When It Is Safe, When There Is No Personal Downside To Calling A Thin What It Is, When It Is Too Late To Hold Anyone Accountable, Everyone Will Always Have Been Against It. And it's by Omar El-Kaddaf.

Milton Allimadi (47:26.443)
beyond.

Adesoji Iginla (47:29.768)
It's it's it's a, I mean, the title alone is brilliant. And the thing flows. It's not a, it's not a difficult read. It puts everything in context. You know, media, traveling, the narrative, how the media frames it, how you switch on your TV.

Milton Allimadi (47:30.71)
Very well said.

Adesoji Iginla (47:57.162)
and you're looking at people that you know that have been described in the most egregious way possible. When it comes to settler colonialism on the African continent, Comrade Milton mentioned the untold story of the British Gulag in Kenya. So that's the British giving you their form of the concentration camp in Kenya.

The British would also go to the Indian Ocean, the Chaguan Islands, where they gave away the island to the US military. And it's in this book by Philip Sands is titled The Last Colony, Philip Sands. all of this stuff, like the good comrade said, is available to understand once you connect the dots that

This is part of a larger problem rather than an isolated case. So.

Milton Allimadi (48:59.028)
Yeah, and for them it's not a problem even. For them, it's part of the agenda, you see? It's the agenda.

Adesoji Iginla (49:02.104)
No, it's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's never been one where they have decided, you know what, we are not, we're... The problem for them is getting caught. Is once they get caught, they will then trump out the usual stories like, we do, we look at this with concern, with deep regrets and their usual platitudes.

that is supposed to soothe you for while they continue what it is they're doing. And hopefully, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (49:34.607)
Right. And people need to understand more about the economics behind it. You see? I mean, that region is, it's like Africa, really. Even the, even Saudi Arabia, they may have the petroleum wealth, but they're powerless because they import everything. You see? So they will never be allowed to industrialize as well.

Adesoji Iginla (49:40.509)
Yes, don't it.

Adesoji Iginla (49:58.38)
Mm. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (50:05.341)
Never. So in that sense, they're like producing cocoa and coffee and tea. Definitely, they earn a lot more revenue because of oil bouncing between $75 to $100 plus a barrel, depending on the circumstances. But where does the money end up?

back to the Western institutions in their financial establishment or by importing, importing physical goods, importing intellectual goods, importing construction companies, engineering companies, you see. They will never be like independent, like a German autonomously independent economy, or United States, or Japan.

Adesoji Iginla (50:49.601)
and

Adesoji Iginla (51:01.164)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (51:03.173)
You see? Or China. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (51:08.692)
And there is also the part where I believe you shared a clip with me in the course of the week by Dr. David Hickle, the author of The Divide, where he talked about how Israel itself is used as a beachhead for the Western imperialism about making sure that the Arabs do not control their resources. So we should also see not just as settler colonialism,

or also as a way, as a neocolonial project in itself, that it's important to understand that the position that Israel plays there is one of a destabilizing force. I mean, it's basically gone to war with everybody, every of its neighbor. And now they're signing what is known as the Abrahamic codes of peace. But you know, like to quote,

the word of the great Palestinian writer Hassan Kafani, who said, when you talk peace with Israel, you're effectively talking surrender. So yes, I mean, we continue to watch this situation. And so we go on to the next story, which is from.

Milton Allimadi (52:20.559)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (52:34.732)
The Guardian, and it's titled, it's a pretty straightforward one. It's titled, Asian manuscripts returned to Timbuktu 13 years after Jihadist takeover. It says, Malian city welcomes hundreds of crates of treasures after more than a decade stored in the capital, Bamako.

And the lead reads, political and religious figures in Malian cities of Zimbok 2 have welcomed the return of ancient manuscripts that were removed to the capital. This is following the attack by the jihadists. Jihadists destroyed more than 4,000 manuscripts, as many as nine miscellaneous. After occupying the desert city in 2012, workers at the state-run Ahmed Bala Baba Institute used the Rice Act

to smuggle remaining documents out of the city in a number of ways, including by donkeys and motorcycle. So how do we forestall such things happening, considering the fact that we have the role of technology, or like you rightly contributed the other time, about finding a centerpiece in Addis Ababa, which is where the

AU is based and putting all the stuffs on display there.

Milton Allimadi (53:58.755)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (54:04.269)
Yeah, I know totally I agree with that and as I'm listening to you talk about, know, first of all,

Milton Allimadi (54:15.393)
And of course, Guardian is one of the better, it's in The Guardian, right? And that's one of the better, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (54:20.757)
Yes it is.

Milton Allimadi (54:25.481)
It's not a typical corporate outlet because their model now I think is reader supported. That's their model.

Adesoji Iginla (54:30.465)
Medium, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (54:34.314)
Yep, yeah that's the case.

Milton Allimadi (54:36.906)
But even the Guardian fails to mention that because this is something that it doesn't matter, you can mention it in every story related to this issue.

that this puts to rest, you know, once and for all this history that, you Europeans came there to educate or give knowledge to Africans, you see? So mention it. It only takes two or three sentences and you can include it in every article that you write about this issue. Because even though it's obvious, unless you

Adesoji Iginla (55:03.778)
civilized the whole.

Adesoji Iginla (55:08.088)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (55:22.24)
Because Europeans are not used, not only Europeans and other non-Africans, are not used to making the connection of according intelligence to Africans, historical intelligence, you see? So this is one opportunity, so we must not miss it. That this is intellectual production produced by Africans centuries ago.

and

to show you the love and passion they have just for intellectual production, how they preserved it, you see? That's another story right there. That is not, it's obvious, but it's not obvious. You see what I'm saying? And then obviously, yeah, I agree with the suggestion. This should be part of, at least part of it, even if it's not all, should be in that

Adesoji Iginla (56:13.41)
Yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (56:25.149)
you know, Museum of Africa in Addis Ababa, where you have the headquarters of the AU. See? And then finally, it should go on a world tour, right? You have all these ancient Egyptian mementos that go on world tour, they go on loan to all these global museums. There's no reason why you should not do this.

Adesoji Iginla (56:38.552)
Mmm. Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (56:45.57)
Chinese. Chinese.

Milton Allimadi (56:54.899)
this is, we're tens of millions of dollars in revenue for Mali, for the country and to preserve, know, why should you have somebody who's paid every other month or so struggling to preserve something this precious, which has so much value that not only can generate money to preserve it,

but can generate surplus to support the country. You see? So if they're not thinking like that, these are ideas that we are sharing with them. Their ministry of whatever handles this, antiquities or culture or what have you. You know, get the most knowledgeable people, obviously knowledgeable people who know.

Adesoji Iginla (57:27.308)
Mmm. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (57:39.276)
Heritage, the heritage ministry.

Milton Allimadi (57:51.208)
about what these individual manuscripts contain, because you would have to write some descriptions and essays to go with the global tour. If you go on a global tour, you would have to produce brochures, you see? But this is something that in some free extra time, I'm willing to make some other inquiries with Malian officials.

Adesoji Iginla (58:09.602)
Yeah, correct,

Adesoji Iginla (58:20.354)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (58:20.413)
and say, listen, have you contacted the Met? you know, this is money in the bank for you guys. You know?

Adesoji Iginla (58:29.356)
Yeah. The Tate Gallery here. The Tate Gallery. mean, the Louvre in France. You know.

Milton Allimadi (58:36.465)
Absolutely. You know, there you go. So you have it three months here, you're going to have tens of millions of dollars. Have it three months at the other museum there in Europe, tens of millions of dollars, you know. And then you take it back to Addis Ababa, at this modern museum built with the money you are generating through these

Adesoji Iginla (58:52.546)
the Harry man, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (59:00.749)
Museum.

Milton Allimadi (59:05.03)
global tours. You can go on tour for two years. That gives you enough time to build that museum because the money is coming in. You see, after two years you go there. Now people know about this because you've gone on a world tour. They'll start visiting Addis to see it in Addis Ababa or Timbuktu. If you split it, keep some in Timbuktu, keep some in Addis. Five years later, you go on another world tour, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (59:11.161)
Yeah, correct.

Adesoji Iginla (59:25.098)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (59:35.564)
Yeah, you keep the circle. Yeah, you keep the circle moving. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (59:36.165)
You know?

like any famous band. They wait and then they go on another tour,

Adesoji Iginla (59:45.872)
Yeah, correct. You bring out your greatest hits.

Milton Allimadi (59:47.185)
So this thing has tremendous value, really, and I hope they do the right thing.

They should not be lamenting and crying, we have difficulty preserving the because you're not thinking outside the box.

Why are we reading about it in The Guardian? Take it on a world tour. If The Guardian thinks it's worth writing an article about, it means the people around the world who would pay to see it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:07.83)
Don't shoot.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:18.225)
You see?

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:19.224)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:25.329)
So let's help them make it happen with ideas if they were not already thinking of it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:33.174)
I mean, we're talking about it. if the audience do like, share, and subscribe, and people get to hear it, they can hear the good comrades' suggestion of moving this incredible record of history around the world. that's... Of course, I will go and see it. I will go and see it.

Milton Allimadi (01:00:52.683)
I want to see it, you know. I want to see it. So if you brought it here on a tour, easier for me to go see it than to travel to Timbuktu, you see. We're in the same story, by the way. I think they're talking about the infrastructure challenges and all that stuff, you know. Let's think outside the box. That's what we need to do.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:02.84)
to Mali. Yeah. Yeah. And also

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:12.62)
I mean, you get people to, you get people to. Yeah. And you get a double whammy. You get people to pay to see it and people buy the brochure as well. you know, with elegant pictures and what have you being massive, you know, yeah. So that said, we come to our final story for the day and it's from.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:23.32)
Absolutely, of course.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:43.08)
BBC. And it reads, abducted Ugandan student jailed over anti-Mosveni TikTok video. That's the Ugandan university student who mysteriously went missing two months ago after posting a TikTok video that harshly criticized President Yoeyo Mosveni's leadership has been jailed.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:57.357)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:12.074)
Elsie Ntumwine disappeared on 8 June sparking accusations from opposition figures and activists that he had been abducted and illegally detained by military agents. But it reads, he's alleged to have doctored a clip of a parliamentary speaker's response to a general apology Museveni issued in May to the Buganda people, Uganda's largest ethnic group who formed the traditional Buganda condom. Over the

Museven's nearly four decades in power. Relation with the kingdom and its monarch has at time be strained. The kingdom has no political power but remains influential. Tom Wynne TikToks accused the 80 year old president of not apologizing for other things during his time in power. I mean, can you imagine? You're being jailed for that.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:03.316)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:05.654)
Over to you, sir.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:07.392)
Well, you know, it's sad that, and I'm glad that you brought up this article. I hadn't seen it. Obviously, I'm going to go later on online and excoriate the BBC totally. You I think I gave them a good beating with the propaganda in Rwanda when they were trying to ignore that M23 is actually essentially part of Rwanda's regular army.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:33.496)
The Rwandan...

Army. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:38.58)
And I think after one straight week of beating them up, I think I started seeing that it got their attention. I'm going to do the same thing with Uganda. know, first of all, you're saying this guy has been there for 40 years. Why are you referring to him as a president? That's the same thing like, what was that other publication that said Macron wrote to his Cameroon counterpart, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:58.808)
the Dutch Vela with to pop here

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:05.826)
You

Milton Allimadi (01:04:07.721)
Museveni was their Prime Minister against Tamar. Yeah. You know, so they're counterparts, right? You know, one guy you have who is elected can be kicked out at any time by the voters. One guy who you're reading about him torturing a student who criticizes him on TikTok.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:12.737)
Yeah, yes, I'm

Milton Allimadi (01:04:37.738)
Think about that. And you're referring to him as President Moussaveni. See, that's a kind of, you know, they might think it's subtle propaganda, but it's not. You know, that's legitimization right there. You know, at some point, you started referring to Mobutu as dictator. Why? What is the difference between this guy and dictator Mobutu? Why is he not dictator Moussaveni?

right? Because dictator Museveni would send a clear signal. He's torturing a young student who just said this on TikTok, that, yeah, okay, you give a half apology, you have an apology for the genocide in every part of the country. There's been massacres in the East, in the West, in Central, and particularly in the northern part of Uganda.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:08.342)
Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:35.69)
where there's a documentary there, Brilliant Genocide. Anybody can just Google a brilliant genocide and go to YouTube and you'll see that documentary. But for the BBC, it's President of the Seven. So you aid and abet this thing you're writing about. Now you're showing you are, suddenly you are, are you really critical that in fact this student was tortured?

me to apologize, ask for forgiveness, and then still get sentenced to what, three months after already being tortured, right?

and you refer to him as president or servant.

On many levels we can analyze that.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:32.986)
Apologia, you're an apologist for the regime. And it also shows the kind of your perception of Africa and Africans, right? Yeah, this is just a typical thing that happens in some of the African country. It's normal. It's normal because you normalize it. You think Uganda's like that? That a young person can, a student?

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:57.687)
As did, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:02.568)
at the leading university of Macquarie can be arrested and tortured just because they said, oh, by the way, you didn't apologize for so many other things that you've done, which is 100 % correct. And that's normal.

And that goes back to that, it's in Africa after all, it's in Uganda after all.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:26.277)
You may see it that way, but we as Africans don't see it that way and we'll always call you out on it. And some of the points I made right now, I'm going to go back on social media and make the BBC. If they don't get a chance to watch our discussion, they're going to know what I said about them, you know? But it's not surprising. There have been an apology from the 70s for a very long time. Very long time. But if you hit them well,

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:48.204)
you

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:52.578)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:57.094)
consistently, then they back on. So it's important to sometimes preempt them. Hit them even in advance, just like they do with us.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:08.792)
Correct, correct, correct. Yes, so yeah, that said, we've come to the end of this week's episode of African News Review. We hope I've lent so much more. Robbie minds with the good comrade who brings his A game as usual. Hopefully he goes.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:32.827)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:35.096)
It goes a little bit soft on the BBC.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:37.766)
I'm

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:46.828)
The dear old lady is the old, Auntie Beeb is, she is kind of fragile. So the least we want is anybody, know, exerting themselves when it comes to understanding how it's editorial policy works. But.

Milton Allimadi (01:09:03.078)
Right. Now we exposing all of them. We are exposing all of them. We're not going to let them get away anymore.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:08.055)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean, it's the reason why we have this program. It's the framing of stories about Africans should not be allowed to lie because yes, we, I mean, Africa has its flaws. We'll be the first to point them out. But at same time, while we're doing that, we should not accept caricatures and...

Milton Allimadi (01:09:24.261)
Absolutely not.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:36.536)
been maligned in the interest of interests that have not mentored well. Right from...

Milton Allimadi (01:09:42.403)
right. Moussa Benin is a thief, he's a killer, he's a tyrant, he's a dictator, he's invaded neighboring countries, the deaths of millions of Africans. And I always excoriate him for that. But I don't say he does it because he's an African. I don't do that. I don't say this is a typical African situation, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:50.232)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:12.919)
That's where I have issues with institutions like the BBC for racializing, because that then makes it easy for them to cover up for regimes like that by saying, this is after all an African thing. No, it's not an African thing. Nonsense. So you can hit both of them. You can hit Moussa Beni, and you can hit the BBC as well. And you will still be correct, you see.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:42.23)
Yeah. I mean, like you always say, we should not allow them to manufacture consent. And this framing, the way Africans are described often in Western media, is essentially manufacturing consent. If we paint you in the most despicable way possible, we can be allowed to get away with literally murder. So you know.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:46.659)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:07.447)
for.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:10.174)
We will continue to do the work and hopefully you all join us next week. the good comrade, any final thoughts?

Milton Allimadi (01:11:20.544)
I'll do the continua.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:24.316)
And from me until next week, it's good night and God bless.