EP 3 Congo’s Plunder, Kenya’s Organ Trafficking Scandal & Starlink in S.Africa I African News Review 🌍

In this conversation, Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss pressing issues affecting Africa, including kidney trafficking in Kenya, the exploitation of Congo's resources, and the implications of Elon Musk's comments on South Africa's empowerment laws. 

They emphasise the need for accountability, the role of media in exposing scandals, and the importance of African sovereignty in the face of external pressures. 

The discussion also touches on the ongoing conflict in Sudan and the UAE's involvement, highlighting the complexities of international relations in Africa.

Takeaways

*Kidney trafficking is a global issue, not just a Kenyan problem.
*Economic desperation drives organ trafficking in Africa.
*The media plays a crucial role in exposing scandals.
*Congo's resources are being exploited by neighbouring countries.
*The African Union needs a uniform investment policy.
*Elon Musk's comments reflect a misunderstanding of South Africa's laws.
*The UAE's involvement in Sudan raises serious concerns.
*African leaders must be held accountable for their actions.
*The future of Africa depends on proper leadership.
*There is a growing awareness of the need for African sovereignty.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Health Update
03:00 Kidney Trafficking in Kenya
05:58 The Global Context of Organ Trafficking
09:14 Economic Desperation and Organ Trade
11:49 Accountability in Governance
15:03 Media's Role in Exposing Scandals
15:57 Conflict and Resource Exploitation in Congo
21:57 International Relations and Sovereignty
27:49 AU's Response to Regional Conflicts
29:23 Geopolitical Dynamics in Africa
35:10 Elon Musk and South Africa's Economic Policies
48:04 UAE's Role in Sudan's Conflict
55:03 The Future of African Leadership

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:03.202)
Greetings, greetings, and welcome to another news review. I'm your host as usual, Adesuji Iginla. And with me back in the seat, which everyone was looking out to last week, is Brother Milton Alimadi. Welcome back.

Milton Allimadi (00:21.102)
Thank you brother.

Adesoji Iginla (00:24.278)
Yeah, so we're glad to have you back and first things first, how's the health?

Milton Allimadi (00:30.292)
we're doing good. We're back, we're back.

Adesoji Iginla (00:32.376)
Okay. Yeah, we're back staying out of trouble, hopefully. Speaking of trouble, the medical system in Kenya seems to be in some sort of trouble. And that is where we go for our first story brought to us courtesy of the German news arm, Deutsche Welle.

Milton Allimadi (00:38.38)
Yes, sir.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01.567)
It's Reads.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05.57)
Kenya hurts, holds kidney trafficking operation after DWU report. A report by DWU, is Dutch Vela and other German media outlets puts the spotlight on a kidney trafficking operation based in Kenya. Now the government is launching an investigation. And it reads,

Kenya's government confirmed on Thursday it will shut down kidney transplant operations at a clinic that has been in the spotlight for organ trafficking. This announcement came just days after the release of a report by Dutch Vela and German media outlets, Der Spiegel and DZDF, on the MediHill clinic in Kenya. Your initial thoughts before I delve into it?

Milton Allimadi (01:59.71)
Well, it's, don't know why they make it sound like it's a Kenyan phenomenon. Everybody listening or watching our show today, if you are in an African country, you know this, this is a global problem. It's, you the level of economic desperation that our people are experiencing is what would make somebody willing.

Adesoji Iginla (02:07.576)
Mmm

Adesoji Iginla (02:17.996)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (02:25.538)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (02:29.676)
to even engage in something like that. Now there are some cases that are done, of course, unknowingly, you see? Where patients go for some procedure and they're victims of organ theft, right? But there are also many cases of economic desperation where people are now selling organs just to make

Adesoji Iginla (02:32.183)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (02:47.992)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (03:00.305)
ends me, you see? And it's an African crisis and anybody who is maybe an outsider would not be familiar. But I'm willing to offer an exercise for anybody listening right now. Do Tanzania and put Tanzania and organ theft, right? Or organ trafficking or kidney trafficking.

Put Zimbabwe, put Nigeria, put Uganda. Uganda, in fact, has a bigger crisis than Kenya. Put any African country, and then the issue will become starkly clear. I'm not condemning the article. I think the article did a good job in forcing the Kenyans to take action. And of course, what is most likely that's going to be

Adesoji Iginla (03:53.858)
state action.

Milton Allimadi (03:59.773)
exposed is that senior officials in the ministries of health are probably involved in this and profiting from this. But what I say the article has a shortcoming is by making it appear as if this is something shocking that is only happening in Kenya. And that is what is missing in the article.

Adesoji Iginla (04:18.336)
Unique. OK.

Okay, I'll go read a bit further. And it goes on. The report traced the path of organ sellers and buyers, analyzed documents, spoke with whistleblowers and medical practitioners. It uncovered an international network that exploited young Kenyans who were desperate for money, as well as old patients who were desperate for a life-saving kidney. The correspondent in Nairobi, Felix Maringa, that, reported that the Kenyan

government response was swift, starting with the shutting down of the organ transplant operation at the hospital. A new committee, in quote, a new committee had been put in place that will investigate the ethical practices of Mediheal Hospital, the governing system and even client privilege when it comes to donation of kidneys, Maringa said. Two government officials at the ministry had been suspended. The officials were believed to have tampered with a 2023 investigation of the hospital.

Now calls into question the audit process of the medical history that all of a sudden you realize an investigation in 2023 was tampered with in 2025.

What do you think?

Milton Allimadi (05:41.66)
Well, you know, like when you are a bandit or a thief, and then you find out there's an investigation, what do you do? You go back to the scene of the crime and you start, try to wipe out any fingerprints if you forgot, you see, that's what they're doing. They're trying to wipe out the fingerprints. But as I said, the next story you're going to be hearing are the people who are profiting from this, people in the government who are also profiting.

Adesoji Iginla (05:58.296)
You

Adesoji Iginla (06:11.814)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (06:12.323)
and let's see if they take action against them and arrest them. And of course, it's going to be difficult not to because if you go out to the hospital, the hospital knows who in the government was assisting them. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (06:25.858)
True, true, true, true, true, true. That's where it gets really tricky because it means the culpability of the investigators in the investigation itself is called into question.

Milton Allimadi (06:29.989)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (06:40.089)
Absolutely. Either it's going to go forward or it won't. If it doesn't go forward, it means it went as high up as the presidency. But if the president is not involved, then heads will fall.

Adesoji Iginla (06:42.54)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:51.276)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (06:56.17)
OK.

Milton Allimadi (06:57.477)
because it's now become an international scandal when it's published in a major international media network like this.

Adesoji Iginla (07:05.984)
Now, in terms, OK, we're looking at it through contemporary lens, right? So we're looking at a report based on an investigation that was done in Kenya. Could the parallels be drawn that, for some reason, Black lives don't really matter with regards to organ harvesting? Because we, like you said earlier with the numerous cases you enumerated, this is science founded in colonial

eugenics as it were.

Milton Allimadi (07:39.049)
I don't think we have to go that far. mean, look, hundreds of thousands of people are being killed in Sudan right now. What is being done?

Adesoji Iginla (07:41.025)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (07:48.397)
Mm.

Nothing.

Milton Allimadi (07:51.685)
Thousands of people being killed in eastern Congo. know, what is being done? In Maroon, nobody even talks about that genocidal war by the French-backed government against the English-speaking region. Africans going to sell their labor in the Middle East are being enslaved. Women are being raped. Many are being killed and returning home as...

Adesoji Iginla (07:57.464)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (08:00.87)
Milton Allimadi (08:21.731)
in confidence, you see?

So you see on the scale of things, it's clear that of course black lives don't matter. And in fact, that's why it's hard for a story like this to get any media space considering all the other tragedies that are befalling the African people.

Adesoji Iginla (08:43.458)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (08:43.907)
But without a doubt, this I think is a scandal that is bedeviling. Probably, I would be surprised if I'm wrong, if I say every African country. You see? Because there's a demand for it. you know, wealthy people in other parts of the world, if they could even get you to donate your heart, they would be willing to pay you for that, you see?

And mind you, we say this jokingly, but...

I can actually imagine a situation where somebody would be willing to sacrifice their heart if the money was good enough to take care of their family. You see? Think about this. It's not implausible. If young Africans, healthy Africans, are taking the risk of crossing the Mediterranean, knowing that the death rate is very high, but still doing that.

That means they're in a position where whether they live or not is not the number one consideration. So if somebody is to offer them enough money, which could take care of their family for the rest of their lives in exchange for their heart, you don't think that some would be willing to do that?

Adesoji Iginla (10:11.96)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (10:12.32)
And that speaks to how desperate conditions are in many of our countries, unfortunately.

Adesoji Iginla (10:21.016)
So in the reports, I mean, doing some field research, it says the global organ trade is 1.7 billion. Although in a league, yeah, 1.7 billion. So if we put that into context and there is enough incentive for

Milton Allimadi (10:33.633)
Think about that.

Milton Allimadi (10:45.855)
There's nothing sensitive and then combined with what you just said that black lives don't matter. So which means the enforcement against it is not going to be that critical. If the organ theft was coming from the United States and it was coming from European Americans, the reason why it doesn't happen that way is because it would not be, it would not even be tolerated, you see.

Adesoji Iginla (10:49.324)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (11:17.193)
You know?

Adesoji Iginla (11:17.484)
Hmm. Hmm. So what was I saying to you?

Milton Allimadi (11:20.86)
Yeah, I mean, I want people to think about this. I want people to always ask themselves, how have we arrived at this location? And I want them to be angry. And I want them to not think that when you have leaders, when you have a president, when you have a prime minister, when you have a government, that it is a privilege for them to be in that position. No, it is not a privilege.

Adesoji Iginla (11:48.482)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (11:49.327)
It is only a privilege if you don't put fire beneath their feet. Because it means you do not think that they're there to serve you. You see? And that's part of the problem in African countries. There's the mentality that, these are our big people. We should respect them. That's nonsense. They're not big.

They're there to serve you, right? Because everybody cannot be president at the same time. Everybody cannot be a member of parliament at the same time. So you designate people to represent your interest. That's why you vote for somebody to be in parliament. Not for him to be there or her to be there, but for that person whom you vote for to represent the interest of thousands of people.

Adesoji Iginla (12:33.131)
rep.

Milton Allimadi (12:47.13)
each member of parliament, thousand people or tens of thousands of people, right? The president or prime minister likewise, all of you cannot be president to represent your interests. That is why you select one person, you see? And if they're not delivering, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. They to be removed, you see? Until somebody is delivering.

Adesoji Iginla (12:47.213)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (13:00.056)
Sure, sure.

Adesoji Iginla (13:12.311)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (13:17.038)
and you allow them to complete the designated period that the Constitution allows them to operate. And in a country where the Constitution is being abused, you you hold them accountable to that as well. So what I'm saying is that we have to take a step backward and ask ourselves, why are all these things happening in our countries? It's because the people who are supposed to prevent it from happening

are not delivering, right? So let's go to the root of the crisis in all of our countries, and then we can start making a significant difference.

Adesoji Iginla (13:57.88)
OK, so essentially you've taken the question I was going to pose earlier, which is how do you ensure that foreign doctors, often allowed on checked access to Africa's medical health care system, are audited? Because if there was an investigation in 2023 and the government is only now checking them in 2025, that's two years.

of unmitigated medical malpractice. Two years.

Milton Allimadi (14:32.335)
That's only one industry. If something like that is happening in just one industry, what else has been hidden, concealed? You see? And that's where we go to the issue of media as well. Why are we discussing something initiated by DW or what about all the domestic local media? You see? What is going on?

Adesoji Iginla (14:42.072)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (15:03.586)
You know, if our media cannot protect our people.

Adesoji Iginla (15:04.44)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (15:09.452)
What was the use of them? Yep, what was the use of them?

Milton Allimadi (15:09.783)
We have serious, serious problems.

Milton Allimadi (15:14.881)
And now, like you and I, we are having this conversation right now. We're discussing issues that impact different African countries, correct? We do not need a multi-million dollar investment like back in the days of brick and mortar, old school.

Adesoji Iginla (15:26.05)
Correct, yep.

Milton Allimadi (15:38.563)
So I cannot accept the excuse that there are no domestic media people that should be exposing these kinds of scandals, you know?

Milton Allimadi (15:53.037)
And I'm not just specifically talking about Kenya, of course. I'm talking about all our countries. Tell us the stories that need to be told. Part of the problem is sometimes we do not initiate. We wait for what the European highlights as something which is important. And then we run there to report it ourselves as well. Right?

Adesoji Iginla (15:57.12)
across the continent. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (16:17.952)
echo in their words.

Milton Allimadi (16:20.651)
No, we can't operate like that.

Adesoji Iginla (16:22.594)
You

Milton Allimadi (16:24.084)
You know, they should be reporting on something that you expose and then they amplify it, right?

Adesoji Iginla (16:25.172)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (16:32.694)
Yeah, OK, speaking of amplification, we go to East Congo for the next story and a publication we've not gone to yet since we've started here. And it's The Wall Street Journal.

Milton Allimadi (16:35.529)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (16:56.216)
It's titled, While War Rages, Congo's Neighbors Smuggle Out Its Gold and Mineral Wealth. Its lead writes, Vast Country Struggles to Prevent Ken Rwanda and Uganda from Seizing Valuable Assets. And the story is filed in by Nicolas Barrio. And it starts.

Kampala, Uganda. During the 19th century scramble for Africa, European countries raced to secure territory and wealth across the continent. Now African powers are grabbing resources from a neighbor crippled by infighting and ill-equipped to defend itself. Caught in the middle is the Democratic Republic of Congo, a country the size of Western Europe's whose forest conceals a wealth of gold.

diamond and cotton, a key component in smartphones and computers. These mineral riches are turning what was already a region plagued by militia violence into a battleground as Rwanda and its local allies seize cotton supplies while Uganda and its proxies move to take over gold mines to the northeast according to United Nations and Uganda officials. This is something we've talked about with regards to

Milton Allimadi (18:18.182)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (18:18.348)
the seemingly opportunistic, unquote, unquote, rebel activity, as it's often reported in the West, especially led by Rwanda. we all know Uganda also plays a role. Knowing fully well that that's the case, why do you think this story was put out? I mean, let's begin that.

Milton Allimadi (18:46.339)
Okay.

All right, so this is my assessment. I think, of course, the Wall Street Journal is very well connected to the U.S. establishment, right? So the Wall Street Journal...

I personally, my reading of this is that the article was sending a signal to both Rwanda and Uganda, the leadership in those countries, General Kagame in Rwanda and General Museveni in Uganda, by explicitly assuring the theft

of Congo's resources at the expense of the deaths in the short term thousands of people, but in the long term that this war has been going on, millions of Congolese people killed and displaced. And tying this connection very explicitly in the Wall Street Journal and the Wall Street Journal is of course close to the US establishment. In the past,

they would prefer to have a Republican administration. I'm not sure, they're very thrilled right now with the current president and his actions regarding the economy, because they're the Bible of finance, right? But nonetheless, at the end of the day, they would probably prefer him to a Democratic administration. I think that they're sending signals.

Adesoji Iginla (20:17.644)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (20:29.198)
to both Rwanda and Uganda, things are going to change. And subsequently, I think things have begun to change already. With the visit to the region of President Trump's advisor for Africa, who toured the region, I think around the time that this article actually was being prepared.

Adesoji Iginla (20:56.354)
Published.

Milton Allimadi (20:58.253)
So I think they knew of course that he was going to be going to the region. And I think they had an indication that after his visit, things are going to change. So that's my reading of this article, that this kind of genocidal stealing is going to end. And if you look carefully, you have not seen any more headlines by the BBC.

Adesoji Iginla (21:09.345)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (21:18.347)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (21:27.608)
You

Milton Allimadi (21:28.299)
which was cheerleading this invasion. Because I think the original plan was to march all the way to Iva, march all the way to the Congolese capital, or march to such an extent that the military of the Congo would overthrow the government, just out of desperation. I think that's what they had in mind.

Adesoji Iginla (21:33.144)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (21:40.395)
you

Milton Allimadi (21:57.056)
to get rid of Shikedi ultimately. I don't think that is likely now.

Adesoji Iginla (22:03.616)
OK.

Milton Allimadi (22:04.48)
Yeah, so that to me explains the timing of this.

Adesoji Iginla (22:07.702)
OK, so let's read a little bit more of what the Wall Street Journal alleges. It says, the official says, Uganda's President Yoel Moseveni and Rwanda's President Kagame are pouring troops and weapons into Congo, while their Congolese allies, who control strategic border crossings, secure smuggling routes to move more minerals to the global markets. The influx began three years ago when

Congolese president Feliz Tishikedi invited Ugandan troops into Congo to fight an Islamic State allied rebel group based in the woodlands, which woodlands? Straddling the border between the two countries. Uganda's military is considered amongst the most competent in Africa. And at the time Tishikedi thought most vending forces will help him achieve the rapid and robust solution to the region's long running insurgencies.

he promised when he assumed office in 2019. Just read a bit more. Instead, the deployment prompted Rwanda to launch its own 2022 incursion using a once-slippy Congo rebel group known as M23 as a deniable cover and the situation quickly escalated. So it begins to tell us what is happening in terms of movement. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (23:27.333)
No, as I said, this is as explicit as they have been recently. They're saying it as it is, that yes, there is M23, but this was a sleepy outfit, that of course, meaning it could not operate on its own. And Rwanda is using them as a cover, which is what we've been saying.

Adesoji Iginla (23:32.598)
Yes,

Adesoji Iginla (23:40.472)
Mm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (23:50.325)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (23:53.686)
Mm. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (23:55.847)
explicitly for the last several weeks. And I'm glad there's now a convergence. You know, the hypocrisy is now, you know, evaporating, you see?

Adesoji Iginla (24:06.166)
Hmm. Hmm.

So I suppose the question one would ask is, we now know what we know or confirm, our original fears have been confirmed in terms of what is happening on the ground. The question is, there seems to be no movement to change the situation on the ground other than people just speaking to what is going on.

Milton Allimadi (24:34.064)
I think after the visit there have been changes. I think he came back and let's see. Okay. So Trump's advising, right?

He went to Congo. He went to Rwanda. He went to Uganda.

Adesoji Iginla (24:47.831)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (24:57.809)
and he said some very important things. And if you read what he said and you connect them together, then you know what he said in each capital. Because he came back and he said,

Adesoji Iginla (25:07.649)
You

Yep.

Milton Allimadi (25:15.397)
M23 had seized, I think, a town called Wachilelo or something like that.

Adesoji Iginla (25:23.02)
Yeah, we'll kill you and look higher.

Milton Allimadi (25:25.553)
And as a result...

a North American company shut down its operations. And the price of tin went up by 30%.

Adesoji Iginla (25:36.417)
Ooh.

Adesoji Iginla (25:40.31)
Who?

Milton Allimadi (25:44.008)
and that was not good. And M23 subsequently has now withdrawn.

Adesoji Iginla (25:45.599)
inconvenience in the imperialist.

Milton Allimadi (25:55.043)
and the price over 10 is now coming back to its average, right? And he said, which is very good for American business. And he said, there going to be more American businesses operating in the Congo. And for us to escalate our operation in the Congo, we need infrastructure.

Adesoji Iginla (25:59.767)
stabilized.

Milton Allimadi (26:23.781)
We are already supporting the Lobito and now we are going to build more infrastructure in the Congo, which would be good for the Congolese and for American investments.

Adesoji Iginla (26:35.852)
Wow, okay.

Milton Allimadi (26:37.811)
And Rwanda needs to withdraw from the Congo. He said that explicitly. And M23 needs to withdraw. And Rwanda needs to stop exporting M23.

And I went to, we met with Kagame, it was a good meeting. And I told him that every country in the region needs to have their sovereignty respected. You see? So that's very key word. And you cannot be occupying somebody's country and respecting their sovereignty at the same time, you see? And then from there I went to Uganda. So it's clear

Adesoji Iginla (27:09.537)
You

Sovereignty respect.

Adesoji Iginla (27:19.553)
Mm, mm.

Milton Allimadi (27:24.793)
that he told both Museven and Kagame that they need to get out of Rwanda. You see? And then he also said in terms of

Adesoji Iginla (27:34.178)
Congo.

Milton Allimadi (27:41.061)
Congo trying to ally with China.

Milton Allimadi (27:49.071)
we're going to see who ends up being the best partner for the Congo and the most reliable partner. And let me tell you, it's going to be the United States. So if you connect all these words, it's very clear that they've made a decision to move ahead with the mineral deal with the Congo. And they've made it clear that they don't want Rwanda's army and Uganda's army to be interfering.

with their operations in the Congo. So I think in the next, you know, in the coming days, we'll see some of this in the media coverage going forward. And I know this is of course a disappointment to the BBC, but there you go.

Adesoji Iginla (28:35.426)
So for the outsiders looking in, I'm going to ask a funny question, which I do have the answer to, but I want you to speak to. Why is it that none of the AU countries have stepped in and effectively decide, you know what, this is untenable?

Milton Allimadi (28:46.581)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (28:57.781)
Well, I'm glad you asked the question because he said, you know, I want to commend the AU for their efforts. They tried their best is what he said. You see? So he was anticipating, you know, journalists like you asking questions. You know, he said they tried their best. The SADC also, they tried their best. The EAC countries, they also tried.

Adesoji Iginla (29:11.224)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:16.523)
You

Adesoji Iginla (29:23.01)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (29:27.079)
their best.

Adesoji Iginla (29:30.2)
Because the reason I put that...

Milton Allimadi (29:30.364)
But at the same time, it means, it can only mean that there's going to be something different that is going to be trying.

Adesoji Iginla (29:42.626)
such as

Milton Allimadi (29:43.97)
I have no idea. Let's wait and see what he says. But I think, well, there two ways of doing it.

Adesoji Iginla (29:45.656)
Well.

Mm.

Milton Allimadi (29:55.428)
I mean, if you tell Rwanda to withdraw, of course they're going to withdraw. Rwanda cannot confront the United States. That's very clear. You tell Moussaoui to withdraw, he's going to withdraw.

Adesoji Iginla (30:03.448)
True. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (30:09.594)
They cannot confront the United States. They just can't, you see? So now, are you saying that based on these matching orders alone, then there's going to be, you know, security and that's it? Maybe that's a level of confidence they have.

Adesoji Iginla (30:13.217)
Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (30:31.812)
Unless...

you're going to expand your military presence in the region.

which is of course, you know, the other alternative. And then of course, don't forget these guys, they like using drones too. They like using drones. They've been using it a lot in Somalia. Might that be a third alternative as well? But it seems to me that they've made it clear that they are going to have expanded business interest in the Congo.

Adesoji Iginla (31:11.576)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (31:12.474)
And obviously, they would not want that to be disrupted. And he gave one example of how M23 disrupted the production of TID.

you know, and said now that they withdrew, he said that was a good thing.

Adesoji Iginla (31:27.426)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (31:31.772)
So I can't imagine it reversing and M23 starting to occupy other location after this visit and after he's already said that was a good thing for them to withdraw. So I think the balance has shifted dramatically compared to just a few weeks ago.

Adesoji Iginla (31:56.456)
Okay, okay. And you know,

Milton Allimadi (31:58.137)
When the BBC, I think even the Economist, interviewed, I forget the guy's name, the M23 guy, in some hotel, you know, in Goma, and we were talking about the tone of this interview, you know, while people are being killed, you know, like, you know, treating this guy literally like one of their friends. I doubt we will be seeing those kind of interviews in the near future.

Adesoji Iginla (32:15.832)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (32:25.302)
And OK, I mean, listen, that interview was borderline insensitive and totally uncalled for. It was simply like, you know, what?

Milton Allimadi (32:32.193)
Absolutely. Absolutely. But that was still with the belief that these guys might actually go all the way. I think that's the song that the usual suspect media were entertaining at that time.

Adesoji Iginla (32:50.552)
So it's quite uncomfortable that Congo itself, going into its history, especially in light of Patrice Lumumba, is seeking safety in the embrace of the United States. It's mind boggles, but you know.

Milton Allimadi (33:07.596)
Absolutely.

Milton Allimadi (33:12.181)
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I agree with you totally, you know.

Milton Allimadi (33:22.339)
So it's very ironic that Uganda and Rwanda, Museveni and Kagame, they have become the new King Leopold, right?

Adesoji Iginla (33:36.792)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (33:38.239)
And Kroger now has to run to another imperialist power.

Adesoji Iginla (33:39.798)
African meal bowls.

Milton Allimadi (33:46.781)
And I guess you could equate it this way. Remember when Congo was a private estate of King Leopold II of the Belgians?

Adesoji Iginla (33:56.344)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (33:59.173)
and he was so genocidal and homicidal in his administration that they took the triad tree away from him and made it an official column.

of the Belgian state. So I guess you could draw an analogy today and say Museveni and Kagame's

Adesoji Iginla (34:18.902)
Roger.

Milton Allimadi (34:28.127)
genocidal war against the people of the Congo have been so terrible that their solution is to take it away from Museveni and Kagame and give it to Donald Trump.

Milton Allimadi (34:46.597)
you see. So history is repeating itself. Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (34:47.618)
That wasn't hard.

Adesoji Iginla (34:55.298)
God. Well, speaking of history repeating itself or might not repeat itself, we go to South Africa for the next news which comes from the BBC and it reads.

Your president's right-hand man is in the news. So it's Elon Musk. BBC writes, racially charged row between Musk and South Africa over Starlink. And it reads, the tussle between Starlink's boss, Elon Musk, and South Africa over the company's failure to launch in the country stems from the nation's black empowerment laws and could be one factor behind the diplomatic row.

Milton Allimadi (35:14.216)
and

Adesoji Iginla (35:39.574)
between the US and Africa's most industrialized nation. To his more than 290 million followers on the social media platform X, Mr. Mokz made the racially charged claim that his satellite internet service provider was not allowed to operate in South Africa simply because I am not black. But the Independent Commission Authority of South Africa, NKASA, a regulatory body in the telecommunications and broadcasting sector, told the BBC that Starlink had never

submitted an application for reliance. As for the foreign ministry, it said the company was welcome to operate in the country provided there is compliance with local laws. Your initial take on what's

his or what his claim is. The fact that he was not offsetting huge.

Milton Allimadi (36:35.056)
No, mean these are meal apartheid is what he wants to impose in South Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (36:41.484)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (36:46.353)
That's no secret. He wants to impose neopatite. He opposes the black economic empowerment. He has already, he's always opposed that, And black economic empowerment means if you're going to invest, you have to be in partnership with South Africans. So what he's saying is that I don't want to work with black people. I just want their money.

You know, that's what he's saying. You know, it's really disgusting when a European who has profited from the blood of Africans, you know, plays the race card. Right?

Adesoji Iginla (37:19.576)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (37:36.152)
I mean, we see the same thing playing out in the United States. This false outrage and reversed victimhood. You know, so...

Milton Allimadi (37:44.258)
Right, it's just diversion, you know, it's a diversion. Remember I told you that story when I was a kid? Remember I told you that? When I was a kid, I went to my mother's family's village and one day, you know, I'm here, you know how they chase thieves, right?

Adesoji Iginla (37:49.122)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (38:07.074)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (38:08.08)
So this guy's running, the guy was fast man, the guy could have been a professional athlete. And now whole community chasing behind him, right? And yelling, thief, thief, catch him, catch him, thief.

And I just entered the road and he's coming like straight toward me and other people who had come to see. And the guy who's running, he's pointing ahead also and yelling, thief, thief, thief. So some people joined him and started chasing a phantom thief ahead when he was the one who was the thief. That's exactly what this guy has been doing. The guy is a

Adesoji Iginla (38:45.762)
somebody else.

Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (38:56.459)
racist and he accuses Africans of being racist,

Milton Allimadi (39:05.805)
You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, but you know what?

Milton Allimadi (39:12.533)
In a way, because I am like Sankara in my convictions, when you discuss an issue or problem, you have to look at the solution, right? The solution can only come from us.

Was it a step in the right direction for the ANC to go in bed?

with the DA party? Of course not. That was a total betrayal. But when you do something like that, they're going to pile on you. And that's exactly what they're doing. I think that piling on is going to become unsustainable. I am willing to be the first to say that the alliance between the ANC and the DA

is either a matter of weeks or a matter of months.

before it is drawn.

Adesoji Iginla (40:14.85)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (40:17.834)
There's some things worth fighting for, right? Look at what happened here.

Adesoji Iginla (40:22.36)
And this is not one of them.

Milton Allimadi (40:25.65)
Absolutely, they have to resist them. Otherwise, they're finished. They're South Africans. Look at what happened here. When President Trump went after Columbia University, they rolled under the bed and it kept piling the demands, correct? Went to Harvard. Harvard was beginning to hide under the bed as well. And then he made these demands that nobody can accept.

Adesoji Iginla (40:44.246)
Yep, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (40:52.184)
but then just realized.

Milton Allimadi (40:54.878)
And that's when Harvard drew the line. So you know what? Let's get it on. We're going to fight.

That's what Colombia should have done. And now because of the position that Harvard has taken, more universities are even taking that position or joining an alliance with other universities to resist collectively. You see? So I'm hoping South Africa does not yield otherwise. This would be the end of the ANC.

and DA alliance. But on the other hand, I mean, obviously it's the alliance that I don't think would lead them anywhere. But at the same time, I don't want it to come also at the expense of this racist, you know, that kind of market clout in South Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (41:43.736)
True, true.

Adesoji Iginla (41:58.744)
I'll just take a bit more from this news article and it goes on to say, so the question now, what are the legal sticking points? To operate in South Africa, Stalin needs to obtain network and service licenses, which requires 30 % ownership by historically disadvantaged groups. This mainly refers to South Africa's majority black population, which was shot out of the economy during the racist systems of apartheid.

white minority rule ended in 1994 after Nelson Mandela and his ANC, National African National Congress came to power. Since then, the ANC has made black empowerment a central pillar of its economic policy in an attempt to tackle racial injustices of the past. So it just goes to show that this character is just seeking to undermine the very fabric of what would put the country on a better standing footing.

And what you know it's the mind boggles that it is that very thing that you expect to be bent for you.

You know this, and this kind of ownership is not unique to South Africa. The United Arab Emirates in the Middle East, you can't have a wholly business owned 100%. You have to go into partnership with the local.

So why is this a sticking point in Africa?

Milton Allimadi (43:33.242)
Now because he thinks the governments are weak and it's ironic, this is it. So they, you know, in the past they've condemned the black empowerment programs. So this just promotes cronyism and corruption, right? Now you want to...

Adesoji Iginla (43:37.688)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (43:55.724)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (43:59.098)
defy the laws of investment in that country and you're telling me that's not corruption and cronyism and in any case what was more corrupt than having the apartheid system in South Africa you know they'll say anything just to legitimate and justify continued exploitation

Adesoji Iginla (44:25.804)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (44:26.895)
And that's unacceptable.

Adesoji Iginla (44:34.008)
I mean, it's the fact that you have the president meeting with him thereafter when the laws of the land has been called into question. I don't care how rich you are. You don't get to tell the country how things run. The laws are the laws. And if the laws have been there before you arrived, we shouldn't have to bend for you. You know.

If you value your investment and you want to invest in the market then you play by the rules. The laws are there for a reason.

Milton Allimadi (45:09.11)
Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (45:10.486)
You

So I don't know if you have anything else to add before we go to our last piece for this week.

Milton Allimadi (45:20.553)
No, I think the sound thing is out.

the AU does not have a uniform investment policy. Otherwise, we would not even be having this conversation.

they need to have a uniform investment policy when it comes to some industries like technology like this. Because what he's going to do, which he's already doing, is going to go to other African countries and twist their arms and he's going to get deals for a satellite company. And then if he ends up getting it in 40,

Adesoji Iginla (45:47.382)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (46:05.291)
out of the 54 countries, you know, your mission accomplished. And that should not be allowed to happen if you had a uniform African Union investment policy, you see. It goes back to what I said in the beginning.

Adesoji Iginla (46:09.656)
And then isolate.

Milton Allimadi (46:23.839)
If our leaders are acting like they're our enemies, why should we allow them to be in leadership?

Adesoji Iginla (46:33.6)
Good question. question. Good question. Good question. Speaking of...

Milton Allimadi (46:34.1)
We should not. We should not. They have no right. They have no right to make us suffer. Let's put it this way.

Adesoji Iginla (46:46.968)
I mean, in some cases, we have no say in the matter, because if they've come to power through the gun and the bullet, they're causing to question what other means of reproach do we have. We don't basically, we're powerless. And most African countries have this thing about, you know,

Milton Allimadi (46:50.688)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (46:54.976)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (47:13.317)
not wanting to upset the apocards before because to do so would

Milton Allimadi (47:18.73)
But our domestic citizens, they can take action. Our citizens can take action. mean, Kenya, the youth showed in Kenya that the government is only as strong as you allow it to be and as weak as you allow it to be as well.

Adesoji Iginla (47:35.64)
Speaking of weak countries, weak governments at the moment, we go for our final story to The Guardian and it's from Sudan. And it's based on a UN report that says, leaked UN expert report raised fresh concerns over UAE's role in Sudan's war as crucial

London Peace Talk sets to begin. Reports seen by The Guardian raises questions over multiple flights into bases in Chad. Pressure is mounting on the United Arab Emirates over its presence as a crucial conference in London aimed at stopping the war in Sudan. After a leaked confidential UN report raised fresh questions over the UN's UAE's role in the devastating conflict, the UAE has been accused of secretly supplying weapons.

Sudanese paramilitaries via neighboring Chad, a charge it steadfastly denied. However, an internal report marked highly confidential and seen by the Guardian detected multiple flights from the UAE in which transport planes made apparent deliberate attempts to avoid detection as they flew into bases in Chad where arms smuggling across the border into Sudan had been monitored. This allegation raised complications.

for the British Foreign Secretary David Lammy, who controversially invited the UAE alongside 19 other states for the Sudan peace talks at Lancaster House on 15th of April. The date marks the second anniversary of a civil war that has caused the world's biggest humanitarian crisis, displacing more than 12 million people. So what do you think?

Milton Allimadi (49:27.38)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (49:29.974)
Hmm. Of... I mean, we've... In some previous episodes, we've highlighted the fact that they evolved. But the fact that the UN now is saying categorically, putting them in the dark, what do you think should happen?

Milton Allimadi (49:49.941)
I think at the end of the day it will also depend on and I like the fact that the meeting is being held in in London right.

And at least for now.

there's a good relation between the UK government and the US, right? And you know how it goes. It's a very personal thing.

You know, so Trump still does not see the UK as enemies, right? Which means if the UK puts some pressure, the US will probably go along with that.

Adesoji Iginla (50:32.726)
yet.

Milton Allimadi (50:45.021)
see, because the UAE, also, because of the business potential and all that investment potential, they also have a direct link to Trump, right?

Adesoji Iginla (51:02.764)
Yeah, correct.

Milton Allimadi (51:04.839)
But if the UK is able to convince him.

that this war needs to stop.

And they're not going to deny you.

personal business opportunities, Mr. President, right? There's no way the UAE is going to stand up against Trump, If he has personal business interests in the region and wants more, Just because they tell him, listen, stop supporting the RSF.

So I think for that reason, things may change now that the UK seems to have taken a direct interest and putting its sort of reputation at stake by becoming that directly involved in the peace negotiation process. I think that's what was missing. So long as the talks were taking place in Nairobi,

Adesoji Iginla (51:47.799)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (52:14.896)
which of course is where it should be taking place. But the outside world was not taking that seriously. Just like the outside world was not taking seriously.

Milton Allimadi (52:28.94)
Because sadly, when Africans don't take their institutions seriously, why should the outside world take it seriously?

Adesoji Iginla (52:38.712)
True, true.

Milton Allimadi (52:39.536)
So you had Sadak involved in Eastern Congo. Kagame was just brushing them aside, right? You have the East African community involved. These are just fellow Africans, Kagame sweeping them aside.

African Union try more fellow Africans. Now you have the US president sending his representative. Suddenly M23 is now withdrawing.

You see? I mean, I hate to say it that way, but those are the facts. You can't deny it. So what I'm saying is now that the meeting for the peace negotiations in Sudan is being held in London, maybe they'll not say, these are just a bunch of fellow Africans. my brother, we live in very...

Adesoji Iginla (53:16.545)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (53:45.442)
E-

Milton Allimadi (53:46.195)
very sad statement on affairs in Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (53:50.06)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Nkrumah once said that we have to remember that these people have not left. They're basically outside the window. And it's funny that some of us inside will be the ones handing the house china to them. So the likes of Musaveni and Kagame are living testimony to what was predicted.

Milton Allimadi (54:19.233)
Absolutely. And look at it, we know another point.

The African Union had a peace plan to end the NATO war on Libya. Right?

Adesoji Iginla (54:27.0)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (54:38.712)
NATO, the United States, now it was their turn to say, oh, these are a bunch of Africans. So if we Africans keep saying, oh, these are a bunch of Africans, you should not be surprised if Europeans who have been saying it for a long time continue saying it as well. So at the end of the day, it's still on you.

Adesoji Iginla (54:46.443)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (55:03.106)
So, I mean, again, I hate us to end on a sad note, but the thing that most...

Milton Allimadi (55:10.377)
No, it's not a sad note. It's actually a very constructive and positive note. We as Africans must not tolerate so-called African leaders who undermine our potential. The good thing is they are not representative of Africa. I know there are many Africans that have a different vision. This has been proven many times. Nkrumah, Lumumba, Bode Bokeita,

Adesoji Iginla (55:17.357)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (55:40.257)
Thomas Sankara, Steve Biko, Robert Subukwe, Nyerere, Mandela, Gamal Nassar. So many. So we should not use these guys as the measure of what Africa could or should be. We should see them as the obstacles. And we should make sure we replace them with some of the people that I just named. And there many more. Some are on my shell, Agostino Neto.

Adesoji Iginla (55:56.736)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (56:02.424)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (56:10.241)
the earlier version of Bugabe, you know, so many.

Adesoji Iginla (56:15.416)
Yeah, thank you for that uplifting end bit as opposed to the prior. And so, ladies and gentlemen, those listening and watching, we've come to the end of another news review. I have to thank my comrade again for bringing his A game as usual. And until next week, comrade.

Milton Allimadi (56:20.757)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (56:39.807)
Thank you, sir.

Milton Allimadi (56:45.173)
Aluta continua. And look at it this way.

Milton Allimadi (56:51.155)
You have to read history. The more history you read, the more you'll see that as Africans, we need to remain confident and upbeat. Of course, the tragedies that we see are very disheartening, but also know that there's the long game and the long game, it is our time. You know, it is the African century.

will emerge. And history has always been like that. Britain had its day. The United States had its day. China is having its day. At the end of the day, all of them benefiting from Africa's resources.

Adesoji Iginla (57:22.89)
as this. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (57:37.162)
Africa. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (57:38.673)
Eventually, we will have the correct type of leaders that will allow us to use our resources for the first time in Africa's interests. That will happen. It's just a question of time, but it will happen. They cannot make the minerals, the resources disappear and the talented Africans, we just have to keep striving to have the proper leadership that nothing will stop us. So yes.

I'm happy to be back and see you next week.

Adesoji Iginla (58:12.204)
Yes and yes and see you all next week. you for listening and again don't forget to like, share and subscribe and each one bring one as we normally say. Thank you all for listening and good night for now.