EP 6 African News Review I Adesoji Speaks Knowledge 🌍

In this conversation, Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss various news stories related to Africa. They critique the Western media's portrayal of African events and highlight the need for alternative perspectives. 
They analyzed the recent coup attempt in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and the involvement of foreign powers in the region. 
They also discuss Senegal's Prime Minister's call to revisit the presence of French military bases in the country and the broader trend of challenging neocolonial influence in Africa. 
The conversation emphasizes the importance of journalism that is fair, true to the facts, and challenges the status quo. 
In this conversation, the principal themes also discussed include the political situation in Haiti, the deployment of Kenyan troops to Haiti, media reporting on the Sahel region, and the ICC's case against Israel and Hamas. 
The conversation then touched on the importance of independent journalism and the need for accountability for war crimes. 
They also highlighted the influence of Western powers and the role of money in shaping political decisions. 
The hypocrisy of Western media and the need for a more balanced and informed perspective was also tabled.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Critique of Western Media
01:49 Analysis of the Coup Attempt in the DRC
08:03 The Biden Administration's Sanctions and Mining Interests
23:23 Challenges in Cameroon and the Need for Critical Journalism
35:12 Kenyan Lawyers Challenge Deployment of Police to Haiti
37:51 The Deployment of Kenyan Troops to Haiti
46:49 Media Reporting on the Sahel Region
58:29 The ICC's Case Against Israel and Hamas
01:02:41 The Importance of Independent Journalism
01:06:08 The Influence of Western Powers and Money in Politics
01:08:36 The Need for a Balanced and Informed Perspective

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.742)
Good day, good evening, wherever you're joining us from. And welcome again to African News Review. And my name is Adesarji Ginla. Welcome to Adesarji Speaks. As always, I have an important guest with me. The man is a man of many parts, many skill sets. He's the publisher of Black Star News. He is a social commentator.

A history major, and when he's not busy with his day chores, he goes around exploring and renaming things. He is none other than brother, comrade Milton Allimadi. Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (00:50.072)
Thank you as always, Ndugu. Thank you so much for hosting me again.

Adesoji Iginla (00:54.67)
Okay, yes. Again, welcome to the channel. Here we do a review of African news or news pertaining to Africans both on the continent and the diaspora in the Western media. We're giving it a look based on the fact that we know they would not be true to the nature of their storytelling.

So it's incumbent on us to help reframe the narrative and gain a better understanding of what it is the press has in store for us. So without further ado, I would take us to the first story. The audience will be aware that in the course of the week, there was a coup d 'etat. well.

It's not really a coup d 'etat, but it's a coup d 'etat as the press would announce it. And so Brother Milton, what is your initial assessment of what, when you heard the coup happening in Congo?

Milton Allimadi (02:00.408)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (02:13.208)
I didn't take it seriously and I didn't think the Congolese took it seriously either. Yeah, because I mean the Congo's only serious threat right now comes from the war of aggression.

Adesoji Iginla (02:27.662)
from the M283. Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (02:29.176)
East 23 Eastern Congo where the city of Goma is besieged, literally. But in my own estimation, I don't think the African Union or the U .S. And, you know, obviously it's sad that the United States has so much influence. I don't think the United States would also allow Kagame, Rwanda's president.

Paul Kagame to succeed in taking Goma, holding Goma and disrupting our production. The only reason why the US has not dealt much more decisively in trying to corral or tame its puppet in Rwanda.

Adesoji Iginla (03:27.502)
there. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (03:27.576)
for Kagame is because much of the production of cobalt is in the southeastern part of the country, you know, called Louizi. You know, toward there, what used to be called the Katanga region, you know, going into parts of Tanzania, going to parts of Zambia. So that's why the U .S. has not been that...

Adesoji Iginla (03:48.704)
It's in the region, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (03:56.792)
serious, but to understand how unserious the so -called coup attempt was, first of all, in order to have to try coup d 'etat, you have to have a following within elements of the military itself, or be a part of the military. You know, this is a guy who has dabbled in politics in Congo, Malaga, and then at some point,

moved to the United States, has lived here for a long time, and has a party which flies the old flag of Zaire. That's the flag that he recognizes, and he wants to take the country back to the era of Zaire. So this guy, I don't know whether, he just woke up from comatose last week.

Adesoji Iginla (04:44.334)
1974.

Milton Allimadi (04:53.24)
and has been sleeping since 1997 when Mobutu was overthrown. So I don't even know the details, but there's a video they shot on the grounds of the presidential palace. Maybe, I don't know if that's the residence where the president Tisha Kede also lives.

Adesoji Iginla (04:59.758)
and the name reverted back to...

Adesoji Iginla (05:16.238)
That was the opposition leader's space.

Milton Allimadi (05:20.792)
Okay, very good. So they shot that video and they streamed it live. What kind of coup attempt is that? How unserious could they be? So not surprisingly, he was killed, Malanga, and his associates captured, including his son, some American citizens apparently, some Israeli citizens, but it did not seem like a well -trained, serious force.

And also, the statement by the United States shows you how the Michael Morissette story that appeared last week that would explain how vested the United States is in the current Congolese government of Felix Chiquetti. It was a story in the New York Times. I think it was on the 16th.

Adesoji Iginla (06:11.054)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (06:20.216)
And it's about how the Biden administration is trying to ease sanctions on an Israeli billionaire, Dan Götler.

Adesoji Iginla (06:31.182)
Go check.

Milton Allimadi (06:33.336)
who had bright Congolese officials when Kabila was president, Yusuf Kabila.

and had cheated Congolese out of a billion dollars in royalties from their mining production.

Adesoji Iginla (06:49.454)
Milton Allimadi (06:52.168)
And the US, ironically, under Trump, imposed sanctions on Gatlin. But now the Biden administration is...

Adesoji Iginla (07:06.702)
seeking to lift the states.

Milton Allimadi (07:07.384)
offering a deal to remove the sanctions on this Israeli individual.

And that article said President Tisha Kede also wrote to the US administration asking for the sanctions against Gadla to be lifted.

for a number of reasons. Number one, they say so long as that, and obviously I think the US probably told him to write the letter. So long as the sanctions are still on Gardner, he is unwilling to yield his equity stake in three major Congolese, Cobalt, and copper mining companies. They're producing Congo, but they're not Congolese -owned, actually. Two of them,

Adesoji Iginla (07:45.038)
Stay in place.

Milton Allimadi (08:03.16)
owned by Glencore, the notorious firm based in Switzerland. One is owned, check this, by the government of Kazakhstan. Although I don't know who the shareholders are, right? So in return for lifting the sanctions,

And why do they want the sanctions lifted? They say so long as there are sanctions being imposed, other investors from the United States are reluctant to invest in the cobalt and copper industry in Congo. So they would lift the sanctions and they would allow him to cash out to sell his equity stake.

Adesoji Iginla (08:24.398)
lifted.

Milton Allimadi (08:50.872)
That's not said yet. But human rights officials are saying, why should he be allowed to cash out if he was bribing Congolese officials? And these are ill -gotten gains. Why should he profit even more? And even though the sanctions have been imposed since the Trump era, he's still been allowed to be paid royalties from his equity stake.

Adesoji Iginla (09:18.382)
from mining operations.

Milton Allimadi (09:19.896)
and it comes to $110 million a year. So I don't know what kind of sanctions these are. I guess the sanctions mean he gets $110 million instead of getting maybe $500 million or a billion a year, right? But.

Adesoji Iginla (09:34.478)
Wow.

Milton Allimadi (09:38.232)
The fact that the Biden administration is working together with Chiquiti.

for this kind of a deal, in other words, to aid and abate corruption in Congo. Show you how vested they are in this administration. They're not going to allow somebody called Malanga to come in and disrupt what's going on. Yeah, so that's why if people know the other elements of what's going on, they would see how unserious this story is. And obviously, when you just read the headline on CNN,

Adesoji Iginla (09:57.55)
to come in and smell a good thing.

Milton Allimadi (10:13.976)
You don't get that perspective. The New York Times, of course, knew it's not a very serious story because they did the other story about the cobalt and copper that I just explained.

Adesoji Iginla (10:16.782)
Yeah, I'm

Adesoji Iginla (10:25.87)
Yeah. I mean, the, the thing about also the Western media is most of our new stories are carefully curated, giving you enough of nothing for you, you know, just to fill the headlines, you know, a couple of lines, even reading through some of the story, some of the long reads, there's still nothing in there because if you're not versed with what has gone before your

Milton Allimadi (10:38.968)
Absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (10:55.534)
you're likely to come away from it thinking, it's just a normal run of the mill African stories where, you know, one corrupt dictator is just there and he's not been able to get his courts. That's why somebody else came in. I mean, the notion that some, a couple of weekend soldiers were coming from the United States wanting to play with toy guns. And obviously, you know, in the United States, you shoot at stable targets.

And all of a sudden you think you can handle a gun and then you get onto the African scene.

Milton Allimadi (11:29.72)
Yeah, and his planning was he lived in the US for a while, and then I don't know what year it was, he went back to the Congo and joined the military in the Congo for about a year. So I think he was just practicing for his fantasy this past weekend.

Adesoji Iginla (11:49.326)
But well, he got his wish fulfilled. So, I mean, he went out in a blaze of glory.

Milton Allimadi (11:51.832)
Yes, yeah, unfortunately. Absolutely. If that's what he had imagined, you know, you really did get it, you know? Yeah. But talk about, you know, corporate media. I generally read very few. I read The Guardian and I read Aldo Zira, you know. The others, I look at the headlines. If it's an in -depth report, like the New York

Adesoji Iginla (12:10.382)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (12:21.4)
time story on the deal to lift the sanctions of Gardner. I would read that because it would have a lot of details and even if some of the interpretation are incorrect, you can make your own analysis.

Adesoji Iginla (12:39.726)
So what you're saying is you disregard your friends at NYT.

Milton Allimadi (12:50.104)
No, you know, actually, I've always, as you know, a couple of years ago, you know, when I had more time, I used to do a weekly workshop called Guerrilla Journalism. And I used to go to Bed -Stuy. It's very interesting. You would be surprised at how many people want to deconstruct and analyze and understand the propaganda. There was, you know, you remember, Gil Noble.

with this show like it is. So I used to be a regular guest on Like It Is. And then one day I said, you know, Gil, I like to give back to people at the grassroots. And I put this out as a challenge to all of us, Africana people, whatever profession you are in, give something back. So what I would like to do is to go to the community.

and teach some of the journalistic skills of acquired, including how to deconstruct what corporate media say. And then I get a call from a brother like the following week and says, listen, I have a little bookstore. It's a very interesting brother. In...

for a certain number of hours, the space was a bookstore. And then in the evening for a certain number of hours, it was a barber shop, right?

So he said, you know, perfect. He said, you know, so would you be willing to come and start this program that you discussed on Gil Nobles show? I said, sure. He said, how about maybe 10 days from now? Let me put out some flyers and promote it. I said, sure. So I come down, the first time I walk in. So I said, wait.

Adesoji Iginla (14:26.254)
a proper gorilla scenario.

Milton Allimadi (14:54.584)
who are all these people here for? And the brother comes to me and said, they're all here for you, brother. There were more than 40 people waiting for this workshop, man. And that's how serious people are, to really learn. And I did this workshop for like four years. And then, you know, I trained some of them. I said, you know, now you can continue.

Adesoji Iginla (15:04.426)
my God.

Milton Allimadi (15:23.608)
the process. But I understand that a few of them are becoming lazy. So I may have to revive it, you know, again.

Adesoji Iginla (15:31.758)
I mean, we now have a virtual platform. You could, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (15:36.088)
Absolutely. In those days, it was physical. You had to pick yourself up and go to bedside, you know, which I wouldn't mind doing occasionally. You could mix it up a little bit. Sometimes it's good to be there in the flesh. But now you're correct. With the virtual space, you can have a wider reach now. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (15:49.198)
physical locations. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (15:55.694)
Yeah. Yeah. And the more, the more you, what's it called? The more you advertise it, the more it grows. And then, cause I think, yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot muscle.

Milton Allimadi (16:05.528)
Right. And there's a need for it. Believe me, there's a need for it.

People know they're being duped, but sometimes they're not equipped to deconstruct the duping.

Adesoji Iginla (16:17.454)
Yeah, and then they go down the line of conspiracy theories, which then defeats the aim of getting the full understanding in itself. Yeah. So again, in the same week, Senegal's Prime Minister, Osman Sonko, made a statement, statement being that it's high time that the Senegalese

Milton Allimadi (16:21.144)
Exactly.

Milton Allimadi (16:25.432)
Correct. Yeah, you become just like them, right?

Adesoji Iginla (16:46.83)
revisit the notion of having French military bases on Senegalese soil. I mean that will be in tandem with his Sahel neighbors of Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso and Guinea. But what is particularly interesting about his situation is the fact that Senegal actually has the oldest

Milton Allimadi (16:51.128)
Correct.

Adesoji Iginla (17:16.718)
French military base in Africa in a place called Tirolue. And so the notion that he is now talking to them directly to come and move is truly groundbreaking. And so what are your thoughts with regards to this?

Milton Allimadi (17:40.728)
Well, I mean the timing is perfect, of course, but you know, they've been talking about this even over the last couple of years before they ultimately ran for power and they won. Of course, the Prime Minister, you know, Osman, had he not been barred, Osman Soganko, he would be the president today.

Adesoji Iginla (17:47.182)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (18:07.95)
precedent. Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (18:10.104)
So it was what his supporters say was a concocted legal case against him, which then led to his being barred from running for the presidency and being imprisoned. And his ally as well, Fayet, who of course is the president today, was also locked up in prison. But since Fayet was not banned from running,

when the elections were allowed, elections at Maki Salah tried to block and extend, but the Senegalese are very well organized when it comes to civil society. And the institutions are still respected and the elders, religious leaders are respected. So they denounced President Maki Salah and he backed.

down and allowed the elections. They were delayed, but they were not indefinitely postponed as he had wanted to do. Most likely, he was probably being encouraged by the French in the background because the French could read the writing on the wall that the youth led by people like Soen Corom and Fayet, they really want to remove

the French neocolonial imperial influence in Senegal, as is already occurring in other West African countries, in addition to the issue of the troops, which, by the way, is not very substantial, but still, of course, very influential. I think that about 350 are soldiers, but even that is one too many. In addition to that, they've also said,

Adesoji Iginla (19:43.374)
Can you set it to go? Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (20:03.054)
One, two, three, of course.

Milton Allimadi (20:07.576)
They want to have their own national currency. They do not want to any longer be a part of the CFE franc, which of course is linked to the French economy and to the French currency. To me, what I find most interesting here is that now we have this kind of agenda to remove neo -colonial French imperialism.

Adesoji Iginla (20:16.046)
Rest in.

Adesoji Iginla (20:34.926)
in. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (20:36.952)
are very aggressively being pursued in Mali and then Burkina Faso and then Niger. Some countries like Guinea, I don't think they can sit on the fence. There's going to be pressure on them to be more aggressive. Countries like Gabon, if there was a caretaker coup, I'm sure the younger generation are bubbling there.

So we could see more transition there. And then of course, another area which really needs to be shaken up is Cameroon. Yes, Cameroon where you have this 90 year old plus Paul Bia who lives in a penthouse, you know, hotel VIP penthouse and runs his country from there. Yeah, that's a country that...

Adesoji Iginla (21:15.886)
Adesoji Iginla (21:25.326)
Switzerland.

Milton Allimadi (21:35.192)
definitely needs to be shaken up. Absolutely. But he can keep that hotel room, provided he never comes back. But I'm fine with that, you see? So what they're doing in Senegal is just following the trend of what's happening in West Africa and happening in other parts of Africa in a different way. In Southern Africa, you have the youth.

Adesoji Iginla (21:35.438)
You sound very, you sound very jealous.

Milton Allimadi (22:04.408)
young people with Julius Malema in South Africa. In Uganda, you have, of course, Mwabiwai against the autocracy of Jevon Mwaseveni. And I think increasingly that's what we will see in Africa.

Adesoji Iginla (22:21.614)
Charming with what you're saying. Also in Gabon, where there was a similar style coup as to what transpired in Niger. Although the French didn't call that one a coup, but we all know why, because it was a case of musical chairs. Omar Bongo was beginning to dally with the Americans and it was becoming too...

what's the word, too close to the bone because were they to lose Gabon with its gas and oil reserves, manganese and also uranium, then it will have been a much more severe blow to their hegemony in... Yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course.

Milton Allimadi (23:12.824)
right but they'll lose it anyway there's nothing that they can stop right now it's like you know putting your finger you know licking them so to speak

Adesoji Iginla (23:20.366)
You

Milton Allimadi (23:23.64)
Yeah, it's too late. We're going to see some more changes over the next, you know, 12 months, 24 months, the next year or two.

Adesoji Iginla (23:30.862)
Yeah, so I mean, and also, again, it goes back to what you were talking about earlier with regards to the guerrilla journalism. The notion now is you need people on the ground who are aware of what the story is, have a historical background to set story and write long form instead of piecemeal. Because the thing about piecemeal is,

Once you throw out the story and people don't really have an understanding of the underlying reason for what they're witnessing, they get disillusioned. So, I mean, it would be interesting to write one long essay about the spate of coups between 1960 and 2023. And you will find a common thread through all of them.

if it's not in turn, most of them are not even internal politics. Most of them have been pushed from the outside, which is why you had that joke of a coup d 'etat in Congo, the DRC, because that was how it used to be when you had mercenaries coming from, you remember the guy, what's his name? Madhug O 'Hare. That's another, that's another mercenary.

Milton Allimadi (24:50.36)
Bob Bernard, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (24:54.904)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (24:56.238)
So those two, I mean, in the history of coups in Africa, were so notorious. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (25:02.264)
That's why I told you this guy was sleeping because he thought you could still do that type of thing where you come with 10 people, a few Europeans, and then, you know, yeah, that's it.

Adesoji Iginla (25:16.174)
Yeah, I mean, so I think it's high time that the narrative is told properly by not just the people on the ground, but people with a true vested interest. A couple of guys are doing what we're doing, but then we still need more hands because we're going up against corporate media. And corporate media have deep pockets, you know? You know?

Milton Allimadi (25:42.456)
Right. And they want to maintain the status quo. You know, when they call it, you know, in the New York Times, it first refers to the cool belt. You know, who belt? What does that really mean? You know, and sadly, many of our local media also adopt the language without understanding what is being said and the reason why it's being said and the purpose behind it, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (25:45.87)
Of course, of course, of course.

Adesoji Iginla (25:52.622)
DX. What does that mean?

Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (26:07.278)
Mm. Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (26:11.31)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (26:12.152)
Are you read? Yeah, some years ago a Ugandan journalist was writing about a court case.

And then he wrote about how, you know, when the suspect stepped to the court and he's trying to emulate some of these corporate Western media, you know, when he walked in, you know, his mood seemed sullen and he suddenly darkened. my God.

Adesoji Iginla (26:38.638)
be melodramatic.

Milton Allimadi (26:53.24)
You

I'm like, my brother, you've been reading.

Adesoji Iginla (26:58.494)
what too many David Copperfields and Charles Dickens.

Well, I mean, you know, there is no need for dramatics when news is involved. It's just the typical five questions. You know, what, why, who, why, how, and you know, and just keep it moving.

Milton Allimadi (27:12.952)
Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (27:21.336)
Yeah, but see, sadly, many of the people who educate our people are also themselves miseducated.

Adesoji Iginla (27:26.486)
Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (27:30.424)
So for example, if you go to what is supposedly the so -called one of the best journalism schools in the US, and you go to Columbia, and they're still taught about objectivity, right? What is objectivity? And we discussed this the other day. There's no such thing. It's complete nonsense, right? The objectivity is not the same thing to a European American.

It's not the same thing to an African American. It's not the same thing to an Asian American. It's just not. Right? I think you should strive to teach people to be as fair as possible. Be fair. Absolutely. And also when it comes to balance, I really wonder about that.

Adesoji Iginla (28:17.806)
Yeah, and be true to the facts.

Milton Allimadi (28:28.856)
If there's a notorious thief or bandit and the evidence is very clear, what is the importance of balance in a case like that? You know, giving the bandit equal time as well? I very much doubt there's any utility in that. So that's why it's actually very important what we do.

Adesoji Iginla (28:46.222)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (28:56.472)
You know, because the choice is almost in your hands. Plus, of course, once you get to the editors, you know, the editors, of course, those are the tyrants of journalism. But what you feed them also is important. And what you feed them, a lot of it is reflective of your own persona and values. Absolutely. You know?

Adesoji Iginla (29:05.294)
Everybody drop it up.

Adesoji Iginla (29:21.294)
values and value system. Yeah, yeah. Because what you have is, I mean, the next story, one of the stories we're going to delve into touches on that is also the notion that what is a good story? And who are we reporting to? Sometimes the audience also, you know, which is where history comes into play.

You know, what's the narrative we want to maintain? And then you have the stories put before us. Sometimes we're reading stories that are not meant for us, but we think they are because the headlines alone tells you, you know, you've just, you said the guy is reading out a script about what he is witnessing, but clearly not talking to his people.

He's talking to a foreign audience. And if he's not caught a check, he might not be there next week. So he plays to the gallery. He continues that performance. We then diffuse the point of journalism in itself, which is be true to the story, be true to the facts, and just put everything in front of people and let them decide, obviously within reason.

without going down the rabbit hole.

Milton Allimadi (30:51.832)
Absolutely. And I think...

Milton Allimadi (30:59.192)
You know, to be honest with you, many of my colleagues that I went to journalism school with, I'm in touch with only a handful. And those are the ones who have a broader perspective on life in general, you know, on issues. They have an interest beyond just, you know, journalism per se, because what is journalism after all?

if it does not combine history, if it does not combine some political orientation, if it does not combine some issue of equity, economic justice, right? If these things are of no concern to you, what type of journalists are you really, you see?

Adesoji Iginla (31:50.158)
media.

Milton Allimadi (31:51.96)
Well put, exactly, and that's the problem. And they call the others as alternative media.

Adesoji Iginla (32:01.838)
Media, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the irony. That is the irony. That's the irony. Projection is a real thing. Projection.

Milton Allimadi (32:04.568)
What a scam.

Milton Allimadi (32:09.72)
Yeah.

Yep, and it's so real that even the others start referring to themselves as alternative media.

Adesoji Iginla (32:17.102)
alternative media. I mean, it's yeah, you know, again,

Milton Allimadi (32:22.744)
You know, like my students, you know, when every semester somebody's going to bring it up and I put them to task. I think I told you this a couple of weeks ago, you know, different context. When they start talking about third world, I said, thank you, thank you for bringing that up. Now explain to us what third world means. Because then they realize the things that come to their mind are things that are uncomfortable.

Adesoji Iginla (32:42.606)
Oops.

Milton Allimadi (32:52.824)
to say, right?

Adesoji Iginla (32:54.222)
Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (32:57.24)
You know.

Adesoji Iginla (32:58.126)
No critical thinking.

Milton Allimadi (33:00.088)
Only when put to task like that, then they start understanding and analyzing that word.

Adesoji Iginla (33:07.854)
Yeah, third world.

Milton Allimadi (33:08.44)
You know, you may have, so somebody explain to us what this third world means. So in a class of 25, you may have 10 students with their hands up, and then you select one. Okay, so where they found these third world countries? Well, you know, Africa, okay. So they're not found in Europe. No, not really. Why they found in Africa? What?

characteristics. Well, you know, they're like, they're poor, like, okay, are they poor or are they impoverished?

Adesoji Iginla (33:47.502)
impoverished, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (33:49.656)
You realize the difference. You have the gold, the diamond, the oil and everything and yet you're quarter of what poor. Does that make sense? Or is something happening? Who is benefiting then? Then you see the hands start going down. Before they were 10. You see the hands one by one dropping because now every one of them is also thinking as the person I'm engaged with. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (33:55.438)
your poor.

Adesoji Iginla (34:12.398)
You just... Mm -hmm, mm -hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's the dust, the role of journalism anyway. It's, was it called again, the first draft of history, but, it's only true if there's an element of a sincerity there, which is be true to the story, be true to the value system. So which actually in terms of being true to our value system,

We go to the next story, which involves Kenya has been in this back and forth. Kenyan lawyers, to be exact, have been this back and forth with the government of William Ruto. William Ruto has promised, by extension, the United States.

that he will be providing them with 1 ,000 policemen to perform peacekeeping duties in Haiti.

So the issue now is the lawyers are thinking these policemen are not that they're not fit for purpose, but they see a double meaning in what they've been asked to do, which is they're being asked to hold the water for the imperialists. And the lawyers have challenged the issue.

Adesoji Iginla (35:52.334)
The court initially said an issue of reciprocity must be produced, which is you have to show how not only does it benefit Haiti, but how does it benefit the Kenyan police force? Ruto circumvented the idea and went ahead and gave what would be considered a performative

undertaken that they'd been done in the interest of professionalism and the Kenyan troops, the Kenyan police would be able to gain something. But these lawyers are not particularly pleased. And so they've gone back to court and now they're challenging the, what's it called, they're challenging the move again. And so,

It says, the news coming from Reuters says, Kenyan lawyers have moved to block the country's planned deployment of police to Haiti, a court filing showed. Days before the police were, the officers were expected to arrive in the Caribbean nation to tackle spiraling violence there. The court ordered the lawsuit be served to stop government officials and the case be heard on June 12 in a statement.

now here's the part that stood out to me responding to Haiti's appeal for assistance can you speak more to that when did Haiti make this appeal

Milton Allimadi (37:33.272)
Well, Haiti did make the appeal, but who is Haiti? Haiti, until March, was Ariel Henry, who was an unelected prime minister. Correct?

Adesoji Iginla (37:35.47)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (37:38.926)
Good question.

Adesoji Iginla (37:43.374)
Mm -hmm. Oreo, Oreo, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (37:51.834)
Yeah, correct.

Milton Allimadi (37:55.224)
So he was seen as aiding by the Western establishment. And he did make the appeal, possibly from instruction from the US, since it was because of US indulgence that he was remaining in office without a mandate as prime minister. You know?

So, but, so it's true that in order for Kenya to agree to deploy, there had to be in place, and as you said, a reciprocal agreement signed between the leaders of the two countries.

Adesoji Iginla (38:52.27)
Yep, Haiti and Kenya.

Milton Allimadi (38:54.808)
So since that did not exist, one of the lawyers name is O 'Cott. I remember we had a conversation with him some, a few months ago. And...

So they were able to block the initial attempt at deployment because no such agreement existed. So what President Ruto did was to go around and invite Henry to Kenya and they signed the reciprocal agreement. Obviously,

Adesoji Iginla (39:34.958)
agreement.

Milton Allimadi (39:40.056)
to get rid of the court issue. Otherwise, would you not normally sign such an agreement first before agreeing to deploy? Right, so that had never crossed their mind initially. So they did in response to the court matter which had blocked deployment. But there's another problem, and the story does not mention it, and that is also another example of this shoddy corporate media reporting.

Adesoji Iginla (39:48.942)
Choo choo choo choo.

Adesoji Iginla (40:09.23)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (40:10.168)
But my understanding is that.

that both leaders have to be legitimately elected.

Adesoji Iginla (40:19.086)
elected.

Milton Allimadi (40:22.872)
So, number one, Henry was not elected by anybody. So number two, Henry was not the legitimate prime minister of Haiti. So it's possible that the court will find that the agreement is not legitimate. And of course, soon after signing the agreement, Henry was not able to go back home to Haiti because barbecue and his...

Adesoji Iginla (40:41.614)
Adesoji Iginla (40:49.262)
So technically.

cool huts.

Milton Allimadi (40:53.592)
Yeah, they blocked his return. They seized control of the airport and Henrietta resigned. So the last official act, the two last official acts he did was to sign that agreement with Ruto and the second one was to resign as prime minister. So this is on paper the way things look right now. And I think that's what's going to be heard on June the 12th. However,

Adesoji Iginla (41:18.542)
in code, Jun12. Okay?

Milton Allimadi (41:22.008)
As you know, Ruto will be in the White House tomorrow.

on official state visits.

Adesoji Iginla (41:31.246)
big boys.

Milton Allimadi (41:33.144)
And I think since Biden came into office, this would be maybe only the sixth or seventh official visit by head of state, right? Not just passing by and then coming to greet, but this is an official where there'll be an official state dinner. All the carpets are rolled out with business, powerful business interests invited and all that. So it's what they call a firm handshake.

And that is tomorrow. So it seems to me it's going to be very difficult for Ruto and the U .S. not to get that way, either before June the 12th or on June the 12th. And what are some of the ways you can get your way?

Adesoji Iginla (42:05.806)
So Kenya is for sale.

Milton Allimadi (42:23.928)
the old fashioned system, money.

there's going to be a lot of money floating around.

Adesoji Iginla (42:31.182)
in

Milton Allimadi (42:32.888)
So right now it's not so, the money could be floating around to the extent that the Kenyan legislature.

Adesoji Iginla (42:38.414)
but is not being targeted at the moment.

Milton Allimadi (42:45.272)
could be encouraged to intervene. Money could be floating around that members of the court may not stand firmly together, okay? Because this is very high stakes. Routro cannot come out of the way to a White House visit, right? His reputation, the reputation, not so much his, but of the United States, you know, on the line.

Adesoji Iginla (42:55.47)
A gossip.

Mm, mm, yep, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (43:05.23)
his reputation. That's his reputation. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (43:17.112)
So I see some interesting things that may happen that may still allow the deployment to proceed. Or they may say...

Brutto and the Transitional Council, which is now in place in Haiti, may sign another agreement to circumvent that thing. So the court on June 12 may say Henri was not legitimate, but since the Transitional Council is recognized as the legitimate authority now,

Adesoji Iginla (43:41.998)
in Haiti. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (44:04.248)
in Haiti, if the government of Kenya signs another agreement with the transition authority, then the deployment can proceed. So there are a number of things that can happen. And that could also be said as a result of a lot of money floating around. And I hate to put it that way. I'm not suggesting at all that our judges, our officials are corrupt, but I'm suggesting that a lot of money is going to be offered. OK?

Adesoji Iginla (44:33.934)
So people will be changing their holiday locations this year.

Milton Allimadi (44:37.688)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (44:42.67)
If they're used to holidaying in Zanzibar, they probably would up the stakes and go to Mordiv's this time.

Milton Allimadi (44:46.296)
On the other hand, the judges may shock us and say, nope, we're sticking by the letter of the law, the Karmas, the period, the crosses. He signed an agreement with an illegitimate authority. Even the transitional council was not elected by the people of Haiti. So an agreement with them would also be illegitimate.

Adesoji Iginla (44:52.078)
Nope. Yeah, that's true.

Milton Allimadi (45:16.6)
the court could also take that stance. And I would be really impressed. But if they don't take that stance, I would not be shocked either. Let me put it that way.

Adesoji Iginla (45:25.87)
Okay, so it will be in line with what general expectation is. I mean...

Milton Allimadi (45:32.92)
Right. Because Ruto and the US might tell them, find a way to tell the court through public statements, could be public statements made to media so that you don't look like you're interfering with the work of judiciary. But you would make sure these are statements that, of course, they're going to be reading, promising $2, $3 billion investment in Kenya, this and that and that. So now you put the judges in opposition.

Adesoji Iginla (45:42.286)
Mm -hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (46:03.31)
Where they're going against the public.

Milton Allimadi (46:03.896)
for Kenyans to look at them and say, wait a minute, are you guys serious? Are you trying to block our piece of the party? So there are many ways to put pressure on them.

Adesoji Iginla (46:09.71)
Look at this load of cash here.

Adesoji Iginla (46:17.71)
ha ha ha

Okay. And speaking of putting pressure, apparently the press has not been able to do its work satisfactorily according to the Western media. They seem to believe that the cool belt as they refer to it, Mali, Burkina Faso,

Niger Republic have been sort of a black spot for them in terms of news. And suffice to say, they issued or rather wrote this very long lengthy statement in the course of the week, which is, I'll share, it's...

The military regimes have turned the Sahel into a black hole of information. In the central Sahel, and this is on the World Press Freedom Day. There's a whole raft of problems with that. In the central Sahel, journalists, reporters have seen their working conditions deteriorate since they were taken over by military hunters, international organizations, marking what press have found. OK? And Mali.

France has turned into information deserts of several world following the suspension and closures of dozen media outlets, including Radio France International, France 24, over the last, the past three years. The expulsion and non -issuance of visas or accreditation to foreign journalists, especially French journalists, is seen as a sign of the temptation of these regimes to rid themselves from

Adesoji Iginla (48:15.886)
a free press deemed incompatible with their principles. Over to you.

Milton Allimadi (48:25.816)
Well, I mean, obviously this story is very self -serving, but that's not to say that we don't have a major crisis in terms of the risk that our colleagues in journalism face. Not just in the Sahel zone, but throughout Africa, really. In Rwanda, for example, many journalists are kidnapped, killed. In Uganda, the same thing.

Adesoji Iginla (48:34.762)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (48:39.214)
Of course.

Adesoji Iginla (48:44.366)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Milton Allimadi (48:54.296)
took it during the last election. Absolutely. So for them to isolate it as something that's not happening because the military in charge, that's pure propaganda. And that's the sad thing about it. They take an issue, which is very serious, that needs much more attention on a regular basis and try to use it as cover just because they themselves are annoyed that, you know, French media are being kicked out of the region.

Adesoji Iginla (48:56.27)
and Cameron. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (49:23.832)
just like French military, French officials are being kicked out. So that's their beef, their personal beef. And now they use this as an excuse as another example of the kind of excesses that we see the military engage them as if the civilian government was any better. And then there's a reference in the story that...

I think it's five journalists have been killed, half a dozen or so kidnapped and all that since 2013. And they're hoping that many readers won't catch that. Since 2013, well, the military coups have just started in 2020.

You see? See another one of the tricks, you see? But as I said from the onset, this is not to diminish the deplorable conditions under which our colleagues in this profession have to operate to bring the stories. And that shows their level of dedication. Knowing the likelihood of being arrested, being beaten, being tortured, or even being killed is high.

And yet they're still engaged in this profession because they know the importance of information, the importance of people needing to know. Now here's what I say in reference to the military governments, right? And I won't call them military governments, just call them the governments. Because when I say military governments, some people get the impression that it means they're any worse than the civilian government.

Adesoji Iginla (51:06.83)
Yeah, governments.

Milton Allimadi (51:14.424)
you see, when in fact they seem to have adopted an agenda that civilian governments were not willing to undertake, particularly in Mali, in Burkina Faso, in Niger, which is to end French neocolonial dominance over their politics and over their economics. Correct?

I would remind them of Thomas Sankara because all of them, they're always invoking his name, correct?

Adesoji Iginla (51:47.726)
Yep. True. True. True.

Milton Allimadi (51:49.72)
And of course, Thomas Sankara's boots are very large. It's very difficult for any one of them to fit even into one of his boots, you see? But Thomas Sankara was very supportive of independent journalism. Remember when he was Minister of Information?

Adesoji Iginla (52:11.63)
Yep, yep.

Milton Allimadi (52:13.624)
in the previous governments before he actually became president. He was Minister of Information. And he charged journalists, he said, if you know of any minister, any senior official involved in corruption, print the story, put it on the radio, put it on national TV. Initially they did not because they thought it was a trap. You see? They thought it was a trap.

Adesoji Iginla (52:38.926)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because do everything. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (52:43.192)
because that's how the civilian government had operated. And this was a civilian government that it was the Minister of Information for. So he wanted to weed them out and have them arrested. But then they started dropping small stories of corruption and there was no retaliation. Bigger stories. And then they became aggressive going after corruption. This is Thomas Sankara, the same soldier.

Adesoji Iginla (53:01.518)
when they knew he was serious about it. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (53:12.952)
the same officer who then became head of state. In fact, you know where the pressure was coming from, right?

Adesoji Iginla (53:22.702)
What's coming from France? Yeah. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (53:23.096)
from his colleagues in government, other ministers, they're saying, wait a minute, Sankara, what are you doing? You're making us look bad to the people. He said, no, I'm not. You are. Stop stealing and there'll be no story about you. You see? So you can't say you want to emulate Sankara and just emulate aspects of Sankara that you find convenient to your agenda.

Adesoji Iginla (53:38.126)
There'll be no story about you.

Milton Allimadi (53:51.672)
So I'm going to believe into in adding these stories out, informing the people, educating the people, raising their consciousness. And that is why all of them are invoking his name today because of what he was made, a legacy was able to leave. So if you want to leave a similar legacy, it has to include.

not only tolerating, but actually promoting. He pushed them to do their work. So rather than harassing them, locking them up, and what have you, you should actually be promoting it. This is the new flowering that we need in Africa. I think our brothers in Senegal may have a better chance to do that.

They seem to be at a higher level of consciousness. So the rulers in Mali, Burkina, and Nijah, they should look very carefully. I think Senegal is meant to surprise us. Tremendous.

Adesoji Iginla (54:51.022)
Yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (54:55.534)
Ali Bukena Faso.

Adesoji Iginla (55:02.67)
Yeah, I think so. And also, just to add a side issue, there's an element to that story that was a bit, for me, hypocritical in the sense that that was the same week when Israel excused Al Jazeera from, what's it called, from its press duties in Tel Aviv.

Milton Allimadi (55:30.552)
Yeah, they were expelled. Yeah, they were banned. And only, what is it, yesterday, they seized equipment, AP equipment. And the White House has always said, we are concerned. That's the strongest language they ever used when it comes to we are concerned. no, actually, one time I saw very concerned.

Adesoji Iginla (55:31.854)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also...

Adesoji Iginla (55:40.782)
Yep, yep, yep. That was apparently he was being used to.

Adesoji Iginla (55:52.302)
Well considered.

Adesoji Iginla (55:56.174)
Well, that's, that's upping the ante, you know, you know, you can't use despots, you can use strong terminology.

Milton Allimadi (56:00.92)
From concern to very concern. We might even see very, very concerned. And then we might see extremely concerned.

Adesoji Iginla (56:11.022)
I mean, so again, if you juxtapose that story with the reporting of the encampments, how the story has been spawned out of, you know, you begin, you begin.

Milton Allimadi (56:28.088)
Thank you.

Thank you for that. Thank you for that. No, that's the best analogy. I'm glad you brought that up. You're destroying the hypocrisy, or rather adding it in a big and major way. That's the best example, actually. How compromised they were.

Adesoji Iginla (56:35.63)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (56:48.11)
Because I mean, I was, when I saw the story, I just started laughing. I'm like, this is Canon Father.

Milton Allimadi (56:56.152)
everybody according to some of these corporate media, everyone who was there protesting in favor of ending the war, in favor of a ceasefire, in favor of ending the genocide, was a Hamas supporter or anti -Semitic. Completely preposterous. And now you go lecturing to these folks in West Africa. You know?

Adesoji Iginla (57:06.382)
that

Adesoji Iginla (57:11.79)
support.

Adesoji Iginla (57:17.87)
I mean it's a -

Adesoji Iginla (57:23.246)
There you go.

Milton Allimadi (57:24.792)
You know the African saying, right? Yeah, where you want the baboon not to laugh at the rear end of another baboon, you know, because they can't see their own.

Adesoji Iginla (57:38.894)
You know, and it's laughable. It's laughable.

Milton Allimadi (57:43.928)
It's crazy. Look at the number of journalists that have been killed. Deliberately targeted by the Israeli authorities, you know? And you're still pretending that there's no genocide ongoing.

Adesoji Iginla (57:49.806)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (58:01.166)
I mean, which actually segues right into the next story, talk of targeted killing, extermination and what have you. In the course of the week, following the case brought by South Africa against the state of Israel, which regards to his actions in Gaza and by extension the West Bank, but focusing on Gaza.

the the ICC chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, you know, brought a case for arrest warrants to be issued to two leaders of the Israeli government and two leaders from Hamas, no, three leaders from the Israeli government and three from Hamas. Now, the question is, it wasn't so much as him announcing.

he was the pushback that came. And let him see it himself. There is Bermesekern. Where is he?

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:41.422)
Your thoughts, please.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:46.328)
No, actually I like what he did because this will probably, this will then put this core to test and it will either come out stronger or it would end this process. But here's the deal actually.

Many European countries, as you know, they relate much more so to the ICC as well as the ICJ. And the simple reason is that they saw and felt the destruction of World War II and World War I. The United States...

None of the battles was fought in continental United States of America.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:35.694)
states Yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:38.872)
So they have a rather detached view and perspective toward institutions such as the ICJ and ICC and really think, okay, we can just use this to bully people in African countries. And then when it's a European, like Putin, who does not sit on the table with us, we can also then...

use the court. We can use it politically, selectively, right? But you are not to touch anyone of our own.

So when she says, you know, Israel is a democracy, what does that really mean in substance? You know, what does it mean when one demented war criminal can be dropping fire on mostly women and children, destroy completely the infrastructure,

in Gaza, which is a war crime of course, let alone the killing of the human beings, depriving them of medical care and food, destroying hospitals, targeting journalists, targeting rescue workers. Think about that. Well, if that's a democracy, give me something else. I don't want that democracy.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:13.006)
Yep. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:20.088)
So even that comment by Amanpour is completely foolish and inappropriate in this kind of circumstance. So what was your point? That people in democracies do not commit war crimes?

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:25.838)
despotic.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:39.128)
you know, preposterous. And now there's another reason, of course, why the U .S. is being so behemoth in its, at least some of those senators mentioned, why they're being very harsh toward Karim Khan and the ICC. Because they also feel they, when they have another U .S.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:58.694)
The, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:08.6)
engagement of similar stature in a place like Afghanistan, a place like Iraq.

And were it not that they already have nuclear weapons, we could say Iran, right? Where down the line you could see a scenario where US political and military leaders might also face the possibility of indictment for war crimes. So that's essentially what they're saying.

By touching Israel, you're touching us.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:43.758)
in us. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:46.04)
And that's a no -go zone. You know, you can't bite the hand that feeds you. And that's why we'll block you from coming to our country. We'll starve resources, you know, from you. And a lot of these guys don't really, are not fully in tune with how the international community works. You know, Biden, of course,

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:58.158)
your resources.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:14.648)
I would not use similar language like that. He's been around the world and knows how the world operates as well and knows how important these institutions are to European countries. Who would continue to support them? More and more European countries are now recognizing the state of Palestine. And all they know is bullying and threats. Bullying is threats.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:38.666)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:44.952)
You know, was it, with three countries, European, Norway, Spain, recognized today. And Israel is going around saying, we'll never forget this. This isn't the end of it. Some preposterous threats like that. So what, you're going to start bombing them too?

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:48.686)
It was Ireland, Norway and Spain today.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:06.2)
So we are living in very interesting times, very interesting times. And a lot of this, of course, goes back to South Africa. And South Africa, when it filed that lawsuit at the International Court of Justice on December 29, 2023, it started a lot of the process. It inspired even larger sized global protest, you know, because they're hearing.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:32.718)
Yep, yep.

echoes of the past.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:36.28)
and the court case was beamed all over the world. And they made a case for genocide very strongly, you know, with some of the brilliant lawyers on display, you know? Yeah, and it really changed the momentum. The size of the protests became larger. Others were inspired to step forward, including students. Now we see a wave of this recognition.

Things will never go backward again. Netanyahu is history. The Minister of Defense, history.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:07.726)
Of course, of course not, of course not, of course.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:17.45)
Hmm. Got on.

Milton Allimadi (01:09:18.904)
You know?

even within Israel, you see the size of the protests against Netanyahu himself. They're realizing that this cannot be the solution, not the solution that Netanyahu is advocating and opposed to a Palestinian state. In fact, emboldened Hamas, he empowered Hamas, just like the U .S. empowered the mujahideen in Afghanistan, right?

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:21.518)
Amen.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:33.006)
I mean, he's in -

Yeah, I mean, easy and new. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:46.638)
Yep. Back in the eighties. Yeah. In the eighties. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:09:50.936)
and then empowered Al -Qaeda, when the common enemy was still the Soviet Union. But once that ended,

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:53.422)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:56.878)
Hmm.

You're going into history now.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:01.368)
No, really. And once that ended, you know, they started looking for other targets, including the United States, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:11.054)
And for those who want in -depth element of that history, you could read Unholy Wars by John K. Cooley. Unholy Wars by John K. Cooley. It goes, basically, it's borrowing off the CIA archives. And the guy does a brilliant expose. So the book again is Unholy Wars by John K. Cooley.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:40.152)
Yeah, you know, today I gave, you know, because as you know, I teach at John Jay College. And this semester I also taught one class at Queens College, which is also part of the City University of New York system. So through the years, my students have said wonderful things, either during the semester or at the end.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:45.486)
Mm -hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:03.)
Today, the last young lady who finished her exam and handed her exam in is a professor. I cannot tell you how grateful I am that I was your student this semester. Last night.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:18.606)
Bless.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:22.456)
I got in an argument with my family members. This is a European American who are completely clueless when it comes to African history. I had to correct them several times. And I quoted from some of the assignments from this semester. I even pulled out my phone because I have my notes there and I quoted from that. Because when they were talking all this nonsense before I really started challenging because normally I don't challenge.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:45.422)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:52.184)
family, but I just couldn't stand it anymore. I kept telling myself, and this is what she said, I kept telling myself, what would Professor Alimari say? And then I just couldn't stop myself anymore. Man, the young lady almost made me cry. I said, go out and spread the word, and that is the purpose of learning and education, not just academic.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:53.102)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:14.23)
That once you know, you can't, you can't unknow. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:12:18.264)
I told her this was the best story I've heard and I hope you keep challenging other people when you hear them talking nonsense.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:25.422)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the notion that in this day and age, when Google is your friend, you've got streams, you've got rims and rims of books that have been written about the subject in which you're interested. And yet, to do the basic thing, which is even open the book and just look at the book of contents, and then decide whether it's one for you or not. People don't do that. But

Who was it that said, there was something somebody, one of my friends posted. Yeah, he said people would argue to defend their ignorance to the point of.

Milton Allimadi (01:13:08.344)
Absolutely. It's just amazing.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:10.894)
I said, wow, that is wild. That is wild. Again, thank you very much for coming through. And it's a...

Milton Allimadi (01:13:21.336)
it's my pleasure, Conrad. I mean, it's the greatest thing you can have is, you know, impart some analysis, you know, some education while enjoying yourself while doing it too. It can't get any better than that, you know? So it's always my pleasure. I'm at your beck and call. And let's continue the conversation.

Adesoji Iginla (01:13:38.766)
Yeah, of course, of course, of course. I mean, you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. And as we'll see on this side of the fence, it's been brilliant. And again, thank you for coming through. And until next week, when we return with some other stories, good night. Enjoy the rest of your week.

Milton Allimadi (01:14:08.792)
Alotta continua. Alotta continua.